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$850,000 Grant to Establish New Iowans Centers; Will Assist Immigrant Transition Into Workforce
arrivenet/U.S. Newswire ^ | June 28, 2005

Posted on 06/28/2005 7:27:56 PM PDT by bayourod

WASHINGTON, June 28 /U.S. Newswire/ -- U.S. Secretary of Labor Elaine L. Chao today announced an $850,000 demonstration grant to Iowa Workforce Development to establish three New Iowans Centers to help immigrants transition into their new communities and the workforce.

"One of the biggest and most immediate hurdles that many immigrants face when they arrive in our country is not being able to speak English. Knowing how to speak the language is essential to advancement in our economy." said Chao. "This $850,000 grant will establish New Iowans Centers which will help newcomers gain valuable language skills, job training, and job placement and other helpful services, while in the process help build strong communities."

The grant, awarded through the Department of Labor's Employment and Training Administration, will establish New Iowans Centers at local One Stop Career Centers in Waterloo, Cedar Rapids, Des Moines and Council Bluffs, Iowa. The centers will provide assistance with language and occupational training, resettlement, community service referrals and job placement with local area employers who are seeking skilled workers.

Over a three year period, the goals of the project are to speed the transition of new Americans into communities; promote stability and employment with good wages, and increase local economic development.

"These services will give new Americans who want to increase their marketable skills the ability to compete for good jobs in demand by businesses competing in the global economy," said Assistant Secretary for Employment and Training Emily Stover DeRocco. "This demonstration will also help determine if projects like the one being announced today are expanded to assist other new Americans here to fulfill their dreams."

Supportive services, including documentation assistance, understanding civic responsibilities and legal assistance will also be available to help individuals become established and provide for their families


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: aliens; legalimmigration
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Another state recognizes that immigrant labor is the key to prosperity for everyone. Despite the myths about immigrants being a burden on government, the cities and states that actually collect the taxes and pay the bills know better.
1 posted on 06/28/2005 7:27:56 PM PDT by bayourod
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To: bayourod
I'm assuming this is only for legal immigrants. Are there assurances that illegals won't be participating in this?
2 posted on 06/28/2005 7:33:16 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: bayourod

Now tell me just how short was the funding for the Va. hospital's???


3 posted on 06/28/2005 7:35:10 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: bayourod

That's funny - I'm certainly not prospering. I can't eat at my local Wendy's without getting the shits anymore either.


4 posted on 06/28/2005 7:45:57 PM PDT by Slump Tester (John Kerry - When even your best still isn't good enough)
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To: bayourod
ASSumption -"LEGAL" but we all know who will get in...And jobs skills? I thought that immigrants (legal) had to have a job waiting for them - errr doesn't having a job indicate that the skill requirement has been met? English! - Does this mean we can save millions of dollars by taking down signs and eliminating Press 1 for English, 2 for Espanol, multilingual printing etc?

Or is this a government at work unnecessarily spending tax money over and above the $68 BILLION it already costs us? Aw heck, what's another $850 million compared to the cost of protecting the border, protecting citizens, saving tax money etc.

Summary - more Government BS!

5 posted on 06/28/2005 7:50:00 PM PDT by A.B.Normal
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To: bayourod

Not speaking English doesn't seem to stop the tsunami of illegal Mexican's from storming the borders.


6 posted on 06/28/2005 7:50:36 PM PDT by garyhope ( com)
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To: A.B.Normal

Ooops. I forgot: "What happens if they flunk?" Do they go back - legal or illegal?


7 posted on 06/28/2005 7:52:06 PM PDT by A.B.Normal
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To: org.whodat
"Now tell me just how short was the funding for the Va. hospital's??? "

I agree.

But the government (Congressmen) is being forced to respond to the whining of the anti-immigrsamts about Mexican gangs, crowded schools, epidemics, hospitals losing money, crowded jails, etc.. with massive spending measures to appease y'all.

One Billion Dollars alone to emergency rooms to compensate for treating illegals. Who puts that money in their pockets? Bilingual doctors who use it to buy new Corvettes. Bilingual nurses, pharmacists, suppliers, administrators, etc...

No money for veterans because y'all insist that the money go to bilingual cops, teachers, clinics, etc... to solve the problems you think are created by illegal aliens.

8 posted on 06/28/2005 7:56:08 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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"Not speaking English doesn't seem to stop the tsunami of illegal Mexican's from storming the borders. "

Correct, but the anti-immigrants have whined so much about Spanish speakers diluting our culture that the government has to do something to appease them.

This should make some of them happy.

