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Clintons Join Billy Graham for Final Revival - (BARF ALERT!)
FOX NEWS.COM ^ | JUNE 25, 2005 | A/P

Posted on 06/25/2005 8:37:08 PM PDT by CHARLITE

As his final American revival meeting continued Saturday, a fragile Billy Graham (search) was met onstage by former President Clinton, who honored the evangelist, calling him "a man I love."

Clinton spoke briefly before Graham's sermon and recalled how the man known as America's pastor had refused to preach before a segregated audience in Arkansas decades ago when that state was in a bitter fight over school desegregation.

"I was just a little boy and I'll never forget it," said Clinton, who was joined by his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (search). "I've loved him ever since. God bless you, friend."

Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

Graham, 86, then launched into a short sermon that was interupted by applause five times. Organizers estimated 80,000 people had come to the crusade at Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens — about 20,000 more than the opening night Friday. The rally ends Sunday.

The evangelist is suffering from fluid on the brain, prostate cancer and Parkinson's disease. He uses the walker due to a pelvic fracture and is largely confined to his home in Montreat, N.C. He had said previously that the rally "will be the last in America, I'm sure."

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To: CHARLITE

"Graham has preached to more than 210 million people in 185 countries. He has been sought out by U.S. presidents and leaders worldwide and, more than any other religious figure, has come to represent the American evangelical movement."

He's been doing this for over 50 years.

Simply an incredible CHRISTIAN!

He's a worldwide treasure.


51 posted on 06/25/2005 9:16:44 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: plain talk
"I'll bet Clinton could do a great Jimmy Swaggert. They do have some things in common."

HILARIOUS!......and quite in keeping with a FReeper bearing the name "plaintalk!"

BRAVO! Well said! It's funny. "Clinton & Swaggert" would make a great travelling red light road show act.

Thanks for your witty comment!

Char :)

52 posted on 06/25/2005 9:17:40 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: andie74

When BG goes to heaven, someday soon, I believe he will be admired there too.


53 posted on 06/25/2005 9:17:51 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: CHARLITE

Those people would have tried to upstage Christ Himself on the day of His resurrection.


54 posted on 06/25/2005 9:18:19 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: nmh
Oh, BG for sure. But wouldn't you like to be a fly on the pearly gates when BC meets St. Peter and tries to lie his way into heaven?
55 posted on 06/25/2005 9:20:19 PM PDT by andie74 ("No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent." -- John Jay)
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To: BibChr
"What a shameful, sad end to a ministry that started with such fire and promise."

You're right. It really was a shameful thing to do. If Billy Graham has lost a few of his marbles, you would at least THINK that his son, Franklin, might have steered dear old dad away from hosting these reprobates on "his" stage. What an utterly dreadful message that sent. What an embarrassing way to end his evangelizing career.

He should have quit while he was ahead, because I really believe that a lot of evangelicals are going to be very upset about this.

Thanks for your comments.

Char :)

56 posted on 06/25/2005 9:22:14 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: sweetliberty
Those people would have tried to upstage Christ Himself on the day of His resurrection.

"Well, heh heh, JC, it's like this...when I was a little boy in Hope, Arkansas, I knew that you'd be coming back for me. Then I remember telling my wife about you, and we both dedicated our lives, our very beings, to making this world a better place. For the little people. 'Cause I know how you LOVE the little people."

Geez, I am making myself sick.

57 posted on 06/25/2005 9:23:34 PM PDT by andie74 ("No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent." -- John Jay)
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To: Paul Atreides; cyborg
Graham's technique has always been to sidestep politics and current polarizing issues. I knew Graham had invited the Clintons to this Crusade, but I didn't know it would be to this extent.

I think Graham was being a gentleman, but I think he should have left the politics out of it, as he has during the preceding years.

58 posted on 06/25/2005 9:23:45 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: andie74
Ole Bill is still as dysfunctional as ever. He might be "saved" but not a good example. He had an opportunity to make a positive difference and blew it. I wondered when BG sought him out, Bill, if he was trying to have him finish his life as a better example. No doubt Bill has charisma. Bill could still make a positive difference because of who he was. Till you take your last breathe - you can turn around and serve Him. Having said all that, I'm still diametrically opposed to ole Bill's political ideology etc..

