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U.S. Blocked Release of CAFTA Reports
AP ^ | Jun 29 2005 | LARRY MARGASAK,

Posted on 06/29/2005 9:48:47 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer

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To: traviskicks
"Our inner cities (and Indian reservations) didn't experience this prosperity..." Our inner cities have experienced prosperity??? That's news to me. And the Indians... I'm thankful every day that I didn't grow up on an Indian reservation. True, now they have casino's but if it weren't for gambling they still wouldn't have jack.

Tell you what, come back and argue your point when CAFTA and the FTAA have thoroughly disrupted "most" peoples way of life here in America and America gives up it's sovereignty for the FTAA's Constitution just like what the EU is trying to do.

41 posted on 06/30/2005 6:15:25 AM PDT by tyw (".. foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." - George Washington)
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To: SunnyD1182
And now, I will get called a socialist, and have 1000 messages in my inbox because I just spoke ill of the Bush administration on free trade issues.<<<<<

The President is by no means "above" criticism.

President Bush is right on only one issue as far as I'm concerned: The War in Iraq. His willingness to turn a blind eye to illegals within this Country, his willingness to usurp United States Sovereignty with a "Union of the Americas (NAFTA, CAFTA, et al)..points towards HIM being of a socialists mindset..not those who call him on it!

Maybe I'll get some mail too!
P.S. If I had not VOTED for Bush, I would not be in a position to critisize him, but I did vote for him..or at least who I THOUGHT he was.
42 posted on 06/30/2005 6:16:02 AM PDT by Iron Matron (The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , By the Blood of our Forefathers a Sovereign Nation.)
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To: tyw

"Our inner cities (and Indian reservations) didn't experience this prosperity..." Our inner cities have experienced prosperity???
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Note the word 'didn't'. The governments of these countries are acting in a similar fashion.

And the same thing was said about NAFTA. The sky was falling folks were dead wrong.


43 posted on 06/30/2005 6:22:32 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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To: traviskicks
One more comment... The article link you provide seems to focus solely on what supposed good CAFTA and the FTAA will do for these poor third-world countries in South America. I don't see anything written in the article that covers what will happen to America during this same period.

If you want to help South American countries then I'll get you a one way plane ticket so you can go help them yourself. Wouldn't that be more gratifying to you???

If CAFTA is so great then explain to me why after many years of NAFTA the people of Mexico still risk life and limb to cross into America???

45 posted on 06/30/2005 6:24:03 AM PDT by tyw (".. foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." - George Washington)
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To: traviskicks
I totally agree with the last sentence of the article "more government social programs must be reduced and/or eliminated."

So now tell me why, again, I should trust this government to create a "social welfare" system funded by my tax money to support a third-world country and why I should care. How is it going to help America and increase our prosperity???

47 posted on 06/30/2005 6:31:42 AM PDT by tyw (".. foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." - George Washington)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"The studies, paid for by the department, concluded that several countries the administration wants to be granted free-trade status have poor working conditions and fail to protect workers' rights."

Using that criteria, we should stop trading with Red China IMMEDIATELY!

48 posted on 06/30/2005 6:39:52 AM PDT by albee (A paranoid schizophrenic is somebody who just found out what is going on.)
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To: EzekielCode
>>> Rather than focusing on getting a REAL Conservative the nomination, GOP Kool Aid drinkers are being scared into nominating a RINO in the hopes of just defeating Hillary, only to have a RINO win and enact what she would enact anyway.<<<

Zell Miller said that he did not leave the Democrat Party, that the Democrat Party left him, well, just call me Zell, as I have sent for information regarding the CONSTITUTION PARTY, and have REFUSED to renew my Membership with the Republican Party - nor donate to ANY Republican cause!.

I believe we can turn this around. God help us, it may take a civil uprising..but I do not like seeing the Blood of Our Forefathers spilled for nothing.

It is time to bring up a NEW PARTY. A party that will defeat the Repubs and dems at the Polls..we can do it.
49 posted on 06/30/2005 6:40:47 AM PDT by Iron Matron (The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , By the Blood of our Forefathers a Sovereign Nation.)
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To: albee

You got that right!!!


50 posted on 06/30/2005 6:57:07 AM PDT by tyw (".. foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." - George Washington)
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To: EzekielCode; Iron Matron

Bill Clinton had absolutely no balls (even when offered OBL on a silver platter) and "W's" have been infected with some kind of left wing virus.


51 posted on 06/30/2005 7:05:11 AM PDT by tyw (".. foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." - George Washington)
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To: Ultra Sonic

Reagan is rolling over in his grave because of what "W" is doing.


52 posted on 06/30/2005 7:07:20 AM PDT by tyw (".. foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." - George Washington)
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To: tyw

I am gathering info on the Constitution Party. It is time to TAKE BACK THE UNITED STATES.

