Child Labourers..
A rural Chinese classroom..
More pics at: http://www.india-defence.com/node/310
Posted on 06/26/2005 10:54:19 AM PDT by Srirangan
Children studying in their "classroom"..
Child Labourers..
A rural Chinese classroom..
More pics at: http://www.india-defence.com/node/310
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A difference betw Indian and Chinese povety being India doesn't portray the image of being poverty free and the world is open to see and criticize. Whereas in China, the rural people and prisoners in their own country having no voice or representation.
Do you believe that classrooms in India are a whole lot better?
I submit that the reason India, China and just about every other country on the globe are doing better than the USA in education is due to their approach. Other countries don't pander to the 'losers', we do. The USA can't lower the bar low enough to appease the 'losers', while the countries moving ahead continue to raise the bar for the 'winners'. The result; superior students. Their 'Losers' are booted out of school and join the work force, hence the determination to stay in school.
The result, 'Winners' from other countries are kicking the pants off of us in every single subject. Students in India speak AT LEAST 3 languages, before graduation (Hindi - their national language, their regional dialect, and english). Are they better than US students? Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
See post #2. The false portrayal of China in/by the media is being questioned here. Not poverty or education.
That's because they HAVE to speak three languages. Don't worry though. We're getting there with Spanish, so soon everyone in th USA will have to speak two.
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Sure, glasnost can take away the blinders from a asociety but it can also precipitate societal collapse (as happened in the ex-USSR).
China's crafty image-management has lured there 10s of 1000s of tourists with $mills in hard currency; has created an impression of awe and reverence amongst neighbours and world capitals alike etc. I wouldn't say these achievements are entirely empty.
India's openess has been praised by many eminent economists (including even the venerable Peter Drucker) as being better off in the long run but remember, in the long run we're all dead anyway.
Show me a Spanish speaking country, and I'll show you a 3rd world dump. Furthermore, I'll show you a country with stellar rates of corruption, poverty and illiteracy. There isn't a whole lot we can learn from Spanish, that is actually worth learning.
I would submit if we are going to learn a second language, it should be from a country that has something worthwile to offer. Japanese comes to mind as a potential candidate.
Well, well....communism at its finest.
Why can't we send our juvenile delinquents and teenage gansta rapsters and gang members there? We are so far off with our educational system it just makes me sick! And then to have the Libs touting China as the beacon of Leftist advances in socialization and "freedom"...yeesh.
I can just see the Teachers' Union and the ACLU all freaking if we set up schools like this for those here who don't want to study in their multi-million dollar classrooms and tell teachers to F off. If we didn't have such a Welfare Safety net, maybe our juvenile deliquents would think twice about their education.
I wonder what the chinese version of Eubonics is? ha.
Looks like we'd better start shipping the cash over in boxcars....
They are not hobbled with environmental compliance, labor standards, zoning laws or any of the myriad regulations that we in the US are bound to comply with, at both great expense and degradation of our ability to compete against the flood of unfettered production originating in these free wheeling, merchantilist totalitarian states. To boot, the existence of numerous non-tarriff barriers and outright prohibitions against imports of our production further exacerbate the imbalances. Our trade negotiators are blind to these disparities and their counsel to our industries to streamline and compete are the ultimate travesty.
Good point. The world strives to learn English, as it is the "international business language," and a way out of poverty. In the US, Spanish is on the rise as our major cities begin to resemble 3rd world hell holes.
Thank you for posting these.
I agree. I was merely making a tongue in cheek analogy on the point of why Indians must learn three languages.
I think the point the originator of this thread made is valid, though. Different issue. We don't want to hijack the thread.
Wait until the Chinese National Education Association begins to make demands, leaving even less for education.
BTT
IF the regular media were to ever publish these, it would be in a way that somehow demonstrated the successes of communism. Child labor would just be viewed as part of their unique culture and efforts would be made to ascertain that the dignity of these children must not be besmirched by forcing democracy and the end of their 'culture' (in as much as their culture is communism and their use of child labor must be respected) upon them.
