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Let's start counting citizens
Pittsburgh Live ^ | June 26, 2005 | Dimitri Vassilaros

Posted on 06/26/2005 3:45:54 PM PDT by Founding Father

Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., wants to change one word in the U.S. Constitution.

Replacing "persons" with "citizens" in the 14th Amendment would force the Census Bureau to discount foreigners -- legals and illegals -- to ensure that every American finally would be properly represented in the House.

Michigan would gain a seat, as would Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Indiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Montana and Utah, according to Ms. Miller.

"It is almost ridiculously simple" she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


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KEYWORDS: aliens; citizens; constitution; districts; illegalimmigrants; immigrantlist; politics; votingrights
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Because the census counts foreigners as well as Americans, 67,000 Californians have the same representation in the House as 217,000 Michiganders.

How does one say "One man, one vote" in Spanish?

I must admit I was unaware of the influence of illegals and legal non-citizens in the apportionment of representatives.

1 posted on 06/26/2005 3:45:54 PM PDT by Founding Father
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To: Founding Father

So Oklahoma lost our Congressional seat because they count illegals? I am for this change 100%! That is absolutely disgusting and am passing on to my State Rep and Senator not mention by Congressman and two Senators.


2 posted on 06/26/2005 3:47:41 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor; Allen in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; wardaddy

Bump to the top !


3 posted on 06/26/2005 3:53:10 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Founding Father

Counting illegal aliens in the Census is like counting an unknown passerby as part of your immediate family.


4 posted on 06/26/2005 3:54:08 PM PDT by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops!)
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To: Founding Father

Making the illegal invasion of the USA a felony
would allow citizen arrests....and force leos to do their jobs
or suffer arrests themselves

imo


5 posted on 06/26/2005 3:54:45 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Just trying to get in touch with my inner tagline)
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To: Founding Father
'it'll never pass cuz it makes way too much sense' bump
6 posted on 06/26/2005 3:57:50 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Founding Father

Making the illegal invasion of the USA a felony
would allow citizen arrests....and force leos to do their jobs
or suffer arrests themselves

imo


7 posted on 06/26/2005 3:58:54 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Just trying to get in touch with my inner tagline)
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To: Founding Father

I propose amending the Constitution as written "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside." to read "persons born of legal resident parent(s) or of legal visitors in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside."


8 posted on 06/26/2005 4:04:58 PM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey has more horses per square mile than any other U.S. state.)
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To: Founding Father

Since, legally, only US citizens are allowed to vote, I'm all for it!


9 posted on 06/26/2005 4:06:07 PM PDT by toothfairy86
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To: tomkat

She will be getting a call from the ACLU, any moment now!


10 posted on 06/26/2005 4:07:14 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Founding Father

It might help to know what 'person' actually means.


11 posted on 06/26/2005 4:08:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Founding Father

I think in the old days, before there was "naturalization" all the people were citizens, except for the slaves and indians which if present in the district were presumed NOT to participate in the body politic.

I don't know the history of naturalization rules, like when they were established. I expect it was a crazy quilt dependent on the state, the time and the ethnicity.


12 posted on 06/26/2005 4:09:22 PM PDT by billl
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To: Founding Father

I hope Rep. Miller is successful in her effort.


13 posted on 06/26/2005 4:12:48 PM PDT by arnoldpalmerfan (Tancredo for President 2008)
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To: Txsleuth

Completely off-topic, but I kinda miss Texas . . .


14 posted on 06/26/2005 4:13:59 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: XRdsRev

I would support that amnedment to the Constitution.


15 posted on 06/26/2005 4:14:03 PM PDT by arnoldpalmerfan (Tancredo for President 2008)
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To: joesnuffy

I am with you 100% -- make it a felony and put business people who hire illegals in jail and see how fast they get out of the hiring illegal trade.


16 posted on 06/26/2005 4:17:00 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor; Allen in 2008)
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To: arnoldpalmerfan

This might have a chance in the house, but be much more difficult in the senate. And if it passes, how would the counters distiguish between citizens vs. non citizens?


17 posted on 06/26/2005 4:17:45 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: XRdsRev
No way!
Anchor babies is the most popular means for aliens to delay deportation indefinitely. Citizens only of other citizens or legal permanent residents, please! Not even casual "travelers" should enjoy that privilege (which would instantly be abused; expect thousands of pregnant tourists.)

I propose amending the Constitution as written "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside." to read "persons born of legal resident parent(s) or of legal visitors in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside."

18 posted on 06/26/2005 4:21:29 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Founding Father

I'm sure that Congress can come up with a workable compromise on the issue, like counting illegals and non-citizens as, oh, I don't know, three-fifths?


19 posted on 06/26/2005 4:23:33 PM PDT by Loyalist (No confidence in Mr. Dithers.)
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To: umgud
And if it passes, how would the counters distinguish between citizens vs. non citizens?

Ask to see a driver's license?

Oh, yeah, right!

Never mind.

20 posted on 06/26/2005 4:23:38 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (June! It's bustin' out all over... ENJOY!)
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