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Posted on 06/28/2005 1:02:59 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
US faces prison ship allegations The United Nations says it has learned of serious allegations that the US is secretly detaining terrorism suspects, notably on American military ships. The special rapporteur on torture Manfred Nowak said the accusations were rumours at this stage, but urged the US to co-operate in an investigation.
He said the UN wants lists of the places of detention and those held.
The comments come five days after the UN accused the US of stalling on their requests to visit Guantanamo Bay.
Investigators have been asking to visit the jail in Cuba to carry out checks into allegations of human rights abuse.
The UN said for over a year there had been no response to its requests, and it would begin an inquiry into alleged abuses with or without US co-operation.
Washington had yet to grant their request, Mr Nowak said.
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And I want the power of invisibility.
Now if the UN would just comment on those serious allegations that it's workers rape adolecents throughout Africa.
"The United Nations says it has learned of serious allegations that the US is secretly detaining terrorism suspects, notably on American military ships."
Ive long suspected as much, I hope I'm right.
I guess we can now explain the ravenous sharks down here in the gulf....
US running secret jails worldwide: Amnesty
BEIJING, June 6 -- The chief of Amnesty International USA alleged Sunday that the Guantanamo Bay detention camp is part of an "archipelago" of U.S. prisons worldwide, "many of them secret," where detainees are mistreated and even killed.
A weeks-long dispute has raged since England-based Amnesty International's report, released on May 25, cited "growing evidence of U.S. war crimes" and labeled the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay as "the gulag of our times."
"The U.S. is maintaining an archipelago of prisons around the world, many of them secret prisons, into which people are being literally disappeared, held in indefinite, incommunicado detention without access to lawyers or a judicial system or to their families," William Schulz, executive director of Amnesty's Washington-based branch, told "Fox News Sunday."
"And in some cases, at least, we know they are being mistreated, abused, tortured and even killed."
Schulz recently dubbed U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld an "apparent high-level architect of torture" in asserting he approved interrogation methods that violated international law.
"It would be fascinating to find out. I have no idea," Schulz said.
"The United States should be the one that should investigate those who are alleged at least to be architects of torture, not just the foot solders who may have inflicted the torture directly, but those who authorized it or encouraged it or provided rationales for it," he said.
Human Rights Watch said U.S. interrogators had inflicted religious humiliation on Muslim detainees, a violation of the Geneva Conventions.
The U.S. military on Friday released details about five cases in which the Koran was kicked, stepped on and soaked in water.
A Newsweek story in its issue dated May 9 reported that American military investigators had found evidence that interrogators at the Guantanamo prison facility had flushed a Koran down a toilet to get inmates there to talk.
The article, which was retracted by the magazine one week later, sparked violent protests in Afghanistan, where 16 were killed and more than 100 injured, Pakistan and other Muslim countries.
About 520 prisoners, most of whom were captured during the US-led war in Afghanistan, are still being held at Guantanamo Bay, and some of them have been detained there for more than three years without charges and access to lawyers. Enditem
Hey, UN! How does it feel to "want"?
Awwwwwww! The mean old USA. Shame on us.
Forgive me if I don't give a dang.
Where's the Ricky Ricardo picture when you need it ?
gee, thats too bad. Poor little terrorists. Lets dump em at sea, get rid of the "evidence"
And we (USA) want all the documents dealing with Oil for Cash (Food) and Kofi's resignation and UN out of US.
The media is beside itself trying to undermine this President.
I guess we can now explain the ravenous sharks down here in the gulf....
Take the prisoners far out to sea...throw them to the sharks....maybe it will make the shoreline safer for swimmers.
I say "piss" on the UN.
Stalling? Is that how they interpret the phrase "Kiss My Ass."
What a bunch of crock!
Let's just cut our funding of the UN and give them one year to find a new home.
We've housed/funded these perverts long enough.
As long as Manfred Nowak cooperates in the investigation of rumors that he's got a lust for goats and wears diapers while on the job, I think we can talk.
Well then, while they are in the area, how about visiting Mr. Castro's prisons?
I have to ask: What is a "special rapporteur?"