Old Bill might very well believe in God but doesn't allow Him to direct his life. There are allot of folks out there like that - carries around a Bible, goes to church on Sunday but M-Sat. doesn't live it in any way shape or form.
59 posted on 06/25/2005 9:24:49 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: andie74

LOL!


60 posted on 06/25/2005 9:25:03 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: Hank Rearden; Millicent_Hornswaggle
It is as Millicent says: "Bill and Hill, hypocrisy at it's finest.
61 posted on 06/25/2005 9:26:29 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE; Mia T

Man, you were not kidding when you posted the barf alert. This is un-friggin believable. Of course, I've looked sideways at Billy Graham longer than I have at Billy Jeff. If Graham had his head screwed on, he'd never have allowed the king and queen of hell to share his podium. But what the heck - he's got movie star status today. I hope all of the butt-kissing politicos that use him to rub a little Jesus will stand up for him when he's called to give a few answers...in what looks to be a very short time.


62 posted on 06/25/2005 9:29:57 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (NEW and IMPROVED: Now with 100% more Tyrannical Tendencies and Dictator Envy!)
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To: nmh

I agree with you. Seeing Bill come to true repentance would probably mean that he would quit trying to manipulate the public's opinion of him through phony stunts.

As far as Bill being saved, I seem to recall something about "by their fruits, you will know them." If Bill started confessing his sin publicly and taking whatever consequences (including jail time for raping women) that might come his way, I'd consider him a changed man and praise God.

Even if Billy and Franklin Graham WERE reaching out to him, would you do so privately? I would. I wouldn't give Clinton the stage that he so clearly loves to act phony to people for his own gain.

These revivals are supposed to be about Jesus, not about the Clintons staging their next political manuever, hoping to get some red state sympathy.


63 posted on 06/25/2005 9:31:11 PM PDT by andie74 ("No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent." -- John Jay)
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To: andie74
Nah ... I've got a few skeletons of my own - things I'm not proud of.

I had the advantage of NOT coming from a dysfunctional family, nor willing to do anything for fame or fortune. Having said that, I still don't walk on water.

I believe that all will bend their knee to Him. Of those that are in heaven there will be favorites. Not all will have the same status. God sees through us. If Bill slips in, he won't have the stature he has on this earth. I'm sure BG will do well in heaven. He has been faithful. No scandals. No cheating on his wife. No money scandals etc.. BG has really lead a clean life and so humbly.
64 posted on 06/25/2005 9:31:33 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: This Just In

lol


65 posted on 06/25/2005 9:34:12 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: nmh

Honey, the fact that you admit those skeletons is positive and shows the fruit of repentance.

Not sure about the favorites deal, though. God isn't a respecter of persons; He died for everyone's sins and was raised for everyone's justification. All sin is worthy of death, but because of the sacrifice of Jesus, we are all cleansed. Top to bottom. All wrongs made right.

I'm not proud of my crap either, but I know that I am forgiven.


66 posted on 06/25/2005 9:35:35 PM PDT by andie74 ("No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent." -- John Jay)
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To: CHARLITE

Another thing to keep in mind about BG is that he has been a confident to Demoncrats and Republicans. He really can't show his partiality. One thing I can assure you is that it is VERY unlikely that he voted for old Bill. It simply wouldn't fit within his Christian beliefs.


67 posted on 06/25/2005 9:35:44 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
"If Graham had his head screwed on, he'd never have allowed the king and queen of hell to share his podium."



68 posted on 06/25/2005 9:37:07 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: andie74
Don't be too sure that he doesn't have His favorites ... John was His "beloved disciple". Enoch and Elisha did NOT experience a physical death. Notice later in Revelation where depending on things ... it's easy to see how the 12 disciples and certain folks in the Old Testament will be helping Him rule heaven.

He loves ALL but sum have served Him better than others while on this earth. They will be rewarded accordingly otherwise He would not be a just God.
69 posted on 06/25/2005 9:39:29 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: CHARLITE

I believe Christ would have had a few pointed words for lying scum that pretend to be religious like the krintons. Going further back, I'll bet it'd be legal to stone them to death for one violation of the law or another. Too bad aging seems to destroy the spine and cajones as well as the brain in some folks.


