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Hagel sounds alarm over Iraq
Omaha World-Herald ^

Posted on 06/26/2005 5:54:23 AM PDT by hipaatwo

GRAND ISLAND, Neb. - More than 200 Nebraska American Legion members, who have seen war and conflict themselves, fell quiet here Saturday as Sen. Chuck Hagel bluntly explained why he believes that the United States is losing the war in Iraq.

Sen. Chuck Hagel addresses more than 200 Nebraska American Legion members in Grand Island on Saturday.

It took 20 minutes, but it boiled down to this:

The Bush team sent in too few troops to fight the war leading to today's chaos and rising deaths of Americans and Iraqis. Terrorists are "pouring in" to Iraq.

Basic living standards are worse than a year ago in Iraq. Civil war is perilously close to erupting there. Allies aren't helping much. The American public is losing its trust in President Bush's handling of the conflict.

And Hagel's deep fear is that it will all plunge into another Vietnam debacle, prompting Congress to force another abrupt pullout as it did in 1975.

"What we don't want to happen is for this to end up another Vietnam," Hagel told the legionnaires, "because the consequences would be catastrophic."

It would be far worse than Vietnam, says Hagel, a twice-wounded veteran of that conflict, which killed 58,000 Americans.

Failure in Iraq could lead to many more American deaths, disrupt U.S. oil supplies, damage the Middle East peace effort, spread terrorism and harm America's stature worldwide, Hagel said.

That's what keeps him on edge these days.

That's why he is again the most outspoken Republican in Congress about Iraq. His view that America is losing in Iraq, which first aired in a newsmagazine last week, prompted rebukes from conservatives such as talk show host Rush Limbaugh, concerns from others in his party and praise from anti-war advocates on the Internet.

But Saturday, he was unrepentant.

"The point is, we're going to have to make some changes or we will lose, we will lose in Iraq," he told the legionnaires.

At the same time, he said, he wants President Bush to win, and he believes that the United States cannot pull out anytime soon.

The legionnaires gave him a standing ovation at the end of his speech. Carl Marks of Omaha, a Korean War veteran, said: "It sounds like he's conflicted . . . like a lot of us."

Bennie Navratil of Hallam, Neb., whose son left last week for military duty in Afghanistan, said, "I feel he said the right thing: that we can't pull out and something's got to change."

Aboard a plane back to Omaha, Hagel was asked whether he thought Bush was aware that adjustments might be needed in his Iraq policy.

"I don't know," Hagel said.

The whole Iraqi situation makes him sick to his stomach, he said.

"It has tormented me, torn me more than any one thing," he said with a grim look on his face. "To see what these guys in Iraq are having to go through and knowing what I know here: that we didn't prepare for it, we didn't understand what we were getting into. And to put those guys in those positions, it makes me so angry."

He lays part of the blame on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who argued before the war that he needed only 150,000 American troops in Iraq. That caused more casualties than were needed, Hagel said.

"We still don't have enough troops," he said. "We should have had double or triple the number."

It has led to a bleak situation, Hagel said:

Insurgent attacks are more frequent than a year ago. Bombs used by insurgents are growing more deadly, piercing America's best protective clothing and equipment. Oil production is down. Electricity is less available than a year ago. Economic development is lagging. Ninety percent of the humanitarian and economic aid pledged by 60 nations hasn't reached Iraq because of the continuing violence. Only one Middle Eastern country has an ambassador in Iraq.

Bush has said America is fighting in Iraq with a "coalition of the willing," allies who have committed a relatively small number of troops and aid.

Hagel scoffed at that idea. "It's a joke to say there's a coalition of the willing," he said, adding that many are pulling out and the United States is fronting the bills for those who remain.

Meanwhile, U.S. troops are under severe strain. Troops are stationed in more than 100 countries, and their rapid tempo of deployments with little time off leaves them fatigued and in danger of making mistakes.

"We are destroying the finest military in the history of mankind, and the (National) Guard, too," he said. "We're stretching our Army to the breaking point."

