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Posted on 06/28/2005 1:02:59 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

US faces prison ship allegations The United Nations says it has learned of serious allegations that the US is secretly detaining terrorism suspects, notably on American military ships. The special rapporteur on torture Manfred Nowak said the accusations were rumours at this stage, but urged the US to co-operate in an investigation.

He said the UN wants lists of the places of detention and those held.

The comments come five days after the UN accused the US of stalling on their requests to visit Guantanamo Bay.

Investigators have been asking to visit the jail in Cuba to carry out checks into allegations of human rights abuse.

The UN said for over a year there had been no response to its requests, and it would begin an inquiry into alleged abuses with or without US co-operation.

Washington had yet to grant their request, Mr Nowak said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 06/28/2005 1:03:02 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
He said the UN wants lists of the places of detention and those held.

And I want the power of invisibility.

2 posted on 06/28/2005 1:04:22 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Now if the UN would just comment on those serious allegations that it's workers rape adolecents throughout Africa.


3 posted on 06/28/2005 1:05:15 PM PDT by kharaku (G3)
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To: Sub-Driver

"The United Nations says it has learned of serious allegations that the US is secretly detaining terrorism suspects, notably on American military ships."


Ive long suspected as much, I hope I'm right.


4 posted on 06/28/2005 1:05:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: dead

I guess we can now explain the ravenous sharks down here in the gulf....


5 posted on 06/28/2005 1:05:46 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Sub-Driver
Here is another knee slapper from Human Rights NUTS!

US running secret jails worldwide: Amnesty

BEIJING, June 6 -- The chief of Amnesty International USA alleged Sunday that the Guantanamo Bay detention camp is part of an "archipelago" of U.S. prisons worldwide, "many of them secret," where detainees are mistreated and even killed.

    A weeks-long dispute has raged since England-based Amnesty International's report, released on May 25, cited "growing evidence of U.S. war crimes" and labeled the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay as "the gulag of our times."

    "The U.S. is maintaining an archipelago of prisons around the world, many of them secret prisons, into which people are being literally disappeared, held in indefinite, incommunicado detention without access to lawyers or a judicial system or to their families," William Schulz, executive director of Amnesty's Washington-based branch, told "Fox News Sunday."

    "And in some cases, at least, we know they are being mistreated, abused, tortured and even killed."

    Schulz recently dubbed U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld an "apparent high-level architect of torture" in asserting he approved interrogation methods that violated international law.

    "It would be fascinating to find out. I have no idea," Schulz said.

    "The United States should be the one that should investigate those who are alleged at least to be architects of torture, not just the foot solders who may have inflicted the torture directly, but those who authorized it or encouraged it or provided rationales for it," he said.

    Human Rights Watch said U.S. interrogators had inflicted religious humiliation on Muslim detainees, a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

    The U.S. military on Friday released details about five cases in which the Koran was kicked, stepped on and soaked in water. 

    A Newsweek story in its issue dated May 9 reported that American military investigators had found evidence that interrogators at the Guantanamo prison facility had flushed a Koran down a toilet to get inmates there to talk.

    The article, which was retracted by the magazine one week later, sparked violent protests in Afghanistan, where 16 were killed and more than 100 injured, Pakistan and other Muslim countries.

    About 520 prisoners, most of whom were captured during the US-led war in Afghanistan, are still being held at Guantanamo Bay, and some of them have been detained there for more than three years without charges and access to lawyers. Enditem

6 posted on 06/28/2005 1:05:49 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hey, UN! How does it feel to "want"?

Awwwwwww! The mean old USA. Shame on us.
(Heavy sarcasm)

Forgive me if I don't give a dang.



7 posted on 06/28/2005 1:06:13 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Sub-Driver

Where's the Ricky Ricardo picture when you need it ?


8 posted on 06/28/2005 1:07:14 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Sub-Driver

gee, thats too bad. Poor little terrorists. Lets dump em at sea, get rid of the "evidence"


9 posted on 06/28/2005 1:07:17 PM PDT by Pondman88
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To: Sub-Driver

And we (USA) want all the documents dealing with Oil for Cash (Food) and Kofi's resignation and UN out of US.


