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Mark Fuhrman: The facts of Terri Schiavo’s life (I read his new book today - five stars
MSNBC ^ | June 28 05 | Fuhrman

Posted on 06/28/2005 7:29:53 PM PDT by churchillbuff

This excerpt, from MSNBC, doesn't get anywhere near the meat of the book - where Fuhrman shows how Michael's inconstent statements, and the timeline of the morning that Terri collapsed, raise a lot of questions - and suspicions. Read the book.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: churchilldisruptor; disruptorsdelight; emotionalhysteria; emotionallydisabled; exploitation; fuhrman; showmethemoney; swindlers; terrischiavo
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To: Cicero
On the other hand, a Google Search for "Silent Witness" turned up just about everything BUT Fuhrman's book. One more instance where you have to wonder if Google is messing with searches for political reasons. Usually, Google is great, but then you get a strange result like this.

I don't see a political agenda. "Silent Witness" is a very common phrase and even a very common title. Nonetheless, one link to Fuhrman's book shows up at #99 in a Google search. Google ranks in large part by how many links there are to a page, and how many links there are to those links, and so on. It makes sense that a new book doesn't have many links to it yet.

If you search for "Silent Witness"+fuhrman, the new book comes up right away.

51 posted on 06/28/2005 9:48:21 PM PDT by AZLiberty
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To: Bellflower

All of the big search engines use different techniques. I'm only familiar with Google's (and only a bit there.) They don't do well on things that are so new because there are not a lot of links. Of course, advertisers try to game the search engines to get hits on their own stuff.

There are a lot to try: google, crusty, all the web, ask jeeves, alta vista, wisenut, etc. Most of the time that I try, they all give me the same (and usually only) documents available.

There is a very expensive engine (about $100,000) that will go into various data bases to find stuff. I don't remember the name; the price caused temporary amnesia.


52 posted on 06/28/2005 9:57:11 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: calex59

One thing for certain, you just blew your own credibility with this group, with me at the top of the list.


53 posted on 06/28/2005 9:58:38 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: FauxBlonde
Why is Mark Fuhrman someone we should take seriously?

Why would we believe anything from a blond, especially a faux blond? :-)

Fuhrman was railroaded in the O.J. case and has come back to prove himself the best of the bunch. His book Murder in Greenwich exposed the sloppy police work concerning the Kennedy cousin, caused the trial to be reopened and Skakel was convicted for the murder he committed.

Murder in Brentwood lays out the clear case against OJ and shows how the LA cops and the DA's office blew the case.

54 posted on 06/28/2005 10:05:25 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: FauxBlonde

Why is Mark Fuhrman someone we should take seriously?




Is that a blonde joke?


55 posted on 06/28/2005 10:10:37 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: sarasmom

That was a nice, Christian response! I don't like Mark Fuhrman so you will be joyous if one of my relatives dies? What the heck is wrong with you?


56 posted on 06/28/2005 11:17:04 PM PDT by FauxBlonde
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To: John Robertson
Furhman could have had VIDEO of OJ beheading those two people and the jury STILL would have acquitted. That trial, in case you didn't realize, was never about the evidence.

I disagree. I think if the criminal court jury had seen photos of Simpson wearing those Bruno Magli shoes that made the bloody footprints at the murder scene, they would have had no choice. Not even the most brain-dead jury could say that racist cops faked that.

57 posted on 06/28/2005 11:20:48 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Real Freepers Don't Need Witness Protection Programs)
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To: DJ MacWoW
At any rate, he had access to people and documents they we haven't had.

Why would he have access to documents, he wasn't on the case. There is such a thing as patient privacy, no where during this horrific ordeal was it mentioned that he was involved in a investigative manner. If his book is speculative than we already have and read all the speculations of what happened, here on FR there were VOLUMES written.

58 posted on 06/29/2005 4:11:34 AM PDT by stopem
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To: FauxBlonde

That's not what was being suggested. The poster said, God forbid something like that should ever happen to you, because then you'd realize what it's like.


