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ROVE'S REMARKS
The Washington Times ^ | 06/25/05 | Editorial

Posted on 06/24/2005 9:50:10 PM PDT by smoothsailing

Rove's remarks

Published June 25, 2005

Liberals woke up yesterday morning wondering what happened to their Democratic Party. Literally overnight, the Democrats had become the President's staunchest supporters in the war on terror. As much as we welcome the party's change of heart, we were surprised to see that it was precipitated by the architect himself, Karl Rove.     

The White House Deputy Chief of Staff, speaking at a dinner Wednesday night of the New York State Conservative Party, had a few words on "state of liberalism." In particular, Mr. Rove compared the conservative reaction to September 11 to the liberal reaction. "Conservatives saw the attacks and prepared for war," he said. "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." Pretty much sums up the last four years for us. Michael Moore, George Soros and MoveOn.org would certainly agree.    

  Democrats, however, are outraged. Taking the comments personally, six Democrats fired off a letter to President Bush asking for Mr. Rove's apology. Sen. John Kerry -- who last year promised to wage a "more sensitive" war on terror -- sent an e-mail to supporters asking them to sign a petition admonishing Mr. Rove for his "purposeful attack on the patriotism of those who dare ask the tough questions." Apparently, Democrats are just as determined to wage a war against terror as Republicans. Who knew? They might have a point if Mr. Rove had directed his remarks specifically at Democrats.

Five of the six signatories of the letter did vote for war against Afghanistan; four against Iraq. Wiser Democrats clearly understand that the American people don't trust their party when it comes to national defense. There's no mystery why future presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: darthvader; karlrove; rove; usetheforceluke

1 posted on 06/24/2005 9:50:10 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
THANK YOU for linking to the Printer Friendly version of the article.

Those of us trapped in 56K dialup HELL really appreciate it!

2 posted on 06/24/2005 9:55:50 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: smoothsailing
Excellent read :-)

The Democrats are suckers, Rove suckered them in and the Liberals on the SCOTUS have frightened almost every property owner in America with their recent decision on Property rights. The American people are beginning to see what the MSM has been hiding from them for years, and I'm quite sure they don't like what they see!

3 posted on 06/24/2005 9:58:05 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: smoothsailing

Brilliant editorial...

simply BRILLIANT!


4 posted on 06/24/2005 9:58:27 PM PDT by Jackson Brown
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To: smoothsailing
Best part of the article is the very end:
Democrats should reread Mr. Rove's comments and realize that he was in fact diagnosing their problem. Instead, they have decided to act like hypocrites. Well played, Mr. Rove.
Good on you, Karl!!
5 posted on 06/24/2005 10:00:12 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: smoothsailing

Wesley Pruden stands tall. Shoots straight and speaks the truth!

It's amazing how quickly the Dems snapped back. Must be a new record for embarrassing Knee Jerk Reactions.

Jack.


6 posted on 06/24/2005 10:01:16 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: smoothsailing
Well played, Mr. Rove.

Well played, indeed.

7 posted on 06/24/2005 10:09:50 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: upchuck
LOL! We share the same limits.I'm using an old 56k dialup Webtv. ;)
8 posted on 06/24/2005 10:12:06 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: smoothsailing

That was a master stroke of "strategery" by Karl Rove. Calling out democrats by addressing them as they are, "liberals". The prime suspect Karl was addressing "Hillary" fell right into his trap instantly morphing from self-declared moderate back to "liberal" and screaming the loudest defending her fellow liberals. They don't call Karl the architect for nothing. The run up to '08 will be fun to watch as Karl undoubtedly has many more tricks up his sleeve.


9 posted on 06/24/2005 10:23:05 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: smoothsailing
Rove said what everyone knows, even those who hate him.

Anyone doubting that this sucker hit the bullseye only has to see the uncharacteristic jittery response HRC gave--she seemed ready to lose it.

And would someone please tell John Kerry that the "questioning our patriotism" thing no longer fools anyone?