Public pronouncements from the Bush administration also have gotten under Hagel's skin. Vice President Dick Cheney's recent comments that the insurgents in Iraq are in "the last throes" echo a refrain of the Vietnam era, he said.

Back then, officials saw "the light at the end of the tunnel" in Vietnam, Hagel said.

Toting up all those points, he said, leads him to conclude that the United States is losing in Iraq.

"That doesn't mean we have to lose," he said.

In his speech and in an interview, Hagel offered some ideas that he thinks could help in Iraq:

U.S. troops and others could work harder to train local militias in small Iraqi towns to help identify and take on insurgents. Allies who don't want to enter Iraq could help patrol its borders, blocking terrorists from entering the war-torn country. The training of Iraq's military and military police should be accelerated immediately.

Middle Eastern nations should become more engaged, he said, but it doesn't help when administration officials criticize Egypt and Saudi Arabia for not moving quickly enough toward democratic practices.

Hagel said he shaped his views after many talks recently with senior U.S. military officials; foreign policy experts; Brent Scowcroft, who was the first President Bush's national security adviser; and others. He plans to share his views with the current president and his team and says he feels an urgency he hopes they will share.

The United States has only about six more months to begin to turn things around in Iraq, he said.

"I believe that there can be a good outcome in Iraq," he said. "I also believe there could be a very bad outcome for Iraq. I believe we have a very limited time for that good outcome."


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1 posted on 06/26/2005 5:54:24 AM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

Oh great.

Maybe he can run as an independent in 08 as the VP to McCain.


2 posted on 06/26/2005 6:01:44 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: hipaatwo

Than why did he vote FOR the war to begin with? They all had a a choice and they gave President Bush carte-blanche. Including the dims.


3 posted on 06/26/2005 6:02:14 AM PDT by stopem
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To: stopem

Kinda sounds like I voted for it before I was against it sort of thing, doesn't it?


4 posted on 06/26/2005 6:03:31 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: hipaatwo

Thank ypu, Senator Hagel but I will trust Secretaty Rumsfield and the officers of our military to decide what and when we need to win in Iraq.
I rememberr too well the last time Washington made military decisions.


5 posted on 06/26/2005 6:03:34 AM PDT by jch10
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To: hipaatwo
This man has offered NOTHING in the way of a new plan. He repeats the same thing everyone has said before. More troops, We have to get other nations to help us (How Senator?), we have to "train the Iraqi's faster" (they have to be trained adequately, Senator, not "faster". How fast they learn is mostly up to the Iraqi's if we can assume that those training them are professionals.

This creep is just another politician looking to cover his ass because he's planning a run for president.
6 posted on 06/26/2005 6:04:55 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: hipaatwo
He lays part of the blame on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who argued before the war that he needed only 150,000 American troops in Iraq. That caused more casualties than were needed, Hagel said.

If the Generals wanted more troops, they would have gotten more troops.
This limp wristed POS should just keep his mouth shut, if he is only giving
his feelings as an example. It appears his next election cycle is in 2010. Lets not forget.

7 posted on 06/26/2005 6:05:09 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Rove to apologize for the truth? NOT Today)
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To: hipaatwo
The whole Iraqi situation makes him sick to his stomach, he said.

Hagel's comments are making me sick to my stomach. What a RINO. Feeding the leftist-media-panic-the-sky-is-falling-we're-in-a-quagmire flames.

This is just more of the same B.S. I see on the news.

8 posted on 06/26/2005 6:06:48 AM PDT by Allegra (But It's A Dry Heat...)
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To: hipaatwo

Yes Hagel listened to Brent Scowcroft, who chummied up to Beijing right after Tianamen Square in 1989, who did not want to finish off Sadaam in 1991, who was more afraid of what would happen if the USSR broke up than he was of the USSR, and who insisted on Bush doing nothing in the Balkans.

Yes Hagel listened to the one "Republican" "adviser" who had always advised doing nothing.

