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Spielberg thriller leaves Israeli spies in the cold
Reuters ^

Posted on 06/26/2005 8:42:53 AM PDT by TheOtherOne

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Steven Spielberg, famed for Hollywood blockbusters, is keeping mum about his latest project, a dramatization of tit-for-tat killings that followed the 1972 massacre of Israeli Olympic athletes by Palestinian guerrillas.

Such is the secrecy that even the Israeli spymasters who commanded the reprisals after the Munich Games have been left out in the cold.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1972olynpics; blackseptember; israel; israelm; massacre; mossad; moviereview; munich; pa; palestinians; plo; spielberg; stevenspielberg; terrorism

1 posted on 06/26/2005 8:42:54 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: Alouette

But Zvi Zamir, who headed Mossad in the 1970s, broke his silence after "Vengeance," purporting to be an expose based on the confessions of a Mossad ex-assassin, was first published.

According to the book, Israel largely abandoned its agents mid-mission in Europe, where several were hunted down and killed by Palestinian counter-espionage teams -- an account not borne out by news reports nor the protocols of the Norwegian trial.

Zamir told the New York Times in 1984 that the version of events in "Vengeance" was "not true" but did not elaborate. While standing by his source, Jonas admitted that "certain details of the story were incapable of being verified."


2 posted on 06/26/2005 8:44:07 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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"the protocols of the Norwegian trial"

What an odd choice of words.

3 posted on 06/26/2005 8:44:41 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: TheOtherOne
Another hit piece?
4 posted on 06/26/2005 9:09:29 AM PDT by dts32041 ( Dear Senator Durbin, I am not an Illinois Nazi. (US ARMY RET))
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A Jovial Cad; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; adam_az; af_vet_rr; agrace; ahayes; ...
tit-for-tat killings that followed the 1972 massacre of Israeli Olympic athletes by Palestinian guerrillas.

Does that mean it shows Israelis killing Palestinian athletes participating in international sporting events?

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5 posted on 06/26/2005 9:12:32 AM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: TheOtherOne

If true, appalling. But it's hard to know what the truth is at this point.


6 posted on 06/26/2005 9:16:28 AM PDT by veronica (Mimes and clowns are weird...)
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To: Alouette
From www.reuters.com:
FEATURE - Spielberg thriller leaves Israeli spies in the cold
Sat Jun 25, 2005 09:40 PM ET

By Dan Williams

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Steven Spielberg, famed for Hollywood blockbusters, is keeping mum about his latest project, a dramatisation of tit-for-tat killings that followed the 1972 massacre of Israeli Olympic athletes by Palestinian guerrillas.

Such is the secrecy that even the Israeli spymasters who commanded the reprisals after the Munich Games have been left out in the cold.

Five retired Mossad agents, all of whom served in key intelligence posts during the hunt for Palestinian guerrilla chiefs in Europe and the Middle East to avenge the slaying of Israel's 11 sportsmen, voiced surprise at hearing of the film.

"I know nothing at all about this project," a former Mossad director who declined to be named told Reuters.

Entertainment reports say the film, provisionally titled "Vengeance" and due to reach cinemas in December, is based on a book of the same name whose account of one of the most painful chapters in Jewish history has been widely discredited.

Spielberg spokesman Marvin Levy said the project had been comprehensively researched.

"This film has been built from many, many sources. One thing I can say is we expect this to be a balanced film," he said.

Best known in Israel for "Schindler's List", a Holocaust epic that ends with a pro-Zionist message, Spielberg was quoted as saying in a USA Today interview last week that the new film was a chance to explore his Jewish faith and fear of terrorism.

In the preface to "Vengeance", author George Jonas declares himself a supporter of Israel. But according to at least one member of Spielberg's cast, Daniel Craig, the screenplay is a less-than-flattering portrayal of Israeli tactics.

"It's about how vengeance doesn't ... work -- blood breeds blood," Craig told entertainment magazine Empire.

