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Seinfeld Liberals
The American Thinker ^ | 6/26/05 | Ed Lasky

Posted on 06/27/2005 7:58:15 AM PDT by Kitten Festival

Seinfeld was a television marvel. Perhaps the most successful situation comedy series of all time, it ran from 1989 to 1998, and has become an omnipresent aspect of our lives as it continually runs in syndication and lives on in best-selling DVD box sets, making fortunes in the hundred millions for both of its co-creators.

But there is yet another facet of Seinfeld at which we can marvel: the cast of characters on the show weirdly foreshadowed the rise to prominence of a large component of the dominant urban liberal wing of the Democratic Party. With a nod to Brian Anderson’s South Park Conservatives and a quick glance backward at yesterday’s Matt Bai New York Times Magazine article King of the Hill Democrats, let us join the craze for television series politics, and call them Seinfeld Liberals.

Their emergence has not been beneficial for our nation.

Hollywood has long provided role models and templates for Americans – just as books and stories always have (Washington and the Cherry tree, Abe Lincoln studying by candle, the always-inventive Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Edison, the heroic obstinacy of U.S. Grant and George Patton).

In recent decades, a certain cynicism about the character of Americans seems to have taken hold, at least in the filmed and televised entertainment we see.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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1 posted on 06/27/2005 7:58:17 AM PDT by Kitten Festival
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To: Kitten Festival

I loved Seinfeld and I'm no liberal...


2 posted on 06/27/2005 7:59:25 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: Kitten Festival

Never saw the show, not even once.


3 posted on 06/27/2005 8:00:15 AM PDT by Bossy Gillis
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To: RockinRight

Likewise.


4 posted on 06/27/2005 8:00:30 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Kitten Festival

The only problem is that real liberals aren't as funny, nor as interesting as the Seinfeld characters.


5 posted on 06/27/2005 8:01:05 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Kitten Festival

BUMP!
Seinfeld was as apolitical a show as I have ever seen.
The characters were too self-absorbed to give a rat's behind about politics. But I did think that the episode with Giuliani and the yogurt was hilarious.


6 posted on 06/27/2005 8:02:09 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Kitten Festival

Interesting. I'll have to read more.

Actually, I have thought that a show like Seinfeld - "the show about nothing" - seemed to fit in well with the general post-cold war/pre-September 11 mood. Nothing ominous hanging overhead. I wonder if such a show would be as likely to be a hit in the present atmosphere.

I dunno. I always liked Seinfeld. Maybe my post is too touchy-feels. The "thesis" has the smell of a graduate-school dissertation . . .


7 posted on 06/27/2005 8:02:34 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

feels = feely


8 posted on 06/27/2005 8:02:48 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: RockinRight

Heh.... yesterday I saw an article where somehow liberals were trying to latch on to "King of the Hill".


"WAAAAH! - We wanna have a show too! Unfair South Park Conservatives!"


9 posted on 06/27/2005 8:03:16 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Kitten Festival

With the possible exception of Elaine, none of the characters would bother to go out and vote. Kramer would tell everyone to vote, but then forget to do so himself. Jerry and George just wouldn't care.


10 posted on 06/27/2005 8:03:40 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Bossy Gillis

Funniest show ever on television. I own every episode.


11 posted on 06/27/2005 8:03:45 AM PDT by cwiz24 (I worked very hard on this tagline.)
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To: Kitten Festival
While occasional feints towards marriage were made (noticeably George’s relationship with Susan – which ended in George killing her)

That's not what happened in the show. This writer is not responsible.

12 posted on 06/27/2005 8:04:11 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Kitten Festival
Seinfeld is funny. He is funny because he makes fun of the worst in all of us. Nobody wants to live like the characters or be like the characters (miserable and lonely). And they all got their due in the final episode...
13 posted on 06/27/2005 8:04:20 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Kitten Festival
The face of the new DNC?



Hell, it would be a step up from Michael Moore and Jimmah Carter.
14 posted on 06/27/2005 8:04:28 AM PDT by mnehring (http://www.mlearningworld.com)
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To: Lancey Howard

I was surprised when Kramer complained about the "ribbon Nazis." That was a pretty sharp comment for that show.


15 posted on 06/27/2005 8:05:57 AM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: Kitten Festival
Spin it how ever they want. The Seinfeld show is great even to this day.

And I despise mondern day Liberals.