Hagel's complaints based on Hagel's predictions of what will happen in Iraq are nothing other than setting his own marker on a "see I told you so" pointl, knowing that if he is wrong no one will remember he was wrong; because he was just trying to sound a "concern".

His "we did not send in enough troops to start with mantra" is right out of the Dims playbook, and he knows it.


9 posted on 06/26/2005 6:06:51 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: hipaatwo

If Hagel is so worried, then why is he mouthing off in public--thereby helping the very folks who WANT us to lose the Iraq war--the Democrats and the rest of the anti-war (actually anti-America) leftists.


10 posted on 06/26/2005 6:07:16 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: hipaatwo

Again, I ask.

How do the "deficiencies" that Sen. Hagel cites, translate into "losing" in Iraq? These incidents do present difficulties, true, but nobody EVER said winning would be an easy walk in the park. Should the US wind down and depart from Iraq prematurely, the situation in Cambodia, as that tormented land was turned into a vast killing field by Pol Pot, will seem almost pastoral in comparison.

Now is not the time to go wobbly, Chuck.


11 posted on 06/26/2005 6:07:38 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: hipaatwo

And to think people actually voted for this sniveling twit.


12 posted on 06/26/2005 6:08:19 AM PDT by Modok
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To: hipaatwo

With due respect, Senator, none of your suggestions are worth a tin fart.
I respect Hagel's service, but he's clearly got "Vietnam syndrome" and he's being even less constructive than Medea Benjamin.


13 posted on 06/26/2005 6:09:30 AM PDT by RedRover (Fight the Wussification of America.)
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To: hipaatwo

Hagel found out that being a "Ckicken Little" gets a lot of press.


14 posted on 06/26/2005 6:10:04 AM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.")
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To: hipaatwo

More troops = more targets for Saudi scumbags.

Thanks for your input Chuck. We'll get back to you.


15 posted on 06/26/2005 6:10:25 AM PDT by SBprone
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To: hipaatwo
U.S. troops and others could work harder to train local militias in small Iraqi towns to help identify and take on insurgents. Allies who don't want to enter Iraq could help patrol its borders, blocking terrorists from entering the war-torn country. The training of Iraq's military and military police should be accelerated immediately.

Middle Eastern nations should become more engaged, he said....

Ummm, aren't we already doing all of that...?

...but it doesn't help when administration officials criticize Egypt and Saudi Arabia for not moving quickly enough toward democratic practices.

And if 43 kept silent, you'd damn him for that, wouldn't you, Chuckie?

Gad, what a poseur.

16 posted on 06/26/2005 6:11:32 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: hipaatwo
Same but higher degree of propaganda from MSM, Democrats & RINOS like Hagel. Iraq has going WELL. We are on a political time line in Iraq & its going on schedule. However, if Americans don't have the staying power in Iraq, then we have lost WWIII with Islam. We can not cut & run like we did in Vietnam.
17 posted on 06/26/2005 6:11:42 AM PDT by Skip1
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To: hipaatwo
It's Amazing how they do this.

First it was "Bush wants to restart the draft!". That stupid trick didn't work because it was obvious he never said that.

So next they said

over here: and then over here:
(let's start the draft) See! They are calling for the draft!
Which was still stupid because there was obviously no need for more troops so now they:
over here: and then over here:
(we need more troops) See! We need to restart the draft!

18 posted on 06/26/2005 6:11:50 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Modok
And to think people actually voted for this sniveling twit.

As a Nebraskan, I wish to apologize to everyone in the world for Chuck Hagel. Just another reason I vote Libertarian.

19 posted on 06/26/2005 6:15:08 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: hipaatwo
"We are destroying the finest military in the history of mankind, and the (National) Guard, too,"

Can't be much of a military that is destroyed by losing 1,750 men. This guy's as bad as Durbin. Overheated and ridiculous.

20 posted on 06/26/2005 6:15:29 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: hipaatwo

While I can't stand Hagel (a McCain wannabe), I agree that we probably sent too few troops into Iraq.