10 posted on 06/28/2005 1:07:25 PM PDT by LavaDog (U.S. Marines ... Best Friend ... Worst Enemy)
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To: Sub-Driver

The media is beside itself trying to undermine this President.


12 posted on 06/28/2005 1:08:01 PM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: Sub-Driver
Manfred Nowak, formally member of Manfred Mann's Earth Band.
13 posted on 06/28/2005 1:08:22 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline snapped the last time the MSM blew smoke up my ass. Now its gone forever.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I guess we can now explain the ravenous sharks down here in the gulf....

***

Take the prisoners far out to sea...throw them to the sharks....maybe it will make the shoreline safer for swimmers.


14 posted on 06/28/2005 1:09:08 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Sub-Driver

I say "piss" on the UN.


15 posted on 06/28/2005 1:09:11 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: Sub-Driver
Here's your Ship U.N! The S.S. Minnow


16 posted on 06/28/2005 1:09:53 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Sub-Driver
The comments come five days after the UN accused the US of stalling on their requests to visit Guantanamo Bay.

Stalling? Is that how they interpret the phrase "Kiss My Ass."

17 posted on 06/28/2005 1:09:53 PM PDT by Casloy
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To: Sub-Driver
We ought to moor a couple prison hulks in the East River...right off Turtle Bay...and give then something real to complain about
18 posted on 06/28/2005 1:10:46 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: Sub-Driver

What a bunch of crock!


19 posted on 06/28/2005 1:11:00 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: LavaDog

Let's just cut our funding of the UN and give them one year to find a new home.

We've housed/funded these perverts long enough.


20 posted on 06/28/2005 1:11:13 PM PDT by Carling (FReemail me if you want articles that interest, well...me!)
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To: Sub-Driver
The special rapporteur on torture Manfred Nowak said the accusations were rumours at this stage, but urged the US to co-operate in an investigation.

As long as Manfred Nowak cooperates in the investigation of rumors that he's got a lust for goats and wears diapers while on the job, I think we can talk.

21 posted on 06/28/2005 1:11:18 PM PDT by Dahoser (The UN makes Mos Eisley Spaceport look like a clean room.)
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To: Sub-Driver
The comments come five days after the UN accused the US of stalling on their requests to visit Guantanamo Bay.

Well then, while they are in the area, how about visiting Mr. Castro's prisons?

22 posted on 06/28/2005 1:11:21 PM PDT by Casloy
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To: All

I have to ask: What is a "special rapporteur?"

Is that another term for cub reporter? LOL


23 posted on 06/28/2005 1:11:38 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Sub-Driver

If you have not already done so, please sign the petition to get the stinking, corrupt to the core UN out of the USA. Let's help relocate these anti-American thugs to some 3rd world shithole where they belong.

http://moveamericaforward.org/?Page=Petition


24 posted on 06/28/2005 1:12:27 PM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: Sub-Driver

They know the detainees are being torured and killed? They make allegations about prison ships, but don't have any proof they exists. Mo wonder these people are irrelevant, hust like the friggen UN.


25 posted on 06/28/2005 1:13:00 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Gator101

They're probably the old MSTS troop ships. I made six crossings on these things, Seattle-Yokohama/Yokohama-Seattle. Two weeks at sea seemed like a year.


26 posted on 06/28/2005 1:14:08 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Sub-Driver

Trolling for sharks?


27 posted on 06/28/2005 1:15:14 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Sub-Driver

dubbed U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld an "apparent high-level architect of torture

This was said after his $2,000 contribution to the Kerry campaign, correct?

Personally, he had best never visit this part of Florida.
I'n tired of far leftist kooks openly supporting the dems, and the dems always stating that they aren't liberals, but are in fact, mainstream.

As for the ship thing, well, that's old news.
A little bird told me that Saddam was being kept on an aircraft carrier in the gulf for awhile.


28 posted on 06/28/2005 1:15:42 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Sub-Driver

Hope so....and I hope they're in the very belly of the ship suffering!!!! I know that's 'bout as ugly as it gets....but it's hard to control myself. ;o)


29 posted on 06/28/2005 1:15:54 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Sub-Driver
Does the U.N. want lists of where terrorists are holding captives and the names of those that cut off heads? Why not? How about the AI freak show, do they want the right to inspect terrorist's captives?

