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Allstate fires manager for Christian beliefs concerning homosexuality
AFA and World Net Daily ^ | June 28, 2005 | American Family Association

Posted on 06/28/2005 11:42:01 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER

Allstate has fired a manager because he expressed his Christian beliefs concerning homosexuality. Matt Barber was a manager in Allstate's Corporate Security Division. On his own time, and without identifying himself as an employee of Allstate, he wrote a column posted on several websites which was critical of same-sex marriage.

An outside homosexual group complained to Allstate about the column. Because of their support for the homosexual agenda, Barber was immediately fired and ushered off company property.

The message is clear: To work for Allstate one must not publicly express their Christian belief in the Bible's teaching on homosexuality. Barber was fired because he did. Homosexuals can criticize and condemn the Bible's teaching and they are welcomed, but Christians must remain silent.

TAKE ACTION

Allstate has sent a message to all their agents: If you are a Christian and believe the Bible's teaching on homosexuality, you will be fired. While Allstate touts its diversity, that diversity does not include Christian beliefs on homosexuality.

First, send Allstate Chairman Edward M. Liddy an email to register your complaint demanding both a public apology and reinstatement for Mr. Barber with back pay. Then call your local Allstate agent and tell him or her you will not be purchasing any insurance from them.

You can find a listing of Allstate agents in your area by clicking here . Tell the Allstate agent you will tell your friends about their disdain for Christians who believe the Bible's teaching on homosexuality.

Email Allstate Chairman Liddy Now!

Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman American Family Association


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afa; allstate; antichristian; bigotry; choice; fired; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; lifestyle; militant
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Gays hate it when you discriminate against their lifestyle choice for any reason especially when you have a constitutionally protected right to your religious belief. There is no evidence that this man did so but none the less when the militant left can shoot down some Bible believing Christian its ALL GOOD to them.
1 posted on 06/28/2005 11:42:07 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER
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To: ICE-FLYER

If he had an ounce of sense, he would have left his workplace and gone to the nearest lawyer's office. Allstate will pay for this one.


2 posted on 06/28/2005 11:44:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: ICE-FLYER

I think the termination was absolutely reasonable. How could a person work for Allstate and believe in God, too? (humor)


3 posted on 06/28/2005 11:45:13 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I am sure he will be in good hands.

(First really bad joke ping!)


4 posted on 06/28/2005 11:45:36 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Register to vote as a Dem! You get to vote in their primaries and it screws up their polling data!)
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To: ICE-FLYER

Allstate just committed suicide.


5 posted on 06/28/2005 11:45:47 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Spok

Maude Flanders: "Ned doens't believe in insurance - he sees it as a form of gambling."


6 posted on 06/28/2005 11:46:35 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Para espanol, marque el dos.")
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To: ICE-FLYER

If he associated the Allstate name with his letter, I might understand this. But seems like both Allstate and the complaining employee ought to be sued.


7 posted on 06/28/2005 11:46:35 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Blood of Tyrants

exactly he needs to sue! sue! sue! When these companies realize their discriminatory pro homo policies cost them in the purse they'll start to get straight.


8 posted on 06/28/2005 11:46:50 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Brilliant

This is Christian Hunting, Caligula style.


9 posted on 06/28/2005 11:47:42 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Personal Responsibility

And like a good neighbor..........nevermind.


10 posted on 06/28/2005 11:47:54 AM PDT by yobid
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To: massgopguy

I think that it could be a lawsuit against the guy who reported it, too. He intentionally interfered with the manager's contract with Allstate. Give him a taste of his own medicine.


11 posted on 06/28/2005 11:49:25 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: ICE-FLYER

Short story, my brother had a fender bender on a country road where a fellow with no insurance came around a blind curve too fast, crossed over the middle of the road and struck my brother head on. My brother filed a claim on his uninsured motorist policy since he only had liability and uninsured motorist coverage. Allstate then hired a lawyer to represent the GUY WHO RAN IN TO MY BROTHER so they wouldn't have to pay the $900 repair cost.

I dropped Allstate within the week.


12 posted on 06/28/2005 11:49:41 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: ICE-FLYER

Having a political life, including writing editorials and opinion pieces for public consumption, might be looked down on by workplaces that don't want to have to deal with your political life. Everyone should be aware of this risk.


13 posted on 06/28/2005 11:49:48 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ICE-FLYER
My e-mail message to Allstate's HQ:

Since you terminated Matt Barber's employment merely because of his Christian opposition to homosexual marriage, I will henceforce tell friends and family that Allstate is an anti-Christian company and that doing business with Allstate is tantamount to supporting religious bigotry.
14 posted on 06/28/2005 11:51:05 AM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: ICE-FLYER

If Archie Bunker were only here:

He would read the subject line, whince and say:

"Aw Jeeze!!"


15 posted on 06/28/2005 11:51:44 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: ICE-FLYER

This is religious-based discrimination, which is a federal civil rights violation.


16 posted on 06/28/2005 11:51:46 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Brilliant

How long before the ACLU steps up and sues Allstate?