THIRTY YEARS OF SILENCE

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's office, which oversees Mossad and its archives, said it had received no request for assistance from any film production on Munich or its aftermath.

It was not clear if help would have been forthcoming.

Israel has never formally claimed responsibility for the shootings, explosive booby-traps and cross-border commando raids that killed 10 Palestinians linked to Black September, the group that carried out the deadly attack in Munich's Olympic Village.

The campaign included the 1973 slaying in Norway of a Moroccan waiter mistaken for Black September's leader. Six members of the Israeli hit team were prosecuted for murder. Israel eventually paid compensation to the victim's family.

"That whole period is too sensitive, even 30 years on," said an ex-deputy Mossad chief. "No one really wants to discuss it."

But Zvi Zamir, who headed Mossad in the 1970s, broke his silence after "Vengeance", purporting to be an expose based on the confessions of a Mossad ex-assassin, was first published.

According to the book, Israel largely abandoned its agents mid-mission in Europe, where several were hunted down and killed by Palestinian counter-espionage teams -- an account not borne out by news reports nor the protocols of the Norwegian trial.

Zamir told the New York Times in 1984 that the version of events in "Vengeance" was "not true" but did not elaborate. While standing by his source, Jonas admitted that "certain details of the story were incapable of being verified".

Jonas's agent Linda McKnight told the Wall Street Journal last year that Universal Pictures, which is co-producing the film with Spielberg's Dreamworks, had exercised an option to make a movie based on the book.


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7 posted on 06/26/2005 9:23:15 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: Alouette; TheOtherOne

Wasn't this done as a movie already? I saw it once, the title was something like "The Sword of Gideon"? I saw it not too long after 9/11 so you know I was cheering those guys on more than I'd normally be.

And that Swedish fellow, who was held hostage with that Aussie has said he will do this same things to the jihadis who held them captive.

Me, I'd prefer a public execution, but if this is the only workable alternative, I'll take it.


8 posted on 06/26/2005 9:24:23 AM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: RonDog; Alouette; IAF ThunderPilot; All

COOL rack ittt


9 posted on 06/26/2005 9:40:41 AM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: TheOtherOne

It will be interesting to see what position this film takes on Israel.

Thus far my impression is that Spielberg, although outspoken on many of the dear causes of leftists, has steered clear of one of their dearest, demonizing Israel.

I wonder if any of the film was filmed in Israel?


10 posted on 06/26/2005 9:43:42 AM PDT by dervish (multilateralism is the lowest common denominator)
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To: TheOtherOne

11 posted on 06/26/2005 9:53:08 AM PDT by austinmark (Torture? Koran abuse? I'd Rather Be A Koran In Gitmo THAN A Bible in Saudi Arabia !!!)
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To: RonDog
"This film has been built from many, many sources. One thing I can say is we expect this to be a balanced film," he said.

Exqueeze me!? What's to balance?!

12 posted on 06/26/2005 9:55:24 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Alouette

Is Spielberg self-loathing? I don't understand. I thought he was Orthodox. How could he show anything that might appear even slightly sympathetic to Black September?


13 posted on 06/26/2005 10:43:05 AM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: F15Eagle
Israel went after the people responsible (maybe it's not too late to also get Abbas).

Spielberg, the Liberal that he is, probably would have preferred: Israel "to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."

14 posted on 06/26/2005 10:50:17 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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To: Sabramerican
You may be right. I always thought the Mossad did the right thing going after them. I would hate to hear they got the wrong guy, if that Morrocan waiter thing is true. If you haven't seen this film, it's very powerful.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000059HD7/qid=1119810052/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl27/103-8029827-5438232?v=glance&s=video&n=507846


15 posted on 06/26/2005 11:22:40 AM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: F15Eagle

orthodox? I don't think so.