What's the U.N. and AI doing about Zimbabwe and how about inspecting some of Mugabe's prisons. Bet that would be funny. Isn't Mugabe Chiraq's good bud? Real genocide, we don't see no genocide. The U.N. is less than useless.
30 posted on 06/28/2005 1:16:38 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: OldFriend

I hope that their goal of lowering the turnout in 06 and 08 doesn't work.


31 posted on 06/28/2005 1:16:48 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Sub-Driver
The special rapporteur on torture Manfred Nowak said the accusations were rumours at this stage, but urged the US to co-operate in an investigation.

And I say that, while it's only a rumor that this guy secretly helped Michael Jackson seduce little boys, he ought to come clean and start his own investigation into the matter.

32 posted on 06/28/2005 1:17:45 PM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: fatnotlazy

A thing made up to throw money at.


33 posted on 06/28/2005 1:18:30 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Sub-Driver
He said the UN wants lists of the places of detention and those held.

Ask the same question to China, VIetnam, Sudan, Niger, Libya, Cuba, Chad, Iran, Uraguay, Argentina...

(taking time to breath)

Paraguay, Angola, North Korea, Ereitrea, Somalia, Pakistan, Chechnya, Bos-Herz, Serbia...

(puff - pant - wheeze)

not to mention the rapist UN workers in Africa, Kofi Jr.'s "money-for-oil-for-food", and any other number of UN 3-card monty games...

(whew, I can rest now)

34 posted on 06/28/2005 1:18:50 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Follow Sarge on His Most Excellent Adventure - on Freerepublic.com!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Was it the The Good Ship Lollipop?


35 posted on 06/28/2005 1:19:53 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline snapped the last time the MSM blew smoke up my ass. Now its gone forever.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Where are we supposed to hold them?


36 posted on 06/28/2005 1:20:16 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Tarpon

None of them care one whit about one thing other than their anti US agenda. Period.


37 posted on 06/28/2005 1:20:37 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Sub-Driver
The United Nations says it has learned of serious allegations that the US is secretly detaining terrorism suspects, notably in zip lock bags in the crisper drawer of Maytag refrigerators. The special rapporteur on torture Manfred Nowak said the accusations were rumours at this stage, but urged the US to co-operate in an investigation.

I have just as much evidence for this allegation as the "rapportuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure" form the UN.

38 posted on 06/28/2005 1:22:37 PM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: trebb

Manfred Nowak appointed UN Special Rapporteur on Torture




Subject: [prisoner-rights] Manfred Nowak appointed UN Special Rapporteur on Torture
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:44:40 +0100




UNITED NATIONS
Press Release
24 November 2004

United Nations Commission on Human Rights Chairman Mike Smith has
appointed Manfred Nowak of Austria as Special Rapporteur on torture. The
appointment was made on 23 November in consultation with representatives
of the different regional groups in the Commission.

Prof. Nowak is Professor of Constitutional Law and Human Rights at the
University of Vienna and Director of the Ludwig Boltzmann Institute of
Human Rights (BIM). He has served as Judge at the Human Rights Chamber for
Bosnia and Herzegovina in Sarajevo.

Prof. Nowak was a member of the Austrian delegation to the Commission on
Human Rights for many years before being appointed in 1993 as expert
member of the United Nations Working Group on Enforced and Involuntary
Disappearances. During this term he also served as United Nations expert
on missing persons in the former Yugoslavia. In 2001 he was appointed to
study legal issues relating to the drafting of a binding instrument on
enforced disappearances......................

snip


39 posted on 06/28/2005 1:24:40 PM PDT by americanbychoice2
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To: Sub-Driver

Ah, yes, the BBC, that bastion of all things anti-American! If they really want to report horrible acts of brutality on prison ships, they should learn what happened to Allied prisoners of war on Japanese prison ships during World War II!

Sometimes I wonder why we spent so much blood and treasure to save a country that is chiefly noted for bad food, bad manners, bad teeth, bad weather, and socialized medicine.