70 posted on 06/25/2005 9:44:25 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (NEW and IMPROVED: Now with 100% more Tyrannical Tendencies and Dictator Envy!)
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To: CHARLITE; MeekOneGOP; devolve; potlatch; Salem; F15Eagle; Boazo; Grampa Dave; dennisw; SJackson; ...
What a desecration of abomination standing in the holy place!

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As his final American revival meeting continued Saturday, a fragile Billy Graham was met onstage by former President Clinton, who honored the evangelist, calling him "a man I love."

72 posted on 06/25/2005 9:45:09 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: CHARLITE
It is very much my honest opinion that alot of elderly people make the stupidest comments of their lives during the last one or two years here on earth. I think Mr. Graham has joined that unfortunate club.
73 posted on 06/25/2005 9:45:45 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: JennysCool

Graham called the Clintons ... "a great couple"

"He's a great serial adulterer and, my gosh, what a stunning power-drooling succubus she is!"

Just providing translation..



sad but true bump


75 posted on 06/25/2005 9:48:10 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Paul Atreides

Look the man is in his 80's, suffering three illnesses and trying once again to spread the gospel in New York.

And, you complain because he was kind instead of hateful, vengeful, rude.

The fact the Clinton's took advantage of the opportunity - does not mean Billy Graham is at fault.

Give the man a break.


76 posted on 06/25/2005 9:49:06 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Life is a God-given inalienable right to all Americans - not just the chosen ones.)
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To: Happy2BMe
If it wasn't for out of respect for Billy Graham, I'd post something naughty about Bubba. So, I'll do my good deed for today and pass.
77 posted on 06/25/2005 9:49:29 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: BibChr

Billy Graham lived his life as Billy Graham felt the Lord wanted him to.

Of course he made mistakes as he is human - but that man gave his heart and soul trying to do the Lord's will.

And, because of how he lived his life, he is respected over all the world. He is a minister - not a politician. He does not seek to judge man, he seeks to bring the gospel to men.


78 posted on 06/25/2005 9:51:15 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Life is a God-given inalienable right to all Americans - not just the chosen ones.)
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To: Blurblogger

Sad but true indeed, dammit.


79 posted on 06/25/2005 9:53:08 PM PDT by JennysCool (In a perfect world, where everything is equal, I own the film rights and am working on the sequel)
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To: ClancyJ

Show me where I said that he should have been hateful, vengeful, or rude. All I said was that he should have just said "It was nice of you to be here." and left it at that.


80 posted on 06/25/2005 9:57:34 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (Do something nice for a Gitmo detainee: buy him a pit bull, for his cell.)
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To: CHARLITE

I would bet money that the Clintons very cleverly contacted the Crusade at the last minute, making it virtually impossible for anyone in the Graham camp to say 'no'. The Clintons are master craftsmen at this kind of stunt. Then add to this the fact that Billy is 86 years old and probably a little spacy and it unfolded just the way Bubba and Hildebeast wanted.

Question is: Why aren't the Republicans and Dubya this smart?


81 posted on 06/25/2005 10:05:06 PM PDT by hardworking (Support equal rights for gays and lesbians - put Hitlery in the White House!)
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To: Paul Atreides

I agree that is what I wished he had said. But, we have to admit that people do get dementia and fame does not prevent the disease.

We need to broach what we do when dementia hits Supreme Court justices.


82 posted on 06/25/2005 10:05:55 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Life is a God-given inalienable right to all Americans - not just the chosen ones.)
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To: Smartass; Happy2BMe; Blurblogger
"I'd post something naughty about Bubba."

Try this link. ("Bloody Bill Clinton; American Caligula")

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=14


83 posted on 06/25/2005 10:21:37 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

Did Bill and Hillary get 'saved' tonight? Confessions? Tears or repentence?


84 posted on 06/25/2005 10:26:23 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: nmh

When Billy Graham visited Rochester, NY in the late eighties, there were no photo ops for politicians. He didn't need to do that in NYC. In the past, the guests he invited on stage added a genuine Christian testimony. Somehow, I doubt he invited any of the bunch in NYC, but was too polite to turn them down. Pity.


85 posted on 06/25/2005 10:28:47 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: CHARLITE

Leave Larry Flynt out of this.