We must elect leaders who are Patriots, not Traitors.


53 posted on 06/30/2005 7:09:33 AM PDT by Iron Matron (The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , By the Blood of our Forefathers a Sovereign Nation.)
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To: Iron Matron
I stopped my contributions to RNC well over a year ago and started contributing to the Consitution Party at the same time. I'm proud to have voted for Peroutka and to those that say my vote didn't count I say it counted for Peroutka and I can sleep at night. Now, I just wish the RNC would stop calling me asking for money. I do however feel sorry for the Republicans that haven't seen the light yet. Tow the party line, go ahead, and when they jump off the ledge you step right up and jump with them.

BTW, the Libertarian Party should be happy that the prez is pushing CAFTA and the FTAA, after all they want more immigrants, not less.




54 posted on 06/30/2005 7:22:46 AM PDT by tyw (".. foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." - George Washington)
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To: tyw

my response was tailored to your comments about Costa Ricans. Thats why it focused on that area. You brought it up.

"If CAFTA is so great then explain to me why after many years of NAFTA the people of Mexico still risk life and limb to cross into America???"

um... I don't think anyone expected to boost Mexico's per capita gdp to 36k. People come here to experience our freedom and the basic rule of law.


55 posted on 06/30/2005 7:36:27 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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To: tyw; Iron Matron

You both might be interested in these guys:
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/why.php


56 posted on 06/30/2005 7:38:41 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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To: tyw

So now tell me why, again, I should trust this government to create a "social welfare" system funded by my tax money to support a third-world country and why I should care. How is it going to help America and increase our prosperity???
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You shouldn't and it is unfortunate those provisions are in there. Apparently they were put there to satisfy some democratic senator. You have to take some good with some bad. This will bring in billions of dollars of trade between these countries and generate billions of dollars in new wealth and prodcutivity.

If we have to fund some stupid and counterproductive social program and pay some bribes to make it happen.. then lets do it and then in a few years slam the door shut on them.

I know that answer may not be very satisfying. It isn't to me either. But its politics. You sometimes have to give a little.


57 posted on 06/30/2005 7:42:00 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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To: traviskicks
"You have to take some good with some bad." - I'm sorry but I don't.

"This will bring in billions of dollars of trade" - No it won't! Tell me whom is going to be trading what to whom. What do they have that is so important that we will pay them billions of dollars for??? Isn't their currency worth about one twentieth of ours??? Tell me, really, isn't this simply about us buying their goods and not about them buying ours???

"You sometimes have to give a little." - Again, no I don't and that's especially so when it's going to hurt American citizens and lessen our sovereignty.

Honestly, this is really about Americans trying to dismantle our Declaration of Independence, limit our rights and take away or sovereignty. In the end it all comes down to us voting for the FTAA Constitution (or some derivative thereof) just like European countries voting for the EU Constitution!!!! Thank God some citizens of France came to their senses and voted it down!



58 posted on 06/30/2005 8:16:01 AM PDT by tyw (".. foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." - George Washington)
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To: tyw
Overall, I don't believe these "free trade" agreements have anything to do with what we consider free enterprise, sinec they primarily benefit internationalist corporations which have no loyalty to any country but "the market".

The intent and operation of many such multinational "trade" accords have more to do with what Hayek calls "statism". And more than that, it facilitates decision-making about the lives of both us AND foreign citizens, by unaccountable international committees like the World Trade Organization Committees on Trade which have already spent much of the last 10 years forcing the USA and other countries to "harmonize" their local legislation where it conflicts with the WTO's rules.

The CAFTA is a different agreement from GATT, GATS, WTO, NAFTA, etc etc but the import of all these things is the same, to bring about in fact and then in spirit our subsidiarity to world bodies.

One by-product of such "free" trade agreements is that the other country is required to remove all tariff and non-tariff barriers to trade, which in practice means their local farmers are undercut by required imports (e.g. corn, sugar) of what they already have a surplus of, and then the small or subsistence farmers are left without any means of making a living. Hence millions of more people move to already over-crowded third world cities and government intervention is called for to "save" them, when the whole problem was caused by that government's being pressured.

This is not an unintended consequence, but merely the world view of the elite. I think some unbiased research on such issues as I have recently done, starting with the assumption that all trade is good, helps provide further context.

59 posted on 06/30/2005 8:52:38 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: tyw

"This will bring in billions of dollars of trade" - No it won't! Tell me whom is going to be trading what to whom. What do they have that is so important that we will pay them billions of dollars for??? Isn't their currency worth about one twentieth of ours??? Tell me, really, isn't this simply about us buying their goods and not about them buying ours???
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I think a brush up of the fundmentals of economics would aid in helping you formulate your opinions. Until then, check this out:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/TradeandForeignAid/bg1761.cfm


60 posted on 06/30/2005 8:55:20 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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