40 posted on 06/28/2005 1:24:51 PM PDT by billnaz (Retired Soldier and Proud NRA member.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Prison ship is a great idea. When we're done questioning them lets fill the ship up and sink it.


41 posted on 06/28/2005 1:24:58 PM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: Sub-Driver

By Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu
FrontPageMagazine.com | June 27, 2005


Last week, I was privileged to be part of a Department of Defense trip to the Joint Task Force - Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I got to see the operations of this ?controversial? facility up-close ? something particularly important after Sen. Richard Durbin?s comparison of its guard to Nazi stormtroopers and calls of leftists to shut the center down. Our group went to GITMO to check out tales that the military was being too tough on these terrorist detainees. We left convinced that America is being extraordinarily lenient ? far too lenient.


After speaking with soldiers, sailors, and civilians who collectively staff Gitmo, I left convinced that abuse definitely exists at the detention facilities, and it typically fails to receive the press attention it deserves: it?s the relentless, merciless attacks on American servicemen and women by these terrorist thugs. Many of the orange jumpsuit-clad detainees fight their captors at every opportunity, openly bragging of their desire to kill Americans. One has promised that, if released, he would find MPs in their homes through the internet, break into their houses at night, and ?cut the throats of them and their families like sheep.? Others claim authority and vindication to kill women, children, and other innocents who oppose their jihadist mission authorized by the Koran (the same one that hangs in every cell from a specially-designed holder intended to protect it from a touching the cell floor ? all provided at U.S. taxpayer expense). One detainee was heard to tell another: ?One day I will enjoy sucking American blood, although their blood is bitter, undrinkable?.? These recalcitrant detainees are known euphemistically as being ?non-compliant.? They attack guards whenever the soldiers enter their cells, trying to reach up under protective facemasks to gouge eyes and tear mouths. They make weapons and try to stab the guards or grab and break limbs as the guards pass them food.
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We dined with the soldiers, toured several of the individual holding camps, observed interrogations, and inspected cells. We were impressed by the universally high quality of the cadre and the facilities. While it may not be exactly ?Club GITMO,? as Rush Limbaugh uses to tweak the hard-Left critics who haven?t a clue about reality here, GITMO is a far cry from the harshness experienced even by maximum security prisoners in the U.S.
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Meals for detainees are ample: we lunched on what several thought was an accumulated single day?s ration for detainees. ?No,? the contract food service manager said with a laugh, ?what you?re looking at there is today?s lunch. A single meal. They get three a day like that.? The vegetables, pita bread, and other well-prepared food filled two of the large Styrofoam take-home containers we see in restaurants. Several prisoners have special meal orders like ?no tomatoes? or ?no peanut products? depending on taste or allergies. ?One prisoner,? General Hood said, ?throws back his food tray if it contains things he has specifically said he doesn?t want.? How is he punished for this outrageous behavior? His tray is numbered, the food he requested is put on it, and the corrected ?order? is delivered to his cell.
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The detainees are similarly catered to medically. Almost every one arrived at GITMO with some sort of battlefield trauma. After all, the majority were captured in combat. Today they are healthy, immunized, and well cared for. At a visit to the modern hospital facility ? dedicated solely to the detainees and comparable to a well-equipped and staffed small-town hospital with operating, dental, routine facilities ? the doctor in charge confirmed that the caloric count for the detainees was so high that while ?most detainees arrived undernourished,? medics now watch for issues stemming from high cholesterol and being overweight. Each of approximately 520 terrorists currently held in confinement averages about four medical visits monthly, something one would expect from only a dedicated American hypochondriac. Welcome to the rigors of detention under American supervision.
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Of the estimated 70,000 battlefield captures that were made in Afghanistan, only a tiny percentage, something on the order of 800-plus, were eventually evacuated to GITMO. These were the worst of the worst. More than 200 have been released back to their home country ? if the U.S. is assured that the detainees would not be tortured by local authorities upon return. These men were freed because they were deemed by ongoing official military review processes to no longer pose a threat, or to possess no useful intelligence. And this process has proven too generous at times: more than 10 released GITMO detainees have been killed or recaptured fighting Americans or have been identified as resuming terrorist activities. Still, the process is up and running for review of cases, and if a Washington DC circuit court approves a government appeal, the system for military tribunals will get started. All mechanisms are in place and ready to go as soon as DoD gets a green light.
?