The way this conflict is Vietnam like is that we are focused on not losing instead of winning. If we really want to win the WOT, we will probably have to institute a draft and raise the number of troops back to mid-80s levels.

It was a huge missed opportunity when, post 9/11, Bush urged people to "go shopping" instead of enlisting. It also didn't help that Rumsfeld wanted to keep the force small because (a) he wanted to free up resources for Modernization and (b) he believed the Army force structure was obsolete.

Fighting the war the way we are now is like trying to fight WWII with a 1930s force structure. Before all this is said and done, we'll probably need to occupy a large swath of the Middle East. Syria and Iran, definitely. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, perhaps. It would also help if we'd stop going soft on pseudo terrorist regimes (e.g., the PA, Hammas, and Hezbollah in Lebanon).


21 posted on 06/26/2005 6:15:38 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: hipaatwo
Hagel has learned well what works for McPain.

He makes me want to puke.

"Grim face"?

A drama queen as well.

Leni

22 posted on 06/26/2005 6:16:11 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Florida Freepers: Check out the Florida Forum. Click the Florida Flag on Your Profile Page)
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To: hipaatwo
More than 200 Nebraska American Legion members, who have seen war and conflict themselves, fell quiet here Saturday as Sen. Chuck Hagel bluntly explained why he believes that the United States is losing the war in Iraq.

Sen. Chuck Hagel addresses more than 200 Nebraska American Legion members in Grand Island on Saturday.

The American Legion members should have brought duct tape for his mouth. I'm sure this will be on terrorist TV in no time. How could they sit there silently while this clown is encouraging our enemies?

23 posted on 06/26/2005 6:17:36 AM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: hipaatwo

Lstening to little men in high places is torture.


24 posted on 06/26/2005 6:19:42 AM PDT by stevem
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To: alloysteel

You may ask, but all you have to do is actually read the article. He does not advocate "wind[ing] down and depart[ing] from Iraq prematurely." Quite the opposite.


25 posted on 06/26/2005 6:20:01 AM PDT by jammer
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To: rbg81

I disagree.


26 posted on 06/26/2005 6:20:15 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: hipaatwo
Hagel's just using the FN John "How to form a policy" process -

Step 1: Stand in the breeze of a CBSNBCABC/CNN/NYT/WP poll
Step 2: Stick your finger into the wind
Step 3: Determine your opinion
Step 4: Find a platform to spew your deep cogitations
Step 5: In the event of a negative response feign outrage and dare anyone to question your patriotism

The best way to end war and ensure peace is to kill the enemy.

27 posted on 06/26/2005 6:20:16 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: Modok

He sounded a lot different when he was home stumping for election. There has to be something in the DC water that turns these guys into what they become.


28 posted on 06/26/2005 6:20:58 AM PDT by Vor Lady (waves hand slowly,"This is not the tagline you're looking for!")
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To: hipaatwo
Hagel sounds alarm over provides more encouragement for our enemies in Iraq
29 posted on 06/26/2005 6:22:00 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: SIDENET
Hagel found out that being a "Ckicken Little" gets a lot of press.

Anything that undermines the US gets a lot of press.

30 posted on 06/26/2005 6:22:22 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: hipaatwo
Vice President Cheney, a man whom I admire and respect as much as any living American, has expressed an entirely different view, the insurgents are "in their last throes." His assessment has been confirmed by Porter Goss, the Director of the CIA and a man also worthy of great respect, especially when he speaks within his area of responsibility and in a manner which leaves him little wiggle room if things go wrong.

There is no middle ground here, Cheney and Hagel cannot both be right. One must be wrong. But which?

One thing I know: We cannot find the truth of the matter, except by accident, by weighing the left or right wing tendencies of the advocates. A real democracy must decide matters of destiny not by resort to personality but by examination of the facts.