With an "average of 160 major incidents of social unrest every day in China's hinterland" the Chinese people are doing something and the Chi-Coms have deep concerns. To wit, "About 800 million of China's 1.3 billion people have yet to see any benefit from market reform while the corruption of local Communist party officials is ever more onerous."
one source: "Unrest Sharply Increasing Through Much of China," Jonathan Manthorpe Vancouver Sun. November 3, 2004
Who are these troublemakers? "According to the [NY] Times, the report notes that protests are now 'expanding from farmers and retired workers to include workers still on the job, individual business owners, decommissioned soldiers and even officials, teachers and students'. It indicts corruption among government and Communist Party bureaucrats as 'the main fuse exacerbating conflicts between officials and the masses'."
That is from the World Socialist Web Site, www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jun2001/chin-j15.shtml
China is among the most unequal nations on earth, reports the WSWS.
"Fueling the hostility to the Communist Party is the fact that its 64.5 million members are overwhelmingly drawn from the privileged 10 percent. More than 50 percent of party members in Shanghai for example are businessmen. A recent survey found that one third of university students had applied to join the Communist Party—the suspected motive was to get business connections."
Forget China converting to free-enterprise, freedom-loving capitalism. The complaint is that the Party has strayed too far from Marx and Mao.
What's a socialist to do?
On the bright side, "the Chinese leadership is haunted by the prospect that its policies are preparing another eruption of the masses."
Communist revolution 2.0? I hope so. End of "free trade" transfer of technology, wealth (FDI), and production of our goods and services.
We never let the internationalist Rockefeller Republicans and liberals "free trade" the Soviet Union into a true superpower -- we sure as hell should not be helping the Chi-coms.
St Joseph, pray for us.
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintj01.htm
I know what you are saying, but all the same:
With a GDP per capita of 23,000 and a Literacy rate of 97.9% I'd hardly call Spain poor and illiterate. And it is a spanish speaking country.
But I get the point you were trying to point. It is just that you said 'show me a Spanish speaking country' .....you were not specific what continent you wanted it to be. LOL.
I think that is the best CONCISE statement concerning the failure of American government schools I've read.
Great debating style. Who needs evidence, examples or facts when you can drop back and simply insult the messenger?
You are the perfect illustration that goes with my statement. Don't take a (painful) look at the culture, the lifestyle and place blame where the blame should be placed. No, let's blame someone else....
Umm, Spain ? Not a dump IMHO.
Problem with Japanese is only the Japanese speak it. Its also a very hard language.
Spanish is incredibly easy by comparison. And it is a gateway to French and Italian. Much easier to get a toehold on multi-language ability. Also the total GDP of all Spanish-speaking nations is greater than Japan.
Chinese, pref. Cantonese is also a good idea. Lots of important and wealthy people around the world to talk to, not just in China. It can open doors everywhere in East Asia.
Although Spain is the noteable exception to the rule, Spain is no where near the super-power it was. Is the fact that Spain's national language, spanish, has become the world's lowest denominator partly to blame? I don't know. I do know that Spain is not what it once was, which is a pity.
COUNTRY SPANISH SPEAKING POPULATION
1. SPAIN 39,500,000
2. U.S.A 22,500,000
3. GUINEA ECUATORIAL 300,000
4. FILIPINAS 2,900,000
5. GUATEMALA 9,200,000
6. EL SALVADOR 5,200,000
7. HONDURAS 4,500,000
8. NICARAGUA 3,100,000
9. COSTA RICA 3,100,000
10. ECUADOR 10,000,000
11. PERU 22,000,000
12. MEXICO 80,000,000
13. CUBA 10,800,000
14. REPUBLICA DOMINICANA 7,300,000
15. PUERTO RICO 3,500,000
16. PANAMA 2,100,000
17. VENEZUELA 18,000,000
18. COLOMBIA 33,600,000
19. BOLIVIA 6,900,000
20. PARAGUAY 4,500,000
21. ARGENTINA 32.500,000
22. CHILE 13,600,000
23. URUGUAY 3,150,000Other than Spain or the U.S. (which does not belong on the list) which country would you call prosperous and someplace you would like to live?
ping
And about insulting??? Let's take a look at your full post:
We're getting there with Spanish, so soon everyone in th USA will have to speak two.