10 posted on 06/24/2005 10:25:21 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Don't suffer fools gladly? I don't suffer them at all.)
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To: smoothsailing
56k is the absolute pits! But, living out in the country is nice. Too bad we'll probably never have DSL or cable out here :)

I checked out satellite but it's damned expensive (around $80/month for just internet) and I've read and heard there is an annoying delay.

Oh, well....

11 posted on 06/24/2005 10:33:38 PM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: smoothsailing

gotcha!
The whole thing is that now, the Dem's can't criticize
the president cause it makes Rove look right. and if
they don't criticize the president, it makes their
looney base of left wing sycophants mad(and isolated)...
He's making them do a big balancing act.....they like
running the show...

P.S. have you noticed that the media always acts like
what they say or uncovered is the truth, and that
the whole issue was decided by them (no matter what
the issue is)


12 posted on 06/24/2005 10:34:02 PM PDT by Getready ((...Fear not ...))
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To: Darkwolf377
">"And would someone please tell John Kerry that the "questioning our patriotism" thing no longer fools anyone?"

We all now know where loyalties the Dimwit senator DirtbagbenDurben are. The cooperation (silence/coverup) of the rest of the Dims told US where their allegiances lay also!

JoKe we DO NOT question your patriotism AT ALL. We now know to whom you pledge allegiance.

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged."
---- Abraham Lincoln


Apology NOT ACCEPTED Saboteur

13 posted on 06/24/2005 10:37:28 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black send it back." Homer's guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: Darkwolf377
I saw the Hillary bit,and you're right. She was trembling, she knew the jig was up and she was helpless to undo it.

It had me in stiches!

14 posted on 06/24/2005 10:44:37 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: Getready
I think the media is as desperate as the dems.It's fun to watch them both pretend they are in charge.

LOONEYTOONS !!!

15 posted on 06/24/2005 10:49:18 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: MJY1288
It is a good read, probably Pruden. His style is usually easy to spot, even though the editorials in the Times are unattributed.

I bet the Posties hate this paper! LOL!

16 posted on 06/24/2005 11:04:01 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: dc-zoo

Not to mention that all of these slurs against the military and voting Americans will make great campaign ads against the Dims.


17 posted on 06/24/2005 11:06:48 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Do something nice for a Gitmo detainee: buy him a pit bull, for his cell.)
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To: upchuck

Now watch what you say, they'll be calling you a radical
A liberal
A fanatical criminal

--Supertramp


18 posted on 06/25/2005 1:05:58 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: dc-zoo

These days there are probably more Liberal Republicans than Conservative Democrats (Zell Miller...anybody else?) as the Dim party moves left.

Recent news events have led more and more sensible Dems to defect to the GOP (or "independent" status). "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me."--Ronald Reagan. Thus all who are left are liberals. Heard Jay Severin (on his WTKK show) mention yesterday "if you had a room full of Independents and asked them if they used to be a Republican, no hands will go up. If you ask them if they used to be a Democrat, everyone will raise their hands."

With some notable exceptions like Zell, Dems are libs. And Shrillary masquerading as "middle of the road" is just a charade. (Notice how quick she came to the defense of
her fellow libs?)


19 posted on 06/25/2005 1:13:01 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Paul Atreides

>>slurs against the military

2000: They didn't want soldiers' votes to be counted. "Oh but we support the troops"


20 posted on 06/25/2005 1:14:14 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

Won't you sign up your name,
we'd like to feel you're acceptable,
respectable,
presentable,
a vegetable!

Sure sounds like the RATS to me :)

Gotta love Supertramp!


21 posted on 06/25/2005 1:21:43 AM PDT by upchuck (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: smoothsailing
Image building aside, the reality is that the Democrats have embraced the "Michael Moore wing" of their party. Earlier this year, MoveOn.org invited the Senate's top Democrats -- Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, Mrs. Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Dick Durbin and Charles Schumer -- to a rally. Last summer, the Democratic National Committee sat Mr. Moore right beside former President Jimmy Carter during the party's convention in Boston. And, lest we forget, it elected Howard Dean to be the party's chairman.