Is that another term for cub reporter? LOL
If you have not already done so, please sign the petition to get the stinking, corrupt to the core UN out of the USA. Let's help relocate these anti-American thugs to some 3rd world shithole where they belong.
They know the detainees are being torured and killed? They make allegations about prison ships, but don't have any proof they exists. Mo wonder these people are irrelevant, hust like the friggen UN.
They're probably the old MSTS troop ships. I made six crossings on these things, Seattle-Yokohama/Yokohama-Seattle. Two weeks at sea seemed like a year.
Trolling for sharks?
dubbed U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld an "apparent high-level architect of torture
This was said after his $2,000 contribution to the Kerry campaign, correct?
Personally, he had best never visit this part of Florida.
I'n tired of far leftist kooks openly supporting the dems, and the dems always stating that they aren't liberals, but are in fact, mainstream.
As for the ship thing, well, that's old news.
A little bird told me that Saddam was being kept on an aircraft carrier in the gulf for awhile.
Hope so....and I hope they're in the very belly of the ship suffering!!!! I know that's 'bout as ugly as it gets....but it's hard to control myself. ;o)
I hope that their goal of lowering the turnout in 06 and 08 doesn't work.
And I say that, while it's only a rumor that this guy secretly helped Michael Jackson seduce little boys, he ought to come clean and start his own investigation into the matter.
A thing made up to throw money at.
Ask the same question to China, VIetnam, Sudan, Niger, Libya, Cuba, Chad, Iran, Uraguay, Argentina...
(taking time to breath)
Paraguay, Angola, North Korea, Ereitrea, Somalia, Pakistan, Chechnya, Bos-Herz, Serbia...
(puff - pant - wheeze)
not to mention the rapist UN workers in Africa, Kofi Jr.'s "money-for-oil-for-food", and any other number of UN 3-card monty games...
(whew, I can rest now)
Was it the The Good Ship Lollipop?
Where are we supposed to hold them?
None of them care one whit about one thing other than their anti US agenda. Period.
I have just as much evidence for this allegation as the "rapportuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure" form the UN.
Manfred Nowak appointed UN Special Rapporteur on Torture
Ah, yes, the BBC, that bastion of all things anti-American! If they really want to report horrible acts of brutality on prison ships, they should learn what happened to Allied prisoners of war on Japanese prison ships during World War II!
Sometimes I wonder why we spent so much blood and treasure to save a country that is chiefly noted for bad food, bad manners, bad teeth, bad weather, and socialized medicine.
Prison ship is a great idea. When we're done questioning them lets fill the ship up and sink it.
By Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu
FrontPageMagazine.com | June 27, 2005
Last week, I was privileged to be part of a Department of Defense trip to the Joint Task Force - Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I got to see the operations of this ?controversial? facility up-close ? something particularly important after Sen. Richard Durbin?s comparison of its guard to Nazi stormtroopers and calls of leftists to shut the center down. Our group went to GITMO to check out tales that the military was being too tough on these terrorist detainees. We left convinced that America is being extraordinarily lenient ? far too lenient.
After speaking with soldiers, sailors, and civilians who collectively staff Gitmo, I left convinced that abuse definitely exists at the detention facilities, and it typically fails to receive the press attention it deserves: it?s the relentless, merciless attacks on American servicemen and women by these terrorist thugs. Many of the orange jumpsuit-clad detainees fight their captors at every opportunity, openly bragging of their desire to kill Americans. One has promised that, if released, he would find MPs in their homes through the internet, break into their houses at night, and ?cut the throats of them and their families like sheep.? Others claim authority and vindication to kill women, children, and other innocents who oppose their jihadist mission authorized by the Koran (the same one that hangs in every cell from a specially-designed holder intended to protect it from a touching the cell floor ? all provided at U.S. taxpayer expense). One detainee was heard to tell another: ?One day I will enjoy sucking American blood, although their blood is bitter, undrinkable?.? These recalcitrant detainees are known euphemistically as being ?non-compliant.? They attack guards whenever the soldiers enter their cells, trying to reach up under protective facemasks to gouge eyes and tear mouths. They make weapons and try to stab the guards or grab and break limbs as the guards pass them food.