17 posted on 06/28/2005 11:51:50 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: ICE-FLYER

He should give Allstate some aflac on this one....

How did they find out who he worked for.....


18 posted on 06/28/2005 11:52:24 AM PDT by johnk (faithful with little....)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If he had an ounce of sense, he would have left his workplace and gone to the nearest lawyer's office

I think Allstate was wrong but what possible case could this guy have (unless he's covered by state law)?

Private employer. They make the rules, for the most part. Especially if this state is an "at-will" employment state.

19 posted on 06/28/2005 11:52:28 AM PDT by gdani
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To: HairOfTheDog
Similar story, my dad had Allstate (NJ) for 33 years w/o a claim. He got into an accident and was dropped and had to go "high-risk".

Insurance companies suck.
20 posted on 06/28/2005 11:52:37 AM PDT by yobid
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To: yobid
Insurance companies suck.

I think everyone agrees about that ;~D

21 posted on 06/28/2005 11:53:44 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: gdani
I think Allstate was wrong but what possible case could this guy have (unless he's covered by state law)?

It is discrimination in hiring on the basis of religion, which is illegal in all 50 states.

22 posted on 06/28/2005 11:54:49 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

At will laws at work.


23 posted on 06/28/2005 11:55:52 AM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: ICE-FLYER

This:
"On his own time, and without identifying himself as an employee of Allstate, he wrote a column posted on several websites which was critical of same-sex marriage."

Doesn't jibe with this:

"An outside homosexual group complained to Allstate about the column."

If he was unidentified, how did the homos connect him to his company?


24 posted on 06/28/2005 11:56:02 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: Brilliant

No case there at all. The guy who reported it merely relayed factual information. I don't even see where the information could even be remotely considered secret.


25 posted on 06/28/2005 11:57:36 AM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Spok

It seems Alstate believes in God, because they sure don't cover "acts of God".

This Pee's me off. I'm cancelling my Alstate insurance TODAY.
I'll be sure to let them know that I can't use a company that curcumvents the constitution and restricts an emplyee's free speach and freedom of religion rights. ( I won't bother with the crappy insurance reasons, and i had this in mind regardless)


26 posted on 06/28/2005 11:58:44 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: gdani

We can't just continue to take it up our "best intentions" forever. We should honor men of morals and convictions like this guy appears to be. Hopefully he wasn't a hypocrite, that ran around spewing hatred and anger without and love in his heart for anybody. I was like that for a long time.

Anywho, unless some key points are left out of this story, it sounds like a slam sunk. Even in today's liberal (vile) atmosphere.


27 posted on 06/28/2005 12:00:44 PM PDT by johnk (faithful with little....)
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To: hispanichoosier

Please post the e-mail information so I can join you in sending an e-mail to them.

I would never use Allstate anyway but...


28 posted on 06/28/2005 12:01:07 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: hispanichoosier
henceforceP> henceforth?
29 posted on 06/28/2005 12:01:12 PM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Gefreiter

Maybe he gave his name, but not his occupation. If this is the case then the homo's are getting incredibly aggressive in squelching dissenting opinion. Scary!!


30 posted on 06/28/2005 12:02:13 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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To: wideawake
It is discrimination in hiring on the basis of religion, which is illegal in all 50 states

Except the guy already worked there. But I know what you mean.

Still, I don't think he's covered by Title VII. I may be wrong.

31 posted on 06/28/2005 12:02:30 PM PDT by gdani
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To: ICE-FLYER
Employers can fire people for whatever reason they like, more or less (or they SHOULD be allowed). They don't want this guy to work for him, for whatever reason? Fine with me--since when are we the ones saying government should be in the position to tell private companies who to hire and fire?

Consequently, these folks should also know that we as private citizens have every right to drop them as our insurers and spread the word that they are a No Christians Allowed zone, which hires and fires based on personal politics. If that's how they wanna play...

32 posted on 06/28/2005 12:03:12 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: Brilliant
Worse yet, the complaint wasn't even associated with Allstate:

An outside homosexual group complained to Allstate about the column.

Allstate should lose its collective shirt over this - blatant violation of civil rights.

33 posted on 06/28/2005 12:03:59 PM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: ICE-FLYER
I'll be happy to cancel my Allstate insurance (of many years) if this is true. How do I verify this is true and not attempted urban legend?
34 posted on 06/28/2005 12:04:32 PM PDT by GSHastings
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To: Melas

I don't see how that would be necessary under the law of most states. The only question is whether he knew that it would affect the contract between them, and he had no privilege to interfere.

My guess is that it was his intent to interfere. The best defense would probably be that he had a privilege, but if Allstate is held to have violated this guy's rights, I don't see how any privilege would apply.


35 posted on 06/28/2005 12:04:50 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Gefreiter; CO Gal

This story has been posted several times already. It turns out one site that posted the column, MensNewsDaily.com, added to the bio line on the article the fact that Barber worked for Allstate. He didn't put the line himself, nor did he consent for it to be added.