There is a good reason these unlawful combatants are being confined. They are evil and dangerous individuals. Yet these thugs are treated with an amazing degree of compassion: They are given ice cream treats and recreational time. They live in clean facilities, and receive a full Muslim religious package of Koran, prayer rug, beads, and prayer oils. An arrow in every cell points to Mecca. The call to prayer is played five times daily. They are not abused, hanged, tortured, beheaded, raped, mutilated, or in any way treated the way that they once treated their own captives ? or now treat their guards.
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Some questioned whether it were wise to give these radical Islamic fundamentalists the religious supplies that ended up landing them in Gitmo in the first place. ?Giving them the Koran is simply something that we think we ought to do as a humane gesture,? said second-in-command Brigadier General Gong. ?We?re Americans. That?s how we operate.?
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When we challenged military authorities about the seemingly plush environs these would-be murderers receive, the commanding officers stated this was the most productive course. JTF-GITMO commanding officer Brigadier General Jay Hood radiated confidence and determination when fielding challenges from our group about his overly lenient treatment. ?It works,? he says simply. ?We do not allow torture or mistreatment, period.? How to they guarantee this? By rigorous, on-going training and constant oversight up and down the supervisory chain. As proof that ?establishing rapport? with the detainees is far more effective than coercive techniques, General Hood refers skeptics to the massive amount of usable intelligence information JTF-GITMO continues to produce even three years into the program.
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You are right to worry about inhumane treatment taking place at GITMO. But your concern should be for the dedicated, well-trained, highly professional American men and women who are subjected to a daily barrage of feces, urine, semen, and spit hurled at them along with vile invective as they implement a humane, enlightened system of confinement on men who want nothing more than to kill Americans. These quiet professional Americans, who live under the motto ?Honor Bound for Defense of Freedom,? deserve our utmost respect and concern. Shame on anyone who slanders or disrespects them for short-term and short-sighted political advantage.


Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu has been an Army Green Beret lieutenant colonel, as well as a writer, popular speaker, business executive and farmer. His most recent book is Separated at Birth, about North and South Korea.








John Kline: Gitmo patriots deserve our respect
John Kline
June 27, 2005
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On Tuesday, Sen. Dick Durbin finally apologized on the floor of the U.S. Senate for his odious mischaracterization of our U.S. military personnel serving at Guantanamo Bay. His apology came in response to the wake-up call from a chorus of critics who highlighted the offense and disgrace of his remarks. Unfortunately, the Star Tribune remains asleep.

In a recent editorial, the Star Tribune characterized as "spot on" Durbin's comparison of U.S. military personnel conduct toward detainees at Guantanamo Bay to the genocide and atrocities committed by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, and Pol Pot.

Your commendation of statements which so clearly dishonor our servicemen and women and diminish the true suffering of the millions of victims of those regimes of terror is shocking. Your description of organizations and individuals such as the Anti-Defamation League and Democratic Chicago Major Richard Daley as an "orchestrated right-wing smear effort" is equally surprising.

I agree our focus should be on the "truth Americans need to hear." Let us consider just a few notable truths.
Truth: Since Sept. 11, 2001, more than 70,000 detainees have been captured in Afghanistan and Iraq. The vast majority have been released. Of those individuals who remain, approximately 800 suspected Al-Qaida or Taliban terrorist trainers, bombmakers, terrorist financiers and would-be suicide bombers have been sent to Guantanamo Bay. Already 235 of these individuals have been released or transferred, and an additional 61 await release or transfer.

Truth: The detainees at Guantanamo Bay are not being held arbitrarily. Each of the detainees has received a tribunal review consistent with Supreme Court rulings. At least once per year, the detainees receive an additional review by an administrative review board, based on threat, for possible release.

Truth: Officials at Guantanamo have provided unprecedented access and transparency since 2002. The International Committee of the Red Cross has been granted 24/7 access to the facility. More than 1,000 national and international journalists have made over 400 visits to Guantanamo.