9 posted on 06/28/2005 8:01:08 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
But the government (Congressmen) is being forced to respond to the whining of the anti-immigrsamts ... No money for veterans because y'all insist that the money go to bilingual cops, teachers, clinics, etc... to solve the problems you think are created by illegal aliens.

LOL. So expecting our government to protect the borders is "whining"?

10 posted on 06/28/2005 8:01:47 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: bayourod

There are several thousand Bosnian refugee immigrants here in Waterloo. They are blending in quite well, and in a generation or two nobody will know the difference.


11 posted on 06/28/2005 8:02:54 PM PDT by xjcsa (She died of loneliness...loneliness and rabies...)
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To: A.B.Normal
"is this a government at work unnecessarily spending tax money "

Isn't that what government is for? Willing employers and willing employees don't need government assistance, they just need government to get out of the way.

12 posted on 06/28/2005 8:05:08 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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" So expecting our government to protect the borders is "whining"? "

But y'all have said that the reasons you want the border sealed are Mexican gangs, crowded schools, epidemics, hospitals losing money, crowded jails, etc..

Since sealing the border is impossible (see my profile page) the government is doing the best they can to appease you by throwing money at your complaints. You should be thankful, you asked for it.

13 posted on 06/28/2005 8:10:05 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
Craziness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
14 posted on 06/28/2005 8:11:29 PM PDT by A.B.Normal (Craziness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.)
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To: bayourod

I think what "we all" have said is we're sick of the spending that is already taking place to accommodate the illegal immigrants. Throwing money is the complaint.

I realize you're only attempting to be cute with your tongue in your cheek, but you've missed the point.


15 posted on 06/28/2005 8:19:22 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: SittinYonder
Well then what do you want the government to do? It tried to seal the border and couldn't (see my profile page)

What is your solution other than spend money to stop your complaining?

16 posted on 06/28/2005 8:31:19 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
The information on your profile page is disingenuous at best. The OIG did not find Operation Gatekeeper to be a failure. Even if your numbers are correct that 200,000 are apprehended and 30 - 40,000 get through, that's 200,000 who didn't make it (your link, btw, doesn't work).

Furthermore, you can't extrapolate the numbers across the entire border the way you attempt to because The San Diego Sector historically has been the busiest Border Patrol sector, accounting for more than 40 percent of all alien apprehensions along the border with Mexico.

The assertion that Operation Gatekeeper was a failure also relies on information the OIG found to be incorrect - there was no falsification - and information that came from Union officials.

This was also a Clinton/Reno project, and my hope is that Clinton and Reno won't be in charge of dealing with the illegal immigration issue.

What do I want the government to do? A Gatekeeper-type wall combined with policing the borders - allowing and encouraging border patrol agents to actually apprehend illegals - is a good first step to curbing illegal immigration. Preventing illegals from getting driver's licenses or enjoying other benefits of citizenship will remove some of the incentive for them. Deporting illegal aliens when they are caught will also remove some of the incentive.

It may even take more money than is now going into INS and the border patrol, but that's a lot better than some compassionate $850,000 assimilation plant that is doomed to only cost more and never be successful at anything.

The flood of immigrants coming across our border with Mexico is nothing less than an invasion. Congress has the Constitutional duty to repel such invasions even if it offends Hispanic voters. Congress and the President have no Constitutional duty to get reelected, they do have a duty to defend the country against invasion.

Besides, legal Hispanic immigrants and their children are going to be voting on issues that concern everyone - taxes, social security, etc. They won't be single issue voters any more than the rest of us, and many of them (polls going back as far as 1984 show anywhere from 30 to 55 percent are in favor of strengthening the borders and reducing immigration rates) will support a tougher stand on illegal immigration.

Now tell me how our economy will crumble without illegals.

17 posted on 06/28/2005 10:33:15 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: bayourod

Your link on your profile page goes nowhere.

Where is the proof?


18 posted on 06/28/2005 10:46:17 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: SittinYonder
"The assertion that Operation Gatekeeper was a failure also relies on information the OIG found to be incorrect - there was no falsification - and information that came from Union officials. "

They didn't find any fraud in the actual reporting of the numbers but they found the numbers to be far below what Congress had been led to expect. Reno and Congress were expecting 80% but the official numbers were down around 40% on good days, and those were questionable, but not fraudulent because of the difficulty in accurately measuring the number of get-a-ways.

In any event, such a fence around the entire nation would still allow far more people to get through than want to.

19 posted on 06/28/2005 10:46:40 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
In any event, such a fence around the entire nation would still allow far more people to get through than want to.