I have not read any replies to this thread yet, but I can bet that several have committed the sin which I warn against. Hagel might well be wrong, but he is not wrong, or even suspect because he is a RINO.

Let those who would persuade us to one side of another do so with facts.

Meanwhile, no matter what the consensus on Hagel's view of the war, no one is likely to argue with his prescription which offers commonsense if not new thinking:

U.S. troops and others could work harder to train local militias in small Iraqi towns to help identify and take on insurgents. Allies who don't want to enter Iraq could help patrol its borders, blocking terrorists from entering the war-torn country. The training of Iraq's military and military police should be accelerated immediately.

I would certainly add to this that we must bring the leaders in Iraq, not excluding the clergy, to accept that they have a stake in its stability and the success of the new government. Therefore, they should see to it that Iraqis themselves fight to preserve that stake and even their own lives.


31 posted on 06/26/2005 6:23:08 AM PDT by nathanbedford
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To: hipaatwo

Why do I get the feeling that Hagel has a girlfriend who opposes the war in Iraq?


32 posted on 06/26/2005 6:23:11 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Campaign slogan....

Vote for Hagel the Hack

33 posted on 06/26/2005 6:25:44 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: hipaatwo

Hagel, you dumb son of a bitch, the terrorists are pouring into Iraq, and we're killing 'em. They are not coming here to kill us. Why didn't those damn terrorist crash one of their planes into the congress (in full session).


34 posted on 06/26/2005 6:27:24 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Trteamer

The report seems to indicate that he was well received in his comments. I. too, have heard many former military (Korea era) talk about not sending in enough troops. They are not oppoed to the effort, they just believe a greater force would be better in the long run. When I read of the high numbers of people coming in from other countries, I often wonder if more troops would not help to seal the border areas to prevent the influx from continuing. However, I am not military, so I don't know how I can judge these things except by hoping and praying that those in charge are not making a mistake on any of these issues.


35 posted on 06/26/2005 6:28:17 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: rbg81

I guess you never heard of a date of September 17, 1862 and a place called Antietam where 3600 were killed and now you want to declare defeat, reinstitute the draft, and reorganize the military. We have not seen the full face of the WOT yet, and some like you are already running for the hills.


36 posted on 06/26/2005 6:30:15 AM PDT by Modok
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To: LachlanMinnesota
Meanwhile, U.S. troops are under severe strain. Troops are stationed in more than 100 countries, and their rapid tempo of deployments with little time off leaves them fatigued and in danger of making mistakes.

Why are we still in 100 countries?

37 posted on 06/26/2005 6:31:33 AM PDT by listenhillary (Socialists have only killed 100 million. We'll never learn will we?)
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To: jch10

The Senator served in Vietnam and should really understand the propaganda better than most; the propaganda that was at the forefront then is what is happening now. Hagel should get behind his President and the fighting men and women - as it is he is helping lose the war in Iraq, not helping to win it. Hagel is playing right into the enemy’s hands.


38 posted on 06/26/2005 6:32:57 AM PDT by yoe (Friends don't let Friends read the New York Times...........................)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

Well...I have to disagree with you on the troop numbers issue. Rumsfeld cut the original troop lists and retired any General who disagreed with him. There is love for the President, but Rumsfeld has lost his lustre for most of the officer corps.


39 posted on 06/26/2005 6:33:32 AM PDT by eatdust
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To: rbg81

bingo


40 posted on 06/26/2005 6:34:59 AM PDT by eatdust
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To: hipaatwo

Carl Marks? What were his parents thinking?


41 posted on 06/26/2005 6:35:13 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (whats wrong with a draft?)
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To: avg_freeper

Love it. You've pegged them perfectly. ;-)


42 posted on 06/26/2005 6:36:24 AM PDT by Allegra (But It's A Dry Heat...)
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To: rbg81

Mandatory military service?


43 posted on 06/26/2005 6:36:41 AM PDT by listenhillary (Socialists have only killed 100 million. We'll never learn will we?)
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To: hipaatwo
Hey Chuck, can't you read?!!!!