16 posted on 06/27/2005 8:06:22 AM PDT by b4its2late (I saw a woman wearing a sweat shirt with "Guess" on it. So I said "Implants?" She hit me.)
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To: Bossy Gillis

Me neither.


17 posted on 06/27/2005 8:07:00 AM PDT by Forrestfire ("To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: HairOfTheDog

King of the Hill? They've GOT to be kidding...


18 posted on 06/27/2005 8:07:15 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: rabidralph

While the author has some interesting points, he misses the big picture--the Seinfeld characters are setup to be MOCKED for their shallow, hypocritical values. I have never seen Seinfeld as a tribute to liberalism; indeed, it demonstrates that conservative values are a bedrock for our society and that deviation therein leads to a warp, depraved, narcissistic(sp?), and self-indulgent existence.


19 posted on 06/27/2005 8:07:32 AM PDT by OldArmy94
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To: Kitten Festival

The show was funny because it was true. It was typical New York City, which abounds in just such farcical liberalism.


21 posted on 06/27/2005 8:07:47 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living affront to Islam since 1959)
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To: Kitten Festival
Who!!....will not wear the ribbon?
22 posted on 06/27/2005 8:07:58 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: sheik yerbouty

LOL!

This is almost as insane as the King of the Hill Democrats article I saw the other day.


23 posted on 06/27/2005 8:08:06 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Kitten Festival

yadda yadda yadda


24 posted on 06/27/2005 8:08:28 AM PDT by Right_at_RiceU (You don't need a gun to kill hippies, just soap or work.)
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To: cwiz24
Funniest show ever on television

Definitely one of the top sit-coms of all time, right up there with I Love Lucy and All in the Family.

25 posted on 06/27/2005 8:09:12 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Kitten Festival
I only saw parts of one show, and that was because I was trapped on an airliner.

It made me want to open the window and take a walk on the wing!

26 posted on 06/27/2005 8:10:09 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Getting old sucks, but it is the only viable option!)
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To: Kitten Festival
The only character that was every even remotely political was Elaine. In a couple of episodes we saw that she was pro-abortion and anti-fur. In another episode she showed political correctness in being militantly anti-smoking. However, often, these views were used as straight lines for Jerry or George.

IMHO, during the good seasons, the show was the funniest ever on television. There were a few seasons where the writers got lazy and the show suffered.

Could it be that the Seinfeld liberal is simply someone who is totally selfish and self-absorbed - like the characters on the show?
27 posted on 06/27/2005 8:11:04 AM PDT by Pete
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To: Baynative

Elaine was pro-abortion to the point of making her look utterly stupid and closed-minded. There were a couple episodes with that topic involving Poppy and also her search for a perfect man.


28 posted on 06/27/2005 8:11:47 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: RockinRight; All

Ditto.

The show wasn't political.

One episode had Elaine fighting over abortion, but the guy she ends up dating was pro-life.

You could tell pretty easily that the message of the show was that there are great people who you like who may happen to disagree with you on some issues.

She ends up opening her mind up a bit.

The show is not liberal.


29 posted on 06/27/2005 8:12:20 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: Kitten Festival

Is it just me, or is there currently a popular trend to try to divine political overtones in everything these days?

Can't we just accept that not all shows have hidden agendas and enjoy them (or not) for what they are?

I for one don't want to just watch bland, neutral shows that have been deemed 'depoliticized for your protection'.

p.s. Wow. Depoliticized passed the spell checker. Who knew it was a real word?


30 posted on 06/27/2005 8:14:17 AM PDT by Antonello
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To: RockinRight
'King of the Hill' Democrats?
31 posted on 06/27/2005 8:14:21 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Kirkwood
Jerry and George just wouldn't care.

George would vote, but only if it would impress his current girlfriend. Jerry would just wander by the precinct and get into random discussions with voters, not only missing his own chance to vote, but preventing others from getting in on time.

32 posted on 06/27/2005 8:16:04 AM PDT by kevkrom (“It’s good to remember whom people turn to when they’re desperate — and it ain’t Kofi Annan.”)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

He called the woman a "ribbon bully", not a ribbon Nazi.

Andrew


33 posted on 06/27/2005 8:16:18 AM PDT by Andy Ross (A Scot in Trondheim)
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To: Baynative

It amazes me how people are content to take things at face value. American Psycho came out in a special edition last week, and the bonus features talked about all the fuss the book created. It was interesting that NOW was so upset with the book when the author considered it a feminist novel. Portraying something isn't being in favor of it. I guess reading between the lines is an art most haven't mastered.