Show me a Spanish speaking country, and I'll show you a 3rd world dump. Furthermore, I'll show you a country with stellar rates of corruption, poverty and illiteracy. There isn't a whole lot we can learn from Spanish, that is actually worth learning.
I would submit if we are going to learn a second language, it should be from a country that has something worthwile to offer. Japanese comes to mind as a potential candidate.
In this post, you basically affirm that both the Spanish language and the Spanish-speaking world are worthless, and that there's no redeeming value about them and their peoples. And I take offense at that, sir.
I'm well aware of Latin America's problems and shortcomings, and I'll call attention to them when it's warranted, but I won't let the region be gratuitously insulted by someone who probably hasn't even been there. I come from there, so I have more than first-hand knowledge.
All this being said, I stand by what I said about you. You're still an asswipe.
Don't forget Ebonics...so I would say the MTV crowd is speaking or at least familiar with 3 languages english,spanish and ebonics
Well, keeping it up, huh???
Your ignorance, stupidity and all-around bigotry seem boundless...
Argentina and Chile are not that bad... and Colombia, despite all its problems, it's one of the greatest places on Earth.
Consider the following countries:
Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala,
Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Spain, Uruguay and Venezuela
With the possible exception of Spain, is there a country in which corruption is not the status quo? How many of these countries have been there to help us, when we needed help? How many of these countries sent us so much as a fruit basket when we had a hurricane? How many countries DEMAND that we continue to pay them foreign aid?
Now let's ask some questions ourselves. If we go to any of these countries, we are expected to go there legally; and to at least make the effort to learn the language.
On the reverse, we are expected to not only allow the Spanish population to come into this country without bothering to follow the laws, we must allow them to leave a trail of trash as they enter, then we must learn Spanish so we can provide not only free education, but also free medical treatment.
I've been to Mexico, Belize and Guatemala. When we offered to help a village install a generator to provide some electrical power for the village, a DEMAND for money was made for the privilege of helping them.
I submit you are the bigot. You look at everyone and blame them for not helping the 'poor and downtrodden'; but in actuallity are lazy and stupid. Who makes up the NUMBER ONE position of high school drop-outs? Do you need a hint? And I'm the bigot for noticing?
Prosperity is a concept that appears completely out of the realm of concept for these contries. Instead of prosperity, development and advancing; a spanish speaking country that suddenly finds itself cast as a paradise becomes a very illustration of corruption. Consider Cozomel.
Here we have a place that is literally paradise on earth. People want to live there. Business could grow at a fantastic rate, this would attract schools, manufacturing, development ... Instead, the wealth goes to the few; who then enslave the rest. Drive 5 miles in any direction; and you will see poverty. I know, I've done this.
Same thing with Belize. Walk just 2 blocks past the harbor; and you too can witness the poverty. And we could go down the list. Now contrast this with non-spanish speaking countries.
Pull your head out, and take the time to actually SEE what is there, not what you'd like to imagine.
Learning 2 additional languages early in school, or out of school, is a great help in all studies, especially if the languages are very different from each other. The mind learns to think in different pathways simultaneously to solve problems. Americans should learn Latin and one of the Chinese languages or Korean or Japanese or Hebrew or even Arabic. The Basque tongue would be great. It is just about as different as a language can get though there are not many folks one could practice with.
