Posted on 06/27/2005 5:24:07 AM PDT by robowombat
I suggest you go read up on WWII in the Eastern Front.
Women suck at combat period. If you want to convince me otherwise, give the sourve to the video, anecdotal evidence means nothibng to me.
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Now you're changing the topic. My last post to you was recommending that you read about fighting on the Eastern Front before making statements such as They fought from their homes against an unprepared and languishing German Army.
That fighting was savage unlike anything experienced on the Western Front and I wouldn't call the German army "unprepared and languishing" as you did.
For a primer of Soviet female snipers, you may want to begin here: Lyudmyla Pavlichenko. Here's another female Soviet sniper Nina Lobkovskaya
The issue is about women in combat. That is what this thread is about. I'm not really concerned what female Russian snipers did in WWII. From my experience with serving with women in the military and in law enfrocement women should not be involved in combat. All the literature in the world about women snipers in WWII isn't going to make me change my mind about what I've seen first hand.
I generally agree with you but my desire is to see the best person occupy a position. A woman is certainly unqualified to be a member of a marine rifle squad or field artillery. However, what about other less traditional combat roles such as UAV operator?
I don't see anything wrong with women being UAV operators. Actually that seems to be a good idea.
Oh yes. There were about a half dozen women pirates and some women who have hidden the fact and gottent into the armed forces and fought. All completely irrelevant and no argument for integrated military combat operations. Exceptions to exceptions do not make sound policy and never have. As a general rule, men have always vanquished women and they always will. If this were not the case, women would have ruled the earth and done away with this tendency long ago.
This above statement merely helps my side of the agruement.
All completely irrelevant and no argument for integrated military combat operations.
So you willfully ignore evidense that proves you wrong, that's foolish on your part.
An aberration of 0.00000001% in all of history is nothing to build a case on. Your side will lose every time.
Pulling figures out of you butt does not help your side of the arguement.
My side of the argument is all of history, humand nature and the plain facts of life and physiology. Your side of the argument is a handful of exceptions and muddle brained hopes on which you would hang all of our security. You do the math. BTW, there is no argument - objective reality speaks for itself.
"All of history", please I doubt you know all 5000 years of writen human history, let alone 'all of history'.
No it isn't, it's all about sexism in that you are against the standard being set same. Because such a move would prove you wrong.
We have military women in Iraq right now that are kicking ass right now. But then you ignore such facts because they go against your dilusions.
If you cannot face the plain reality of M/F differences, I doubt you'd be able to make sense of anything current or past. The female soldiers in Iraq are in combat support. If they get into it, it is only by accident. Again, you seem unable to read facts correctly.
Please, if you wish to champion Sheena the Warrior Princess or dress up like an Amazon in the privacy of your own home - please do so! Just don't endanger the nation with your brand of utopian idiocy.
BTW, 5000 years of history is a figure you must have pulled out of your butt since records extend beyond that.
You ignore the reality that no one it same, some men are weaker than others, some men are stronger than others. This fact also applies to women.
The female soldiers in Iraq are in combat support. If they get into it, it is only by accident. Again, you seem unable to read facts correctly.
All of Iraq is a combat zone for the gorilla warfare the terrorists are taking over there, some anyone over there is on the frontlines, including the women.
And don't give me "all women are weak" BS, I know of women weightlefters that could easily snap you like a twig.
Facts are pernicious things. So are bell curves. You need to acquaint yourself with both.
The "bell curve" supports my side of the arguement because it proves my point that some women can handle combat.
No, genius, what it shows is that exceptions lie outside the norm. To use the exceptions as a basis for policy creation or reform in critical functions like national security, is beyond foolish. In fact, it borders on treason if the proponents are rational. In your case, I just write it off to willful ignorance.
I really believe there is no point to pursuing this further since you seem unable to grasp basic reality. You may have the last word - but please - at least try be creative and original in crafting your final insults.
You forgot to take into account that by you logical, no one, man or women, in the military is in your 'norm'.
EVERYONE seems to miss the boat on this issue. It boils down to this. The fundamental function of an Army is to fight and defeat the enemy. To the extent that women can enable this mission they should be utilized.
I believe that the present policy is, or has the potential to be; couterproductive to the army's fundamental mission. Every soldier needs to be fundamentally interchangeable in the combat mission, should it be necessary to "plug" them into it in an emergency. During the fighting in northwest Europe in WWII, The United States Army was forced to comb out personnel who had been assigned to the Army Specialized Training program has technical personnel (aircrew, radar operators, etc) and convert them to infantry to replace the staggering losses in the post Normandy breakout and the Huertgen Forest debacle. Since 14% of the Army is not deployable to such duty (women) this does not bode well for such an eventuality. While we can continue to pray that we will never again face an enemy that will be able to attrite us as the German and Japanese Armies did, we MUST not plan as though it will never again happen. The Iraq war as it is presently playing out IS NO TEST OF THIS PROPOSITION. Additionally, these women are only expected to meet a gender normed standard of physical readiness, and cannot be expected to perform generally as well as a simarly situated male soldier would.
Despite all radical femist attempts to decry the disheartning (to them) tendency to place a higher value (or at least to shield from harm) on women's lives for most of Western civillization's history, this predeliction will cause a greater demoralizing effect on the nation than an equivalent number of dead or wounded men. The potential effect on national policy must be considered as to it's political fallout and negative repercussions.
I believe having such large numbers of women in the military should be reserved for cases of full mobilization, where they are essential; but I realize that the present situation is largely impelled by PC and gender politics, and the defense establishment is yielding to that reality.
Under the current PC regime, physical standards will NEVER be equal because 40-60% of women now gender-normed into the service would be subsequently washed out. A political decision has been made to have a politically acceptable number of women, and dual physical standards was the means to allow it.
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