One day in September is an excellent film. It was produced by Arthur Cohn:

Arthur Cohn

producer
Born: 1939
Birthplace: Basel, Switzerland

A successful producer with five Academy Award-winning films (more than any other producer) to his credit, his films include The Garden of the Finzi-Continis (1970), Black and White in Color (1976), Dangerous Moves (1984) and the documentaries Sky Above and Mud Below (1960) and American Dream (1990). His Central Station (1998) won a Golden Globe for Best Foreign Language Film.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0762152.html

Garden of Finzi-Continis is an incredible Italian film about the rounding up of Italian Jews, specifically one wealthy family.

A bio:

http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/israeldiary/Arthur_Cohn__Guardian_of_Zion.asp



16 posted on 06/26/2005 11:47:50 AM PDT by dervish (multilateralism is the lowest common denominator)
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To: dervish

I just remember when Spielberg's wife converted to Judaism. She was the gal from the 2nd Indiana Jones movie.


17 posted on 06/26/2005 11:57:23 AM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: F15Eagle
I don't understand. I thought he was Orthodox.

He is not and never has been Orthodox. However, his mother became Orthodox later in life, after he was already grown up, and operates an outrageously expensive little kosher cafe on Pico St. in L.A.

18 posted on 06/26/2005 12:58:37 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: F15Eagle
Spielberg's wife converted to Judaism. She was the gal from the 2nd Indiana Jones movie.

I think she was discarded and replaced several wives ago.

19 posted on 06/26/2005 12:59:21 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: F15Eagle

I have no idea how that documentary won that year. I went to see it with much anticipation and it was an almost complete letdown: it covered the whole series of events with the same depth as a typical article in Time Magazine - fine stuff, but no props for depth at all.

I also found the narration by Michael Douglas to be heavy-handed and off-putting.

I had heard this docu was a '10' but I could barely give it a '3.'


20 posted on 06/26/2005 1:02:38 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Alouette
I think she was discarded and replaced several wives ago.

IMDB.Com says she is still the current, unless this is outdated.

Kate Capshaw (12 October 1991 - present) 5 children

Amy Irving (27 November 1985 - 1989) (divorced) 1 child

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000229/bio
21 posted on 06/26/2005 1:11:08 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: F15Eagle

My bad, I thought Amy Irving replaced Kate Capshaw instead of the other way around.

They all look alike anyway.


22 posted on 06/26/2005 1:20:29 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: HitmanNY

The history channel did a show on this. It was very good. I hope Speilberg does well. This is an incredible story.


23 posted on 06/26/2005 1:28:09 PM PDT by bad company (Then they say 'I came to the wrong jihad.'")
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To: bad company

Is is an incredible story. Good luck to the production team.


24 posted on 06/26/2005 1:30:27 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: RonDog
"This film has been built from many, many sources. One thing I can say is we expect this to be a balanced film," he said.

Clearly, this means it's going to be crap. Next project: a balanced view of Rachel Corrie vs. the bulldozer. And there will be no need to talk to the IDF about this.

25 posted on 06/26/2005 3:10:09 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Alouette

No, she's still his wife.


26 posted on 06/26/2005 3:11:19 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: TheOtherOne

This sounds like it will be a boring movie. If it will be released in December it will also be a short production - that means no time for the special effects and major action scenes that he is famous for. It's probably a low budget pet project and I predict it won't be a box office smash, though with a low budget it could make money.

Maybe he's trying to win an academy award for documentary film?


27 posted on 06/26/2005 4:43:36 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Alouette; All

Alouette actually Steven still marry to Kate Capshaw you getting your Mrs Spielberg mix up

ONE that Steven discard was Amy Irving the mother of his son Max now he discard her when he fell in love when his leading lady Kate Capshaw the one that appear in Second Indiana Jones LOL!

I hear Amy got goodddd divorce settlement


28 posted on 06/26/2005 5:10:07 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: SevenofNine

well you know when these big stars types get divorced, they give good settlements to their exes, but then go on and make boatloads more money anyway.

Look at Howard Stern, gave up half his loot, but then signs a $100 million deal.

Speilberg no different. So he gives half of his past to Amy, he'll make that up 5 times over with Kate.


29 posted on 06/26/2005 5:29:39 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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