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Beetle stalls erosion control along bay - Republicans push to overhaul Endangered Species Act
Baltimore Sun ^ | June 28, 2005 | Tom Pelton

Posted on 06/28/2005 1:23:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: GSWarrior
Why should a few homes stand in the way of a balanced eco-system?

Really. These people need some endangered plants growing along the top of the bank, imho.

41 posted on 06/28/2005 1:32:58 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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Why would someone build or buy a home atop a 60 foot cliff that is in danger of sliding down from erosion in the first place, be it from weather or an endangered beetle. People who build in wackadoo locations where mudslides rising tides wildfires etc lose the right to be "shocked" when something bad happens, and need to quit costing the rest of us money. I mean the obvious ones, im not belittling natural disasters, it would help with a picture.


42 posted on 06/28/2005 2:08:25 PM PDT by Nomad817
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
They can't tax bugs.

No, but everyone benefits from the good karma.

43 posted on 06/28/2005 2:27:46 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Smokin' Joe
....Really. These people need some endangered plants growing along the top of the bank, imho.

LOL.

Which would win?

Bugs or bushes?

44 posted on 06/28/2005 2:41:40 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Nomad817
Check out the nuke plant at Lusby (Calvert County, MD) and tell me.

A lot of those homes were built when there was no ESA and creosoted lumber seawalls were the norm.

I remember building such seawalls in the summer on the Potomac when I was 14-16, many years ago. The walls were effective at preventing erosion. Now they use salt treated lumber, where permitted.

Many areas no longer permit building or replacing the walls, or, in this case, emplacing rock revetments (which have become the main means of erosion control), so what was a home comfortably set back from the water, can, with a few substantial storms or just a couple of hurricanes (or years of slow erosion) end up teetering on the brink of a 60 ft. cliff.

The problem is not mudslides, but wave action (from storms and boat wakes) undercutting the base of the cliff. When waves have removed sufficient material from the base, the unsupported strata collapse and are eventually washed away. Stop the undercutting and stop the problem.

Apparently the endangered beetles are accelerating the process and are also the reason the homeowner (aside from the incredible plethora of other environmental regs) can do nothing to stop the erosion.

45 posted on 06/29/2005 12:33:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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From the article:

Atop the cliffs at Grove Point, Twohy for the past six years has enjoyed living in retirement with his wife in a 60-year-old white ranch-style house with a broad porch and stunning views of the northern bay. He said he doesn't know how much respect to give the puritans that breed on his property.

That shoreline can move a lot in 60 years.

46 posted on 06/29/2005 12:39:22 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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Clifftop homeowners' properties being threatened by government's refusal to allow correction of erosion problems???

...Does this sound familiar (SOS), or is it just me...?   ...The below references just ONE of the horror stories. There are MANY others, just here on the LEFT coast alone.

(Yes, it IS too bad that the 2002 decision referenced above was not upheld recently, by the higher court.)

47 posted on 06/29/2005 6:55:55 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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