59 posted on 06/29/2005 4:21:11 AM PDT by Freepertwo
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To: stopem
Why would he have access to documents, he wasn't on the case.

You're kidding, right? He wasn't on the Skakel case either but the guy is now in prison.

In Silent Witness, former LAPD detective and New York Times bestselling author Mark Fuhrman applies his highly respected investigative skills to examine the medical evidence, legal case files, and police records. With the complete cooperation of Terri Schiavo's parents and siblings, as well as their medical and legal advisers, he conducts exclusive interviews with forensics experts and crucial witnesses, including friends, family members, and caregivers.

Amazon link

60 posted on 06/29/2005 6:44:38 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: L.N. Smithee

Friend, the OJ trial was an intense, painful time for me (living in LA at the time, and a very good friend was a principal witness in the case), so I don't necessarily want to redredge the whole thing again.

But.

You said: "I think if the criminal court jury had seen photos of Simpson wearing those Bruno Magli shoes that made the bloody footprints at the murder scene, they would have had no choice. Not even the most brain-dead jury could say that racist cops faked that."

The majority of white people watching the trial were convinced beyond the proverbial shadow of a doubt that OJ did it. And we were stunned when he was acquitted.

Black people cheered in the streets. Even some of the ACTUAL JURORS said, when interviewed after the verdict, This is payback, for all the innocent black men who have been persecuted and wrongly prosecuted over the years (that's a near-quote).

Remember all the talk of jury nullification? The evidence didn't matter. I believe he would have been acquitted if Mark Fuhrman never existed.


61 posted on 06/29/2005 9:04:39 AM PDT by John Robertson
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To: John Robertson

I think you're right- good post there.

People dancing in the street after this injustice was almost as distasteful as middle-easterners dancing after 9.11.


62 posted on 06/29/2005 12:50:10 PM PDT by Voir Dire (I'm seeing and saying.)
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To: Ciexyz

I'm glad that Mark landed on his feet.


65 posted on 06/29/2005 1:27:27 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

I've found that amazon.com changed their site to make it more difficult to order "older" books. I tried to order Mark's new book and one of his older books, and the site directed me to outside contractors who advertize on amazon.com. What a pain.


67 posted on 06/29/2005 2:59:05 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: mizmoutarde

I read the book yesterday.

It is a good book. I think Mark suggest that there was criminal activity involved, but that there is no way to prove it unless an investigation is open into what happend the night/morning Terri colapsed. He gives different scenarios of what possibly could have happend. He said it could have all been an accident, but the only way we may know for sure is if Michael Schiavo is really interrogated/investigated. He says he has never really been put on the hot seat and that he needs to be.


68 posted on 06/29/2005 3:01:50 PM PDT by Halls (I will never forget Terri Schiavo and neither should you!)
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To: churchillbuff
Just finished it today.

I was impressed at the logical approach Mark took.

There were gems of new information but what he did with the events that most of us already knew about was the truly interesting part.

69 posted on 06/29/2005 6:19:53 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: churchillbuff

Related thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1432855/posts


72 posted on 06/29/2005 6:26:04 PM PDT by Checkers
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To: FauxBlonde

Ask a Kennedy.


73 posted on 06/29/2005 6:26:09 PM PDT by bvw
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To: FauxBlonde

Why do you say he is a racist jackass?


74 posted on 06/29/2005 6:26:59 PM PDT by bvw
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To: mizmoutarde
"...he's a good detective and sounds like he's been pretty objective."

I agree. To his credit, he bent over backward to be objective.

There is definitely something there for everyone....

75 posted on 06/29/2005 6:33:36 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Freepertwo
The poster said, God forbid something like that should ever happen to you, because then you'd realize what it's like.

No, the poster said, "I will enjoy a bit of scheudenfreude if I ever chance to hear of it happening to you."

But yeah, the poster did include the "God forbid" caveat just before that statement, so I guess that makes it all OK.

76 posted on 06/29/2005 6:33:37 PM PDT by dbwz
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To: stopem
Er......apparently you don't know why Mark became involved.