This is the side of the Democratic Party Americans see. Democrats should reread Mr. Rove's comments and realize that he was in fact diagnosing their problem. Instead, they have decided to act like hypocrites. Well played, Mr. Rove.

22 posted on 06/25/2005 1:35:03 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: upchuck

Once again it's Breakfast in America!


23 posted on 06/25/2005 2:16:53 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Why can I never think of a tagline?)
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To: MJY1288

"The Democrats are suckers, Rove suckered them in and the Liberals on the SCOTUS have frightened almost every property owner in America with their recent decision on Property rights. The American people are beginning to see what the MSM has been hiding from them for years, and I'm quite sure they don't like what they see!"

Just wait until everyone gets the NEW mandated "American Community Survey" from the US Census Dept. We have already had to comply with it..I have written my Senators concerning the very intrusive questions on this one..The IRS does not ask for nearly as much..They are only sending out 200,000 a month so it will be hard to get a real negative response at any one time for such a small segment of the population. They claim the information will be private and will be used only to decide which states get funds but any thinking, informed, concerned about freedom, American, will see red flags all over the place on this one..If you are interested in the questions asked go the the US Census site and take a look at it. I would be interested to know whether others felt as we did..


24 posted on 06/25/2005 2:37:20 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Paul Atreides; raccoonradio

So true.. that's why Karl's move was such a stroke of genius.


25 posted on 06/25/2005 3:03:25 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: upchuck

Just think back to when a PC or the internet was not even in the picture and be grateful.


26 posted on 06/25/2005 4:14:22 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: smoothsailing

RATZ are so translucent and predictable aren't they?


27 posted on 06/25/2005 4:35:15 AM PDT by SPOTTEDOWL (Not dumb enough to be a dimocRAT!)
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To: jazzlite
Thanks for the headsup...Here's what I found


A New Approach for Timely Information

The American Community Survey (ACS) is a new nationwide survey designed to provide communities a fresh look at how they are changing. It is intended to eliminate the need for the long form in the 2010 Census. The ACS will collect information from U.S. households similar to what was collected on the Census 2000 long form, such as income, commute time to work, home value, veteran status, and other important data. As with the official U.S. census, information about individuals will remain confidential.

Three Million Households to be Surveyed

The ACS will collect and produce population and housing information every year instead of every ten years. About three million households will be surveyed each year. Collecting data every year will reduce the cost of the official decennial census, and will provide more up-to-date information throughout the decade about trends in the U.S. population at the local community level. A similar program is planned for Puerto Rico.

Expanding Local Coverage

The ACS began in 1996 and has expanded each subsequent year. Data currently are available for 800 local areas, including 241 counties, 206 congressional districts, most metropolitan areas of 250,000 population or more, all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

The Census Bureau plans to conduct the ACS in every county of the U.S., contacting the residents of three million housing units. Within three years, data should be available for all areas of 20,000 or more. For small areas less than 20,000, it will take five years to accumulate a large enough sample to provide estimates with accuracy similar to the decennial census.

28 posted on 06/25/2005 4:46:58 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Rove to apologize for the truth? NOT Today)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
Dang-it..... Here's the website
29 posted on 06/25/2005 4:49:16 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Rove to apologize for the truth? NOT Today)
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To: upchuck

It's getting cheaper. http://pages.bmi.net/Satellite.cfm


30 posted on 06/25/2005 5:41:01 AM PDT by Misplaced Texan
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To: smoothsailing
Apparently, Democrats are just as determined to wage a war against terror as THEY ARE TO WAGE WAR AGAINST Republicans. /amendment of sentence
31 posted on 06/25/2005 7:27:32 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: Darkwolf377
And would someone please tell John Kerry that the "questioning our patriotism" thing no longer fools anyone?