Truth: A captured Al-Qaida training manual (the Manchester Document) instructs members to allege abuse and torture if captured.

Truth: Intelligence gained at Guantanamo Bay has prevented terrorist attacks and saved American lives. Through questioning at Guantatamo bay, U.S. military personnel have learned a great deal about the organizational structure of Al-Qaida and other terrorist groups; the extent of terrorist presence in the United States, Europe and the Middle East; methods of terrorist recruitment; and how legitimate financial activities have been used to hide terrorist operations.

In light of these truths, it is curious that allegations of abuse by well-trained enemy combatants should be more readily accepted than the word of our men and women in uniform who serve -- and have previously served -- our country at Guantanamo.

These patriots deserve our respect and gratitude. They are doing an excellent job of uncovering truths which will help keep America safe -- and this is the truth Americans need to hear.

John Kline, a Republican, represents Minnesota's Second Congressional District.




42 posted on 06/28/2005 1:25:00 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Sub-Driver
He said the UN wants lists of the places of detention and those held.

And, the U.S. wants to know the depth of the oil for food scandal. Want in one hand and poop in the other and see which one fills up first!

As far as detainees on ships, if they are really there, the ships now have unlimited chum!

43 posted on 06/28/2005 1:25:05 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: All
"The U.S. is maintaining an archipelago of prisons around the world..."

Back to the gulag comment, again. AI has lost whatever credibility they had.

If I'm not mistaken this is the same bunch that accused Israel of commiting a "massacre" in Jenin. When it turned out that AI had been "had" by the PA, not one word of apology to the Israelis.

They can take a long walk of a short pier as far as I am concerned.

44 posted on 06/28/2005 1:27:00 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
What do you bet that these rumored ships are US Hospital ships?

Here is how it works. Some "unnamed source" (terrorist) gets wounded and captured. We treat him on a hospital ship and after he recovers he is moved to a prison. In his recounting of the episode this hospital ship becomes a "secret prison ship" where the Koran was probably flushed down the head every day and, Allah forbid!, women were present. The leftist media and the UN are all to happy to lap this up and regale us with tales of torture.
45 posted on 06/28/2005 1:29:19 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: sofaman

It's all part of a campaign to attack Bush. On the day of a big speech there are two stories about abuses at camp X-ray and gitmo and now this prison ship thing.


46 posted on 06/28/2005 1:31:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: Sub-Driver
What is up with these UN and Amnesty International officials? I mean if the United States is running a series of Gulag death camps and murdering millions of innocent women and children there should be no shortage of evidence. Why do they keep relying on rumors? Amnesty International and the United Nations have completely lost their credibility.

Amnesty International's credibility is so shot I am beginning to feel bad about some amnesty letters I wrote for them 15 years ago. I relied on their reports and now I am beginning to think they really are just another Marxist, socialist U.S. hating organization.

Just curious but does anyone know when the UN is going to: pay reparations for its raping of hundreds of barely teenage girls in Africa, confess to the Oil for Food scandal and imprison Kofi Annan and his son, start enforcing its own security resolutions, stop demonizing the U.S. and Israel, and quit appointing terrorist countries to chair its Human Rights Commission? Enquiring minds want to know.
47 posted on 06/28/2005 1:31:19 PM PDT by daviscupper
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I am sick of the UN - they want want want - want to go to Gitmo? Fine go ahead - we are not paying one cent for your trip and I hope you have a place to stay and eat - because we are NOT paying for that either.

By the way did Kofi give the investigators access to his Swiss bank account? Tell the UN to get out of America.

48 posted on 06/28/2005 1:33:41 PM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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The BBC is now reporting rumors on their front pages against the U.S.,BIAS? WHAT BIAS? Nevermind a little thing called going to print with FACTS AND SOURCES.


49 posted on 06/28/2005 1:33:54 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache ("Scientology is dangerous stuff,it's like forming a religion based around Johnny Quest and Haji.")
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Let's see...how should I say this to the U.N.? Ah..right.

Wish in one hand and piss in the other. Take note of which one fills the fastest.

Yes. That's the way it goes. :-)
50 posted on 06/28/2005 1:35:44 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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