But far fewer than are getting through now. Besides, I didn't say "such a fence around the entire nation" - just on the border with Mexico - and I didn't limit the efforts to just a fence. I believe I gave you four specific actions the government can take:

1. Fence.

2. Encourage border patrol in apprehension of illegals crossing the border.

3. Remove incentives of benefits of citizenship presently enjoyed (at least to some degree) by illegals.

4. Deport illegals when they are arrested.

20 posted on 06/28/2005 10:53:18 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: bayourod

In a quick Google, I found nothing to prove your claim that illegals were coming over the fence or going under it in droves. The section of the fence forced immigrants to go east and cross where there is no fence. Which leads me to think that the fence was a deterrent...or why would they go around?


21 posted on 06/28/2005 11:05:19 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: SittinYonder

Why can't we have different National Guard or Reserve units from different parts of the country rotate and do a week's duty each year assisting the Border Patrol and monitoring the fence. They can do training exercises part of the day, and assist with surveillance at night.


22 posted on 06/28/2005 11:08:38 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: bayourod
You don't know what you are talking about. I live in Iowa and can tell you that the immigrant population is ruining a good number of communities. Small towns now confront crime and gangs that never before existed. Large meat packing plants bus Mexicans in and completely disrupt communities.

Of course, politicians are susceptible to the lure of these big companies and their money. "Expanding the tax base" is the excuse they pull out for all sorts of nonsense. The government is spending nearly a million dollars to help foreigners compete with regular Iowans. How is that a good thing? I suppose IBP and Tyson can continue to pay crappy wages as a result.

23 posted on 06/28/2005 11:10:33 PM PDT by shempy (EABOF)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

I don't know the viability of it, but I've had similar ideas that seem reasonable on the surface. It would give excellent training opportunities to the national guard.

On the heels of the success of the Minuteman Project, if I were a state legislator I'd be thinking about a similar project funded by the state. I don't know what it would cost or if it could possibly be cost effective, but I'd be looking into it. Ultimately, it may be up to the states to take the lead on this and allow border patrol to supplement state forces.


24 posted on 06/28/2005 11:13:05 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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"Large meat packing plants bus Mexicans in and completely disrupt communities. "

Disrupt? How? Can't you still do the things you've always done? Go to the same churches? Shop at the same grocery stores? Watch the same TV programs?

" I suppose IBP and Tyson can continue to pay crappy wages as a result. "

Would you prefer they close down and Americans buy imported beef instead? Wouldn't that hurt the cattle ranches, and the corn growers?

At least I appreciate the fact that you aren't blaming illegals on the problems you think are caused by legal immigrants.

25 posted on 06/28/2005 11:20:31 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: SittinYonder

For something to actually get accomplished, you're probably right--the states will have to take the initiative. But that seems so unfair to California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas to have to pay for something that will benefit the other 44 states.

At least with Guard and Reserve units from, say, Iowa, and Utah, and Tennessee, etc., the rest of the country will be helping. And that shouldn't cause a huge increase in public expenditures. These units have to do field training anyway. Why not help where it is needed urgently?


26 posted on 06/28/2005 11:25:16 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: SittinYonder; bayourod


he always misses the point. That's rod's MO and his agenda.


27 posted on 06/28/2005 11:26:03 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: bayourod

You think those workers at IBP are legal?


28 posted on 06/28/2005 11:27:02 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: bayourod

Yeah, I bet you had an orgasm over this news.


29 posted on 06/28/2005 11:27:04 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Yes. You don't think they are checked?


30 posted on 06/28/2005 11:29:12 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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Of course they are not checked.

They hand the H.R. flunkie a Social Security card and a photo I.D. Both have a real name on them--but it's often someone else's name. IBP does not call and verify every single number. The illegal is hired, goes on payroll, start paying those wonderful payroll taxes, and in the off chance that someone along the way notices that there is a duplicate (two people using the same social #, for example), the worker either moves on to a new job elsewhere, or provides a different number and the charade begins again.

You've never actually spoken with an illegal immigrant, have you?

I've spoken with hundreds in their workplaces. It's easy and it happens every day, in almost every city across the country.


31 posted on 06/28/2005 11:35:34 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: bayourod

By the way, where is the Inspector General's report?


32 posted on 06/28/2005 11:36:41 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: bayourod
The centers will provide assistance with language and occupational training, resettlement, community service referrals and job placement with local area employers who are seeking skilled workers.

I wonder how much Iowa is spending on occupational training, resettlement, etc. on its NATIVE Iowans whose jobs are either lost to outsourcing, to obsolescence, or, heaven forbid, to immigrant labor?

33 posted on 06/28/2005 11:39:33 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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Why are the FEDS wasting our tax dollars trying to help illegal aliens transitioning into our work force. Sec. Chou needs to use that money and fly those criminals back to where they came from.