86 posted on 06/25/2005 10:30:28 PM PDT by RichInOC (Larry Flynt Needs A Little KFC.)
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To: CHARLITE
Clinton spoke briefly before Graham's sermon and recalled how the man known as America's pastor had refused to preach before a segregated audience in Arkansas decades ago when that state was in a bitter fight over school desegregation. "I was just a little boy and I'll never forget it," said Clinton...

I lived in Arkansas when he was governor, and have a pretty good understanding of who he REALLY is. Jughead was lying through his teeth, some aid found that story when asked to do background research after the Clintons decided to call and get themselves invited.

Graham called the Clintons "wonderful friends" and "a great couple," quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

I'm certain that Graham was only trying to be nice and polite, to spread goodwill, and trying to reach out to the widest audience possible so as to spread the gospel. Thus I'm sure he thought that being nice to the Clintons, who many New Yorkers DO like and voted for, would aid in that cause. He's probably right. But at what point does politeness and kindness cross the line into enabling and excusing repeated patterns of sinful behavior? We can look at the bible and see that Jesus did throw the moneychangers out of the temple, and Paul wasn't afraid to talk straight with leaders. I can't see either allowing themselves to be used for a photo op. Jesus did dined with tax collectors and the woman at the well, hence I can uderstand Graham allowing them onstage, but he would have done much better to remember how Jesus ended his conversation at the well, "Go and sin no more." Wouldn't have to be done onstage, but effusive praise as if they weren't continuing in their sinful behaviors, words, and deeds seems to be the easy way out, and ultimately destructive. Remember how Solomon got too lost in the comforts of wealth, fame, and celebrity. Sure, render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's, and Jesus didn't come to establish an earthly kingdom, but I also don't recall reading where Jesus invited Herod in front of the crowd and then proclaimed "What a great friend to children" Herod was.

87 posted on 06/25/2005 10:30:37 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: nmh

After Graham had finished speaking, did Bill or Hillary mutter, "Almost persuaded?"


88 posted on 06/25/2005 10:32:50 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: vger

Posting an image with profanity is probably not the best idea in a thread about Billy Graham's religious revival meeting.


89 posted on 06/25/2005 10:36:57 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: mhking
Not only JD, but also Just Damnable.
90 posted on 06/25/2005 10:45:34 PM PDT by steveegg (Only to a MARXIST is a VOTE considered a POWER GRAB. (thanks Seaplaner))
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To: RichInOC
"Leave Larry Flynt out of this."

.......now that you mention it, it's hilarious. It DOES look like Larry Flynt. I'll be darned!

Thanks for the laugh, RichInOC!

Char :)

91 posted on 06/25/2005 10:47:29 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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Graham....quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow "his wife to run the country."

Hmmm, some of this might make sense, if a herd of newly possessed pigs were seen running into the sea immediately before the event.

92 posted on 06/25/2005 10:48:32 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: CHARLITE
THANKS FOR     THE PING

93 posted on 06/25/2005 10:55:51 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass
OKIE DOKIE!
94 posted on 06/25/2005 10:57:21 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: Zack Nguyen

Rick Warren and his church band launching into the Jimi Hendrix song Purple Haze at his stadium rally, or this?
Did that seriously happen?

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With Rick Warren, I would not be suprised.


95 posted on 06/25/2005 11:00:13 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: nmh

Of course Schummer spoke

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What was that antiChristian smuck doing there? I wouldnt care if he was there. We all need Christ - but between that man, Biden and Hillary - every single thing Christians stand for would be ripped apart at the seems and we would begin to see the outright oppression of Christians in this nation. We already see that oppression in the selection process which he is part of.


96 posted on 06/25/2005 11:02:41 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: CHARLITE

They're really not getting away with it.


97 posted on 06/26/2005 12:23:48 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: angelsonmyside

"waiting for lightening to strike"


I was hoping for it.


98 posted on 06/26/2005 12:24:47 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Paul Atreides

He said the same thing about witnessing all those burning churches .. except he was lying .. as usual.


99 posted on 06/26/2005 12:27:22 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Zack Nguyen
Yes, Rick Warren and the Saddleback band sang the Jimi Hendrix song when launching his "Global Peace Plan" bacause he wanted to play rock star.
100 posted on 06/26/2005 12:28:59 AM PDT by spycatcher
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