Learn Mandarin. Standard Mandarin is the official spoken language of business in China and Taiwan
Cantonese is the language of the country Chinese
As I understand it, Spain, Costa Rica, Chile, Uruguay, and to a lesser degree Argentina are moderately successful countries that don't fall to the abysmal level of third-world hellholes like Zimbabwe. There's a nasty vein of socialism present in Spain and it's former Latin American colonies, though, which is detrimental to any real long term prosperity.
Cantonese is the language of the overseas Chinese - those who control most busness in South-East Asia.
Spain "is not what it was" only in comparison to its high point the sixteenth and earlier seventeenth century.
The current prosperity of Spain is quite remarkable compared to conditions there for the last 300 years.
Well.......those are images of poverty.....I will credit that to you. But lets put it in perspective. Those images were there even before China began their openess and trade with the rest of the world. You use these pictures to demonstrate that China misleads the world by only showing pictures of prosperity and avoiding pictures of poverty. And that may be true.
But the fact that there are pictures of skyscrapers, freeways and shopping malls is a testament to their economic success despite the lingering poverty throughout the country. It's going to take time to lift the entire nation out of poverty. They won't be able to do it in one generation (they've opened their markets to the outside world for about 26 years now). But millions have indeed been lifted out of poverty and have moved to urban areas over the past 26 years. Millions more will still need to be moved out of poverty.
How do you change an impoverished country (where at one time 90% of the population had toiled on the land) into a modern society? Do what they're doing now, open up their country to trade, technology, investment, etc., allow students to study abroad, employ themselves in foreign companies and bring the know how back home. They are in fact doing things right that will help them move forward into a developed nation. It will just take time. South Korea has opened themselves to the outside world since 1953. That's 26 years longer than China. South Korea is still under construction, but they are getting there and so will China.
The reality is, they are doing the right thing, and many people outside of China resent it.
As for being a good place to live, several of these countries are quite attractive places, if you have a first world income. Plenty of Americans retire to them or choose to live in them.
Basque is much too bizarre (a Basque word).
There is a great movie called "China, Beyond the Clouds" that portrays life in a small Chinese Village and in a Chinese mountainous area. Watching that movie will put in awe of the differences between Western civ and Eastern in so many small things we take for granted. The rural school in that movie looked much like the ones in these pictures.
No entiendo? Que se dice amigo..???
This fella bout sums it up as long as you're not talking retirement..........
It seems that you definitely have some sort of dislike toward Latin America that probably won't be cured, since yo seem to stand to your words.
I'm not asking anyone for help for Latin America. And I won't ever do it. You're probably right; we don't deserve it, since we'll probably squander such aid.
But you've let that dissatisfaction of your become full-blown hatred.
And personally, I, as a Hispanic in the US, am proud that I've never begged for anything since I came to this country. Everything I have had and I have achieved, I earned it, including:
-Coming to this country legally, having to wait 11 years in order to do so.
-Having worked and paid for my own community college tuition when I went to school part-time.
-And finally, having earned a Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering degree, and starting next week, I'll start an entry-level engineering job with a very good paycheck for someone my age.
And then, some idiot tells me that because I happen to have the Spanish language as my mother tongue, I won't amount to anything??? I find that patently offensive.
Go ahead, you can feel as morally, economically and culturally superior to all Hispanics and Latin Americans as you want to, but it won't take away the fact that you're a top-notch, state-of-the-art asswipe for holding such condescending, misguided and downright hateful views.
P.S: Belize is an English-speaking country. So much for Spanish being "inferior".
And yet, the free traitors go about telling us that we should just open up our markets and that all will be well.
If we want to match their lifestyle, we can continue on this path. If we don't, we had best wake up.
Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index 2004
There is a place that "measures" corruption. Most of the places you list score pretty low.
You have a point. In the US the top 50% of students compare well with students around the world. It is the bottom half of our "students" that are so woeful that our average makes us look like idiots.
Making schools easy does not make them better.
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