Posted on 06/27/2005 3:21:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
When he tells you, could you ping me? I know I'm awful ignorant about the Constitution, I must have missed that part.
There are already too many unnecessary, abomiable, stupid and expensive regulations in the building codes, which include remodeling.
Do you work in a county office, by any chance, like a building permit department?
Here is my take on building codes, my better half and self having gone through some interesting times.
For owner built homes, let people do what they want. Why not? Should we also have "eating codes" to make sure people don't eat food that is bad for them?
For houses built to sell or for people to live in other than the builder himself, have a builders' guild. Private organization, they determine the kind of codes/ rules they want, and any builders who want the guild certificate on the houses they build goes along with those codes and rules. Inspection is by the builders' guild. No penalties, fines or jail time if not up their standards; they just don't get the guild certificate and maybe kicked out of the guild.
Then home buyers will look for the guild certificate, and be willing to pay more for it. There could even be different guilds with differing standards.
Why does the effing government have to personally rule every aspect of private life? It's getting beyond the point of toleration.
If someone wants to build themselves a home to live in that others consider substandard, why the he!! can't they live in a substandard house? It would help solve a lot of problems. I don't see how young people can even afford a house nowadays; not just young people, but people not high on the economic rung.
I guess people would say that's what trailer parks are for; but now with the vile SCOTUS ruling, trailer parks will be commandeered soon. Actually, in OR they are disappearing fast and the elderly and poor are SOL.
Bridge time.
In our neighborhood, we figure it is a good way to let us know we have a broken service water main or other unground plumbing leak. A couple neighbors discovered leaks that way.
As far as having the sprinklers, they are in our house. I have my doubts about if they will work since they never go off when my wife cooks.
I have no idea what your field of endeavor has been, nor do I have any reason to inquire or assume it.OK. I assume that your are now or have been a GC.
"I will reiterate that the codes being developed and promoted in the article, provide far less professional altruism, than they promote a trade organizations and fraternity of similar self-elevating egoists."It's all about "Big Sprinkler" huh?
IMHO, their promotion is extravagant and generally good for nothing.Thank you for your opinion. My opinion is that sprinklers work, and they work much better than us day late, dollar short firemen.
Socially, their default acceptance will cause considerable economic damage to the lower and middle class with minimal to no observable benefit.Other than saving lives...
I've met socialists who would favor these codes, but I've never known any conservative who would favor them after running the numbers and observed the performance of those systems.Nice sly false analogy. Ya know, I've known Clansmen who were against racial set-asides and quotas like you, there for you must be racist, bigoted KKK member.
Oh wait… that logic doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
Anyway, now you know a staunch conservative who is a supporter of fire sprinklers. The past 100 years of modern construction techniques haven't required residential sprinklers and the residential market and lives haven't been threatened.
Except the people killed and disfigured in fires.
I noticed you missed my question so I’ll ask again.
Are you saying you would prefer that the codes be used as guidelines?
When he tells you, could you ping me? I know I'm awful ignorant about the Constitution, I must have missed that part.On any post, click the " View Replies" link to see responses.
This is the same kind of garbage that happened when the federal government required airbags in all new cars. It caused the price of new cars to go up. Now they have keys where customers can turn them off. Why should you have to turn them off? Why can't you buy a car without one if you so desire.
Another example is requiring seat belt use in cars and helmets for motorcycle riders. I wouldn't drive without a seat belt. I wouldn't ride a motorcycle without a helmet. However, it isn't the place of the government to babysit me. I am a grown man. I don't need a babysitter. I can decide whether or not a want an airbag. I can decide whether or not I want a seat belt. I can decide whether or not I want to wear a helmet. While we're at at, I can also say that I can decide whether or not to patronize a restaurant based on the number of smokers present. I can do all this without the government's help.
"There are already too many unnecessary, abomiable, stupid and expensive regulations in the building codes, which include remodeling."Which codes would you do away with? Your local government can and do amend code to suit the needs of the local area. You should talk with the local elected reps and let them know your concerns.
Do you work in a county office, by any chance, like a building permit department?I am a fireman. Like many others, I got suck in staff for a couple years when I promoted to Lt. My staff billet was prevention. It was there that I learned a lot about fire separation and suppression systems.
Being in prevention was a very good experience. When people find out you’re a fireman, they never ask you how to select a good spot for a cut off line or how you decide whether to pull a rack line or deploy a bundle or anything having to do with fire-ground tactics. They always ask you some fire code question. And for most of my career I would have to say I didn’t know and then make a guess, and I always felt like I let that person down. Now I have a much better understanding of the how’s and why’s of fire code.
Knowing Montgomery County, MD and the cost of living in that area coupled with the fact that not just any plumber can install a fire sprinkler system, I'd say it won't be cheap.
Knowing Montgomery County, MD and the cost of living in that area coupled with the fact that not just any plumber can install a fire sprinkler system, I'd say it won't be cheap.
For houses built to sell or for people to live in other than the builder himself, have a builders' guild. Private organization, they determine the kind of codes/ rules they want, and any builders who want the guild certificate on the houses they build goes along with those codes and rules. Inspection is by the builders' guild. No penalties, fines or jail time if not up their standards; they just don't get the guild certificate and maybe kicked out of the guild.Interesting. But I don't think the community as a whole will be satisfied with the nice side of town having safe housing and the "less affluent" side of town having less safe housing. And it is the community as a whole who picks the representatives for that communityThen home buyers will look for the guild certificate, and be willing to pay more for it. There could even be different guilds with differing standards.
Besides, we have already tried letting market forces guide fire safety and lost entire cities as a result.
For halon to work you have to maintain a specified concentration for a specified amount of time. You also have to test the system. The last test I personally witnessed cost $1,000 twenty-five years ago. Did I mention the room needs to be air tight?
No. BTDT.
Many industrial users of Halon stocked up when they saw the writing on the wall.
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