We had the Vietnam War won after the Tet Offensive.

In his memoirs, the North Vietnam general leading the enemy, admitted that they were ready to seek peace, but the anti-war fervor of the left in America gave them new hope.

Why do I see a similar thing happening here?

Why do a certain brand of Americans always want defeat?

What happened to the real America!?

Imagine the world peace if Republicans and Democrats would be on the same side just once!!

The fear alone would send the enemies scrambling for caves.

Alas, for as long as many defeatists as well as the likes of Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy, two self-loathing sub-humans, infest the halls of Congress, America will always fight the war with one hand tied behind her back.

44 posted on 06/26/2005 6:38:02 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: hipaatwo
We could stop the insurgents by keeping the president's word about going after nations that aid and abet terrorists. Syria can always funnel terrorists to attack Americans. They can always arm them for this low level violence. Everyone knows it. But we do nothing while good Americans die. Assad plays us for a fool.
Where is the anger? He kills in Lebanon and uses proxies to kill us in Iraq.
45 posted on 06/26/2005 6:40:44 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Typing from an undisclosed location.)
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To: hipaatwo
Hagel lost any attention I'd might have paid him when he got to "triple". That would be 450,000 American troops plus over 100,000 others.

That's a Viet Nam size operation.

The target here, Iraq, is open terrain, with only 26,000,000 people compared to Viet Nam's 83,000,000.

The density of Coalition troops to natives would be more than 3 times that of the Viet Nam War.

Add to this the fact that more modern weapons are far more effective than those in use in the 1960s, odds are we could have reduced Iraq to being little more than 3 inches tall, totally depopulated, and having all of our forces being required to sleep outdoors, in tents, without access to electric power.

Does Hagel know what he's talking about? I feel terribly uncomfortable having a Senator thoughtlessly advocate what amounts to genocide.

46 posted on 06/26/2005 6:41:36 AM PDT by muawiyah (q)
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To: stopem

Somebody find those stats, I'm scrambling around trying to find them. When the vote was held as I recall, there was ONE who voted against going to war, who was the one coward? We seemed to have forgotten about that haven't we!


47 posted on 06/26/2005 6:43:12 AM PDT by brushcop (We lift up 1LT Noah Harris & Cpl Wm. Long in prayer who gave unselfishly so that others may be free)
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To: Wonder Warthog
f Hagel is so worried, then why is he mouthing off in public--thereby helping the very folks who WANT us to lose the Iraq war--the Democrats and the rest of the anti-war (actually anti-America) leftists.

Well stated. Hagel is another damn traitor. He is purposely and directly giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Hagel and his advisers should be hanging from a lamppost. It is directly because of weak mean like Hagel that their sissy fear of another Vietnam will turn into a self-fullfilling prophesy. These bast*rds know exactly what they are doing -- being traitors. If they would just shut the hell up, everything would be fine. All these disgusting pols are putting our brave Warriors' lives at risk.

Bush needs to now realize that there is indeed a second dangerous front to the WOT. It is with the enemy within. The President needs to have a team focused on repudiating these liars the second they open their mouths. It is utterly shameful, the actions of the left and the weak RINOs. If anyone spends any time on the Iraqi blogs they would clearly realize we are NOT losing and that things are moving along as well as expected. For the safety of our brave Warriors the likes of Hagel will soon need to be sent to God.

48 posted on 06/26/2005 6:43:38 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: SIDENET
I was thinking Chicken Little too.

Chicken Benedict Arnold Little!!

Chuck Hagel, a covetous John McCain wannabee, who thinks nothing of aiding and abetting our enemy with dangerous, "the sky is falling" rhetoric, in order to promote himself into national prominence. He seems oblivious to the fact that his words encourage our enemies.

49 posted on 06/26/2005 6:44:56 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@I Want To Slap Him.com)
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To: iconoclast

Here's a ready audience for your views on the war in Iraq.


50 posted on 06/26/2005 6:47:34 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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