"It is not their patriotism--it is their judgment that is sorely lacking." -Zell Miller, Democrat, at 2004 Republican National Convention

"He speaks often of his service in Vietnam, and we honor him for it. (applause) But there is a record of nearly thirty years since."--Vice President Dick Cheney, at 2004 Republican National Convention

32 posted on 06/25/2005 7:32:28 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: smoothsailing
And something else about the marriage between MoveOn.orgie and the Democrats...when FraudNHype was preparing to open last summer, who was given a "free" screening??

The DNC and Democratic Congressional Leaders!

33 posted on 06/25/2005 7:34:42 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
We DO NOT question your patriotism AT ALL. We now know to whom you pledge allegiance.

That is the BUMP quote of the morning! And I might add, we've known it for quite some time.

34 posted on 06/25/2005 7:36:27 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: smoothsailing

"Democrats, however, are outraged. Taking the comments personally..."

Man, that is so true! My moonbat BIL is all over this one like a chicken on a June Bug. He's demanding reparations from Rove; though nothing more from Durbin than that half-@ssed "apology." *Rolleyes*

If I contradict him at all (eventhough he ASKS for my opinion) I am always "attacking" him and calling him names, which I never do.

Yep. Mental disease. Paranoia. I see it more and more each day, and very clearly now with my BIL.


35 posted on 06/25/2005 7:38:56 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: kcvl
Image building aside, the reality is that the Democrats have embraced the "Michael Moore wing" of their party. Earlier this year, MoveOn.org invited the Senate's top Democrats -- Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, Mrs. Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Dick Durbin and Charles Schumer -- to a rally. Last summer, the Democratic National Committee sat Mr. Moore right beside former President Jimmy Carter during the party's convention in Boston. And, lest we forget, it elected Howard Dean to be the party's chairman.

ping to post #33...

One more important one...and actually, there's one that I forgot...how many of the DemCritters, on the day that Botoxer and the one from the House of Nonrepresentatives challgengd the Ohio electoral count, got up and thanked MICHAEL MOORE for the idea to waste the public's time by challenging a forgone conclusion?

And they wonder why they keep losing elections...I swear I ought to write that book...

36 posted on 06/25/2005 7:41:39 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: Darkwolf377

"And would someone please tell John Kerry that the "questioning our patriotism" thing no longer fools anyone?"

You can tell him all day long and he still won't get it. This is what I love the most about liberals. They are impervious to the truth.


37 posted on 06/25/2005 7:50:22 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Announcing you plans is a good way to hear God laugh. Al Swearengen, 1877óDeadwood)
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To: SPOTTEDOWL
"RATZ are so translucent and predictable aren't they?"

Yeah, it takes the sport out of it.

Let's just pretend they're extremely delicate and overly sensitive creatures.That way they get to pretend we're mean when we make them cry. ;)

38 posted on 06/25/2005 9:06:17 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
LOL!

As much as I hate to admit it, I have a cousin like that. We all still love her, but nothing will ever change her.

39 posted on 06/25/2005 9:17:22 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: upchuck

We had satellite (Direct) for 4-5 years for about $70/mo for both tv and internet. It was great compared to the alternative. Downside was a little rainstorm would knock out the service.


40 posted on 06/25/2005 9:25:22 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: MJY1288

It's called rope-a-dope!

And .. after Durbin's little stunt .. this was the perfect comeback. According to the President's brother, Marvin, the gloves have come off.

The RNC sent out a special email showing that everything Rove said was true - and as usual it named names, gave dates and places where, by who, and when the statements were made.

And .. Rove used the term LIBERALS - not democrats. The stupid dims didn't catch on - and now they have been exposed for the America-haters they are.


41 posted on 06/25/2005 10:06:29 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: smoothsailing

Good to see republican political elites "standing" with one of their own for a change instead of running for the tall grass the way they usually do.


42 posted on 06/25/2005 1:39:12 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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