We dined with the soldiers, toured several of the individual holding camps, observed interrogations, and inspected cells. We were impressed by the universally high quality of the cadre and the facilities. While it may not be exactly ?Club GITMO,? as Rush Limbaugh uses to tweak the hard-Left critics who haven?t a clue about reality here, GITMO is a far cry from the harshness experienced even by maximum security prisoners in the U.S.
Meals for detainees are ample: we lunched on what several thought was an accumulated single day?s ration for detainees. ?No,? the contract food service manager said with a laugh, ?what you?re looking at there is today?s lunch. A single meal. They get three a day like that.? The vegetables, pita bread, and other well-prepared food filled two of the large Styrofoam take-home containers we see in restaurants. Several prisoners have special meal orders like ?no tomatoes? or ?no peanut products? depending on taste or allergies. ?One prisoner,? General Hood said, ?throws back his food tray if it contains things he has specifically said he doesn?t want.? How is he punished for this outrageous behavior? His tray is numbered, the food he requested is put on it, and the corrected ?order? is delivered to his cell.
The detainees are similarly catered to medically. Almost every one arrived at GITMO with some sort of battlefield trauma. After all, the majority were captured in combat. Today they are healthy, immunized, and well cared for. At a visit to the modern hospital facility ? dedicated solely to the detainees and comparable to a well-equipped and staffed small-town hospital with operating, dental, routine facilities ? the doctor in charge confirmed that the caloric count for the detainees was so high that while ?most detainees arrived undernourished,? medics now watch for issues stemming from high cholesterol and being overweight. Each of approximately 520 terrorists currently held in confinement averages about four medical visits monthly, something one would expect from only a dedicated American hypochondriac. Welcome to the rigors of detention under American supervision.
Of the estimated 70,000 battlefield captures that were made in Afghanistan, only a tiny percentage, something on the order of 800-plus, were eventually evacuated to GITMO. These were the worst of the worst. More than 200 have been released back to their home country ? if the U.S. is assured that the detainees would not be tortured by local authorities upon return. These men were freed because they were deemed by ongoing official military review processes to no longer pose a threat, or to possess no useful intelligence. And this process has proven too generous at times: more than 10 released GITMO detainees have been killed or recaptured fighting Americans or have been identified as resuming terrorist activities. Still, the process is up and running for review of cases, and if a Washington DC circuit court approves a government appeal, the system for military tribunals will get started. All mechanisms are in place and ready to go as soon as DoD gets a green light.
There is a good reason these unlawful combatants are being confined. They are evil and dangerous individuals. Yet these thugs are treated with an amazing degree of compassion: They are given ice cream treats and recreational time. They live in clean facilities, and receive a full Muslim religious package of Koran, prayer rug, beads, and prayer oils. An arrow in every cell points to Mecca. The call to prayer is played five times daily. They are not abused, hanged, tortured, beheaded, raped, mutilated, or in any way treated the way that they once treated their own captives ? or now treat their guards.
Some questioned whether it were wise to give these radical Islamic fundamentalists the religious supplies that ended up landing them in Gitmo in the first place. ?Giving them the Koran is simply something that we think we ought to do as a humane gesture,? said second-in-command Brigadier General Gong. ?We?re Americans. That?s how we operate.?
When we challenged military authorities about the seemingly plush environs these would-be murderers receive, the commanding officers stated this was the most productive course. JTF-GITMO commanding officer Brigadier General Jay Hood radiated confidence and determination when fielding challenges from our group about his overly lenient treatment. ?It works,? he says simply. ?We do not allow torture or mistreatment, period.? How to they guarantee this? By rigorous, on-going training and constant oversight up and down the supervisory chain. As proof that ?establishing rapport? with the detainees is far more effective than coercive techniques, General Hood refers skeptics to the massive amount of usable intelligence information JTF-GITMO continues to produce even three years into the program.