Let me help you out.

Sean Hannity too Terri's fight to live in horrific circumstances to heart. He attempted to help her parents save her life. He became distraught over the days she was being starved to death, and dehydrated to death thru denial of all fluids. (I think it took 13 days for this mentally damaged but otherwise healthy woman to die from this abuse. It was unbearable for those of us who had been intently following and researching the horrific decisions of judge greer and michael schiavo and his vampirish attorney george felos.)

SEAN CONTACTED MARK FURHMAN AND ASKED THAT HE LOOK INTO THE FACTS, AS DOCUMENTED, in this case. And there are thousands of papers regarding court dealings, etc.

The Schindler's, Terri's parents, who loved her deeply and WANTED to care for her, had asked and asked for state and federal investigations while their dtr was living and WELCOMED Mark when he arrived in Florida to begin his investigation, which included hundreds of interviews, documentation research and many other avenues someone with his experience could employ.

HE DID NOT GO WITH AN AGENDA.

He was ABSOLUTELY against our government interfering with this horrific state sanctioned murder.

He did NOT get access to Michael Schiavo. Nor would that monsters attorney, a major league coward outside his euthanasia groups domain, george felos, allow Mark to interview Michael or himself, in fact he did not even bother to RESPOND to Mark's requests for information. Interesting.

Mark did a turn around when he learned that Michael Schiavo REFUSEd to show up for an court ordered depositions (he NEVER had to answer questions, even ONCE professionally administered) and he was NEVER called on the carpet for failure to show.

He also changed his story about the night of Terri's collapse MANY times OVER!

Mark got interested.

And he believes a Grand Jury is necessary...........something the Schindlers have wanted and publically called for before Terri was murdered.

77 posted on 06/29/2005 6:51:07 PM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: mizmoutarde

OH WOW! I hope so. And I hope someone, richer than me, lol, sends a COPY to swarmy LARRY KING, who was afraid to REALLY interview Michael Schiavo with the hardball questions, all the many times he had him on!


78 posted on 06/29/2005 6:53:32 PM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: Republic

I agree! You made all the key points! It is time for someone to sit Michael Schiavo down and ask him what happend to Terri. No healthy women just ends up like she did out of the clear blue! Why can't Fl. see this i will never know? But they better get their crap together cause people are going to know more now about what happend after reading Mark's book and the pressure is going to be mounding on them!


79 posted on 06/29/2005 7:05:01 PM PDT by Halls (I will never forget Terri Schiavo and neither should you!)
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To: mizmoutarde
My heart went out to her family because I could see that they were let down by indifferent police work, arrogant judges, and poor access to legal representation. I hope this book makes people look and see that all the fantasy of Law and Order and celebrity trials is not the same justice that average folks get, sometimes and some places.

I read the book this afternon and I recommend it.

82 posted on 06/29/2005 9:34:51 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: John Robertson
Even some of the ACTUAL JURORS said, when interviewed after the verdict, This is payback, for all the innocent black men who have been persecuted and wrongly prosecuted over the years (that's a near-quote).

I remember individuals not involved saying such things, but not jurors. I challenge you to find a bonafide quote from a member of that jury that comes close to that.

The evidence didn't matter. I believe he would have been acquitted if Mark Fuhrman never existed.

Fact of the matter is that Fuhrman did perjure himself when he responded to F. Lee Bailey's questions about racial slurs by saying he didn't use the word. When audiotapes surfaced proving he did, the die was cast. It didn't help that the LAPD violated its own protocol in the transmission of evidence, and lied about Simpson not being a main suspect. For jurors who may have been prejudiced against police, that was probably enough to suggest that Simpson was framed.

I don't believe that blacks by-and-large were so enamored of the lavish-living, blonde bombshell-loving Simpson that they would allow HIM to get away with killing two people to make a larger point. O.J. was not Rodney King, a common ghetto dweller who served as a beaten-bloody spokesman for blacks who feel like they're victimized.

Let me interject at this point that I am a black man.