36 posted on 06/28/2005 12:05:07 PM PDT by TheBigB (Why yes, I -do- rock! Thanks for noticing!)
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To: Dr.Hilarious
Employers can fire people for whatever reason they like, more or less (or they SHOULD be allowed)

But they aren't allowed to fire anyone for their religion. Hence, the reason for the suit.

37 posted on 06/28/2005 12:05:42 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Blood of Tyrants
On the other side of the coin. My bro in law had an accident with another All State policy holder.

All State waived the deductible for both drivers.

38 posted on 06/28/2005 12:05:42 PM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: ICE-FLYER
This appears to be the closest thing to an e-mail address for Allstate: https://messaging.allstate.com/Corp/Corp_ProcessEmail.asp. It's a web form -- incorrectly called e-mail on this and far too many other websites -- for submitting comments to Allstate.

Oh, and the guy has filed a lawsuit over this.

While I think it was a stupid decision to fire him, I still maintain that the right of a business to terminate an employee when ever they feel like it, for what ever reason, should stand. The consequences for stupid and/or biased decisions should come from somewhere other than the legal system, IMO. Customers may express their opinions about the matter with their wallets.

39 posted on 06/28/2005 12:05:42 PM PDT by TChris ("You tweachewous miscweant!" -- Elmer Fudd)
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To: ICE-FLYER
I vaguely remembered reading the article he wrote. It can be found here. While he didn't claim affiliation or to be representative of Allstate in the article, it did mention his place of employment in the biographical byline at the end.

In my opinion that shouldn't be enough to warrant firing, but certainly solves the mystery of how the offended reader was able to know where he worked.

40 posted on 06/28/2005 12:08:16 PM PDT by Antonello
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But they aren't allowed to fire anyone for their religion

Sure they can. There's tons of ways an employee can be fired, disciplined, etc for practicing their religion.

Title VII only allows for some basic protections & there are many ways an employer can circumvent those.

41 posted on 06/28/2005 12:09:02 PM PDT by gdani
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To: ICE-FLYER
Here's one of the articles.

I support what Matt said and his right to say it. Where he goofed up is that he allowed the name of his employer to be associated with his article. See the information at the end of the article in MensNewsDaily.

J. Matt Barber is a non-practicing attorney, an undefeated heavyweight professional boxer (Matt "Bam Bam" Barber), and a professional jazz drummer in the Chicago Land (IL) area. In addition to his Law Degree, Barber holds a Master of Arts in Public Policy. Matt Works for Allstate Insurance Company as a Territorial Senior Manager in Allstate's Law and Regulation Corporate Security (Internal Fraud Investigations) Department.

I think this is grounds for a stern warning, but certainly not grounds for firing someone. If this had been a pro-deviant lifestyle article, or pro-jihadist screed, I'm doubtful that the employee would have even received a warning let alone get fired over it. So, I'm not excusing Allstate for their obvious political correctness, but Barber really opened himself up to having this happen to him.

42 posted on 06/28/2005 12:09:40 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Capn TrVth
Mom's Mabley once said that she did not have any life insurance. She said when she died she wanted it to be a sad day for everyone.
43 posted on 06/28/2005 12:10:22 PM PDT by pugdog
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To: ICE-FLYER

What happens when someone is fired for being pro-gay marriage? Has it been tried?


44 posted on 06/28/2005 12:12:20 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: ICE-FLYER

Well, good thing I don't use crooked Allstate anyway. I never have, I never will.

Thank God that I work for a place that doesn't care what I do and think on my time. Thankfully, my boss and I agree on most issues anyway.


45 posted on 06/28/2005 12:12:25 PM PDT by Outland (Some people are damned lucky that I don't have Bill Gates' checkbook.)
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To: Brilliant

There are no laws against "interfering" as you call it. Quite the contrary, you're free to voice your objections to either party in any contract at any time. If you have some factual information to divulge in the process, all the better. The only danger is if you invent something, at which point it becomes slander.


46 posted on 06/28/2005 12:12:29 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Personal Responsibility

When asked, I tell people my insurance carrier is: Allstatefarmbureau.


47 posted on 06/28/2005 12:13:03 PM PDT by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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To: Spiff
He didn't goof, really. MND did...

But how did the group connect Barber to the insurance company? It turns out one site that posted the column, MensNewsDaily.com, added to the bio line on the article the fact that Barber worked for Allstate. Barber says he did not include that fact in the original column submission but that the site "disclosed that without my knowledge or consent."

48 posted on 06/28/2005 12:13:37 PM PDT by TheBigB (Why yes, I -do- rock! Thanks for noticing!)
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To: Gefreiter

It's buried in the article, but apparently his bio accompanying the article identified him as an Allstate employee.

He did not get fired for his Christian views. He got fired for associating his company with his personal views (views that the company neither holds nor supports).



49 posted on 06/28/2005 12:17:20 PM PDT by dmz
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To: TheBigB

Well that adds a whole new layer to the story...


50 posted on 06/28/2005 12:18:00 PM PDT by Damocles ("This young century will be Liberty's century" - President Bush)
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