34 posted on 06/27/2005 8:16:21 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: RockinRight
King of the Hill? They've GOT to be kidding...

I'm with you, the closest I've seen to Democrats in animation is Beavis and Butthead.
35 posted on 06/27/2005 8:16:28 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: RockinRight

Couldn't get into the show. Not sure why, but none of the characters were likeable or people I could identify with in any way.

In fact, they constantly irritated me. I maybe watched 3 episodes.


36 posted on 06/27/2005 8:16:46 AM PDT by altura
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To: Lancey Howard
Seinfeld was as apolitical a show as I have ever seen.

Exactly! The show was about "nothing". They even did an episode about it.

37 posted on 06/27/2005 8:17:45 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: HEY4QDEMS; Cagey; Larry Lucido

LOL!


38 posted on 06/27/2005 8:18:41 AM PDT by MotleyGirl70 (Todd Gack. That's a nice name. What is that Dutch?)
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To: RockinRight
Official White House portrait:


39 posted on 06/27/2005 8:19:53 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Kirkwood
also her search for a perfect man.

He must be sponge-worthy. :)

40 posted on 06/27/2005 8:21:35 AM PDT by TheBigB (Why yes, I -do- rock! Thanks for noticing!)
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To: Bossy Gillis
It took me a while to get to where I could watch it. My boyfriend loves it, so I get exposed to it constantly. The first episode I ever watched featured the joke about a guy who left his cat alone in a locked apartment until it starved to death. Not at all funny to me.

I saw it again some months later, where George's fiancee dies from licking envelopes... again, I thought "and this is funny why?"

Barney Miller was the only sitcom I ever watched because I loved the characters. There's never been another like it.

41 posted on 06/27/2005 8:21:44 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Kitten Festival
I loved Seinfeld because it was totally un-pc. They didn't pick certain groups to make fun of, they made fun of everybody!
42 posted on 06/27/2005 8:22:00 AM PDT by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: k omalley
They didn't pick certain groups to make fun of, they made fun of everybody!

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

43 posted on 06/27/2005 8:22:56 AM PDT by kevkrom (“It’s good to remember whom people turn to when they’re desperate — and it ain’t Kofi Annan.”)
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To: Kitten Festival

Perfect Seinfeld people would never bother to go to the trouble of actually reading the article, as obviously most posters on this thread didn't.

He wasn't talking about politics per se, but about a general attitude about life--eerily similar to that of many liberals.


44 posted on 06/27/2005 8:23:05 AM PDT by altura
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To: Baynative
Elaine was way overboard in her PETA feminism.

Towards the end of the series Jerry asks her:

"What about the fur?"

To which she shrugs her shoulders and replies: "Uh know, who has the strength anymore {to object to people wearing fur}."

45 posted on 06/27/2005 8:26:22 AM PDT by MotleyGirl70 (Todd Gack. That's a nice name. What is that Dutch?)
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To: altura

I agree, the essay (I read about 2/3 of it) didn't seem to suggest that the show was propaganda for the DNC or anything, just that the characters displayed a lot of the same attitudes as real life liberals: selfish, picky, shallow, without direction, reactionary...


46 posted on 06/27/2005 8:27:30 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: RockinRight
Here it is.
47 posted on 06/27/2005 8:28:24 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Kitten Festival

The whole point of the show was that they were so self absorbed and shallow. I loved the show, but wouldn't want to be or know any of them in real life. I guess it was a Liberals Show!!


48 posted on 06/27/2005 8:28:34 AM PDT by BallyBill ("Yes Senator, as a matter of fact I AM questioning your Patriotism!!")
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To: kevkrom

Ha! I think George would lie and say he voted and then his girlfriend would ask him what he thought about such and such an amendment and then he would go into a panic attack. Don't forget, he lied about the contest and never admitted it until the last episode when the plane was going down.


49 posted on 06/27/2005 8:29:29 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: tallhappy
While occasional feints towards marriage were made (noticeably George’s relationship with Susan – which ended in George killing her)

That's not what happened in the show. This writer is not responsible.

He killed her accidentally by purchasing the cheapest wedding cards available, and they contained a poisoned gum, if I recall the episode correctly. She died because she had to lick all of them, (instead of using a sponge or whatever....)

50 posted on 06/27/2005 8:29:39 AM PDT by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God. Liberals think they are God." ---Ann Coulter)
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