84 posted on 06/30/2005 1:33:01 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Real Freepers Don't Need Witness Protection Programs)
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To: Voir Dire

Thank you, friend.


85 posted on 06/30/2005 3:55:44 AM PDT by John Robertson
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To: L.N. Smithee

First of all, no interjection needed here that you are a black man--that was evident, to me.

I said: "Even some of the ACTUAL JURORS said, when interviewed after the verdict, This is payback, for all the innocent black men who have been persecuted and wrongly prosecuted over the years (that's a near-quote)."

You said, to that: "I remember individuals not involved saying such things, but not jurors. I challenge you to find a bonafide quote from a member of that jury that comes close to that."

What's in it for me, if I find such a quote? This is too much, friend. The bigger question should be asked of yourself: What quote would "come close to that"? Would you then challenge that, saying I had misinterpreted it? I see that as a no-win for me, so I will respectfully decline to do your research for free.

As a black man, here's something for you to consider: It's entirely possible for a Mark Furhman to say racist remarks, even to BE a racist...but to be fully professional in the execution of his duties, without bias. To put that another way: A white stone racist could give you a fair trial. Just as a black stone racist could give Mark Fuhrman a fair trial.

I would bet my better car that you will pop back in disagreemnt, but I would ask you to ponder it a while.


86 posted on 06/30/2005 4:04:55 AM PDT by John Robertson
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To: John Robertson

bttt


87 posted on 06/30/2005 4:23:41 AM PDT by Freepertwo
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To: Republic

Thanks, I appreciate the info. No, you're right, I had no idea.


88 posted on 06/30/2005 4:23:46 AM PDT by stopem
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To: L.N. Smithee
Anyone who says that he is a "black man" is just by that assertion, a racist.
89 posted on 06/30/2005 4:27:20 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

Ouch, but good point!


90 posted on 06/30/2005 5:52:43 AM PDT by Halls (I will never forget Terri Schiavo and neither should you!)
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To: L.N. Smithee

What was the source of the audiotapes, who taped the conversations, and what was the reason for the conversations in which Fuhrman used a racial slur?
Do you have any recollection?


91 posted on 06/30/2005 6:27:14 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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bookmarking


93 posted on 06/30/2005 2:55:19 PM PDT by TheSarce (Liberalism: The irrational, intolerant cult that dare not speak its name.)
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To: CindyDawg

I am picking up my copy at the public library. If you don't want to own the copy then make a request at your pl to get it. That way someone who might not have paid much attention may pick it and read it.


94 posted on 06/30/2005 3:03:08 PM PDT by LauraJean (sometimes I win sometimes I donate to the equine benevolent society)
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To: xzins

What's your point, really?

Hopefully you're not another one who thinks this case is something to be made light of.


95 posted on 06/30/2005 3:11:25 PM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: k2blader

My point is that I carefully pick my books, even those by Mark Fuhrman.

His book will make a few new points that will show up on these FR pages, anyway.


96 posted on 06/30/2005 3:13:34 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: churchillbuff
Like him or hate him, Mark Fuhrman is a good investigator and brings credibility to the facts. His book should be interesting reading.
97 posted on 06/30/2005 3:20:58 PM PDT by RightWinger
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To: xzins
"His book will make a few new points that will show up on these FR pages, anyway."

Don't hold your breath too long.

I know several Freepers that have read it and have posted here and nobody is about to spill the beans this soon after the release.

98 posted on 06/30/2005 4:05:37 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Earthdweller

Mark Fuhrman's new points are not going to make a difference in my life whether I discover them this month or this year or next year.

I heard him on the radio with Hannity the other day, and HE spilled the beans. Hannity asked him straight up whether Michael did it, and Fuhrman hedged his response.

Coulda/woulda/ifa

I can definitely wait on that one.


99 posted on 06/30/2005 4:21:42 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
Ok..but you are missing out I'm telling ya.

Unless you think like an investigator there is no way you could put all of it together like he did.

100 posted on 06/30/2005 4:34:45 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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