After their fingerprints,Photo's and DNA have been taken for the criminal database.


34 posted on 06/28/2005 11:42:31 PM PDT by puppypusher
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To: Choose Ye This Day

background:

http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/9807/gkp01.htm

executive summary:

http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/9807/exec.htm


report:

http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/9807/index.htm


35 posted on 06/28/2005 11:43:32 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
"You've never actually spoken with an illegal immigrant, have you?"

Yes I have. He was a bartender at a high class bar. He had come from Greece on a student visa which had expired. No one suspected he wasn't a native American until he announced that he was going to have to return to Greece because he couldn't get a permanent visa.

I didn't ask him about chicken plucking though. I might have known other people who were illegals and didn't know it. How does one know without asking?

I met a couple "skinhead Meskins" the other day who were well groomed and dressed. Later I was told they were MS-13. Were they illegals or did they have some type visa? How do you tell who is illegal and who isn't?

36 posted on 06/28/2005 11:44:49 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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"Why are the FEDS wasting our tax dollars trying to help illegal aliens transitioning "

Because the anti-immigrants are whining about immigrants not assimilating fast enough. You should be pleased that the government is responding to your complaints. (I don't know if they are illegal)

37 posted on 06/28/2005 11:48:49 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: SittinYonder
Because there was no effective way to measure how many aliens actually crossed the border, reported results were limited essentially to the number of apprehensions. Initially apprehensions at Imperial Beach Station increased, and numbers were higher than on the same dates one year earlier.10 The INS and the Border Patrol attributed this rise to increased effectiveness, reflecting the immediate impact of increased manpower and the new deployment. As time passed apprehension numbers at Imperial Beach began to fall, while apprehension numbers at stations further east began to rise. This development suggested that some illegal crossers had abandoned Imperial Beach and shifted their entry efforts to stations further east.

Sounds to me like it was a deterrent. Now, if we had it stretching across the ENTIRE Southern border, and we actually DEPORTED illegals that are already here--say, as soon as they commit so much as a misdemeanor--wouldn't our flow of illegals dry up considerably?

38 posted on 06/28/2005 11:48:57 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: puppypusher


BUMP. Exactly the R/x.


39 posted on 06/28/2005 11:50:09 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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It's ALL about being LEGAL immigrants rod. That's the criteria. LEGAL = welcome.


40 posted on 06/28/2005 11:51:29 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

That was my thinking ...


41 posted on 06/28/2005 11:51:46 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
"I wonder how much Iowa is spending on occupational training, resettlement, etc. on its NATIVE Iowans whose jobs are either lost to outsourcing,..."

If they resettle in Texas they can find jobs for which they are qualified and if not we do have occupational training for those with no skills.

42 posted on 06/28/2005 11:52:05 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod

I speak with them. They're usually very upfront about it.

When I walk into a business and start speaking with the employees about their retirement plan, I can tell within five minutes if I'm speaking to mostly illegals or to legal guest workers. It's an attitude. This is just among Mexican and Central American illegals that I have met. I have had very little contact with any of our massive influx of illegal Greeks.


43 posted on 06/28/2005 11:52:29 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: onyx

Are they legal? If so then you don't have a problem with it? Obviously Iowa thinks it's good for Iowa. Who am I to say they are wrong?


44 posted on 06/28/2005 11:56:58 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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Of course I have NO problem if they're legal. That is my only criteria. Legals want to assimilate and learn to speak English. The illegals are a whole different story.


45 posted on 06/29/2005 12:00:23 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx

I agree. I have no problem with LEGAL immigration. I highly doubt that these Iowa centers are going to verify legal residency, though. They won't get too many Latino visitors if word gets out that they are checking I.D.


46 posted on 06/29/2005 12:05:37 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: bayourod
Who am I to say they are wrong?

An American. This is a DOL grant going to these Iowa centers. That's your tax money. Mine, too. We should at least be able to demand that help be given only to "New Iowans" that are legal guest workers.

47 posted on 06/29/2005 12:08:08 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Agree with you 100%. Illegals are the problem. We cannot continue to be wishy-washy about the illegal invasion. They do not obey rules or laws. They put their own self interest above those waitng in line legally. I despise the illegals.


48 posted on 06/29/2005 12:09:34 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Maybe they are legal. Do you know?


49 posted on 06/29/2005 12:10:21 AM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod

No, and that is precisely my point: THEY SHOULD BE VERIFYING! If a "New Iowan" comes in for help learning English or acquiring some new skill, he/she should be willing and able to provide proof of legal residency. The Center should then verify that proof. Sencillo, ¿no?


50 posted on 06/29/2005 12:14:07 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm a Jesus Fascist?)
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