You are right to worry about inhumane treatment taking place at GITMO. But your concern should be for the dedicated, well-trained, highly professional American men and women who are subjected to a daily barrage of feces, urine, semen, and spit hurled at them along with vile invective as they implement a humane, enlightened system of confinement on men who want nothing more than to kill Americans. These quiet professional Americans, who live under the motto ?Honor Bound for Defense of Freedom,? deserve our utmost respect and concern. Shame on anyone who slanders or disrespects them for short-term and short-sighted political advantage.
Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu has been an Army Green Beret lieutenant colonel, as well as a writer, popular speaker, business executive and farmer. His most recent book is Separated at Birth, about North and South Korea.
John Kline: Gitmo patriots deserve our respect
June 27, 2005
On Tuesday, Sen. Dick Durbin finally apologized on the floor of the U.S. Senate for his odious mischaracterization of our U.S. military personnel serving at Guantanamo Bay. His apology came in response to the wake-up call from a chorus of critics who highlighted the offense and disgrace of his remarks. Unfortunately, the Star Tribune remains asleep.
In a recent editorial, the Star Tribune characterized as "spot on" Durbin's comparison of U.S. military personnel conduct toward detainees at Guantanamo Bay to the genocide and atrocities committed by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, and Pol Pot.
Your commendation of statements which so clearly dishonor our servicemen and women and diminish the true suffering of the millions of victims of those regimes of terror is shocking. Your description of organizations and individuals such as the Anti-Defamation League and Democratic Chicago Major Richard Daley as an "orchestrated right-wing smear effort" is equally surprising.
I agree our focus should be on the "truth Americans need to hear." Let us consider just a few notable truths.
Truth: Since Sept. 11, 2001, more than 70,000 detainees have been captured in Afghanistan and Iraq. The vast majority have been released. Of those individuals who remain, approximately 800 suspected Al-Qaida or Taliban terrorist trainers, bombmakers, terrorist financiers and would-be suicide bombers have been sent to Guantanamo Bay. Already 235 of these individuals have been released or transferred, and an additional 61 await release or transfer.
Truth: The detainees at Guantanamo Bay are not being held arbitrarily. Each of the detainees has received a tribunal review consistent with Supreme Court rulings. At least once per year, the detainees receive an additional review by an administrative review board, based on threat, for possible release.
Truth: Officials at Guantanamo have provided unprecedented access and transparency since 2002. The International Committee of the Red Cross has been granted 24/7 access to the facility. More than 1,000 national and international journalists have made over 400 visits to Guantanamo.
Truth: A captured Al-Qaida training manual (the Manchester Document) instructs members to allege abuse and torture if captured.
Truth: Intelligence gained at Guantanamo Bay has prevented terrorist attacks and saved American lives. Through questioning at Guantatamo bay, U.S. military personnel have learned a great deal about the organizational structure of Al-Qaida and other terrorist groups; the extent of terrorist presence in the United States, Europe and the Middle East; methods of terrorist recruitment; and how legitimate financial activities have been used to hide terrorist operations.
In light of these truths, it is curious that allegations of abuse by well-trained enemy combatants should be more readily accepted than the word of our men and women in uniform who serve -- and have previously served -- our country at Guantanamo.
These patriots deserve our respect and gratitude. They are doing an excellent job of uncovering truths which will help keep America safe -- and this is the truth Americans need to hear.
John Kline, a Republican, represents Minnesota's Second Congressional District.
And, the U.S. wants to know the depth of the oil for food scandal. Want in one hand and poop in the other and see which one fills up first!
As far as detainees on ships, if they are really there, the ships now have unlimited chum!
Back to the gulag comment, again. AI has lost whatever credibility they had.
If I'm not mistaken this is the same bunch that accused Israel of commiting a "massacre" in Jenin. When it turned out that AI had been "had" by the PA, not one word of apology to the Israelis.
They can take a long walk of a short pier as far as I am concerned.
It's all part of a campaign to attack Bush. On the day of a big speech there are two stories about abuses at camp X-ray and gitmo and now this prison ship thing.
By the way did Kofi give the investigators access to his Swiss bank account? Tell the UN to get out of America.
The BBC is now reporting rumors on their front pages against the U.S.,BIAS? WHAT BIAS? Nevermind a little thing called going to print with FACTS AND SOURCES.