Skip to comments.Black Men Attacked in Queens Neighborhood
Posted on 06/30/2005 4:56:10 AM PDT by Abathar
NEW YORK (AP) - Three black men who ventured into a historically white neighborhood early Wednesday to steal a car were chased by a man with a baseball bat, police said. One man was beaten and suffered a fractured skull.
The attack happened several hours before dawn in the same section of the borough of Queens as an infamous 1986 beating of three black men whose car had broken down.
In Wednesday's attack, Nicholas Minucci, 21, was being charged with first-degree assault as a hate crime, menacing and criminal possession of a weapon, police Commissioner Ray Kelly said at a news conference.
The three blacks told investigators they had been looking for a car to steal when they entered the Howard Beach neighborhood. They told police a white man in an SUV passed them in the street, exchanged stares with them and then returned with two friends and a baseball bat before chasing them on foot.
Glen Moore, 20, stumbled to the ground and was beaten, suffering a fractured skull. He was in serious condition. The other two men escaped and summoned police, who scouted the neighborhood with them and spotted the SUV again.
Police stopped the vehicle and found the bat inside. The driver was arrested, and officers were seeking two other suspects.
The hate crime charge is punishable by a minimum of eight years in prison. The district attorney said that he didn't know if Minucci had a lawyer and that he would be arraigned Thursday.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he and the police commissioner would not allow such "an ugly incident" to divide the city.
"We've accomplished too much to let that happen," he said, noting that the area had been free of such crimes for at least two years.
On Dec. 20, 1986, a group of white teenagers attacked three black men who were stranded in the neighborhood when their car stalled.
One of the men was fatally struck by a car as he fled. Another was beaten with a baseball bat and tree branches. The third escaped.
The attack ignited racial tension in New York and was compared to a lynching by then-Mayor Ed Koch. Eight of the teenagers were convicted or pleaded guilty to charges of manslaughter, assault, conspiracy and rioting.
Interesting how the title could easily have been "Car Thieves beaten in Queens neighborhood."
Yeah, I don't get this... these guys were going to steal a car, a local beat the crap out of them, and it's somehow a "hate crime"?
Just matter of factly, "to steal a car." These idiots at AP might want to revisit that one. This is talk radio fodder that even the "racist" perjorative cannot squelch.
Sorry, but if these guys looked out of place or suspicious, the police should have been alerted. It looks to me like they just happened to be up to no good when they were attacked, but hadn't started yet. If they were attacked because they were in the act of stealing a car, that's one thing, but if they were attacked because they were black guys in a white neighborhood, that's assault.
I don't believe in prosecuting hate crimes. I just say they were attacked for no reason and leave it at that. That's bad enough.
Thank God there are Hate Crime laws now to tack onto the "charges of manslaughter, assault, conspiracy and rioting."
Notice the implicit assignment of moral equivalency to attacking stranded motorists and attacking admitted car thieves.
Also note the black attackers were not convicted of "hate crimes," although the article doesn't state whether they were initially charged with such.
Disregard previous post. Misread the article.
Clarification: I said I don't believe in prosecuting hate crimes. I meant I don't believe in classifying a crime as a hate crime. It should be prosecuted as assault and battery. "Why" is pointless.
Too bad the gun laws are so strict there.
The Hate Crimes Laws are nothing more than the implementation of the Values set forth in the European Socialist Manefesto. They undermine our Gurantee of Freedom of Speech by the Constitution. The Hate Crimes were put into law to do just that. We have the right to Hate just as we have the right to Love. The Constitution of the United States is slowly but surely being replaced with the Socialist Version of the European Constitution, read it for yourself:
Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he and the police commissioner would not allow such "an ugly incident" to divide the city
It's not the ugly incident that is dividing the city - it's the day in day out never ending (that is their only job) crime that is dividing the city.
I hate crime. Can I be charged for it?
Only a crime for a white.
That's what racism is, a white crime. No one else can be guilty of it.
Oh good Lord. So if this was three white guys beaten in a black neighborhood, you wouldn't be reading this right now. We all know it, too.
I'm glad they got their butts handed to 'em.
Looks to me they went into another neighborhood looking for a problem and got what they were looking for.
The SUV guy probably had a cell phone and could have called the cops.
And that is the only angle to this story! There's no mention if the car theives were even charged. Does the AP really think people are going to be outraged by this? WTF?!?!
Why is it wrong? Some car thieves got beaten. I regard that as a good thing.
The fact that guido went to get a couple of friends before jumping these guys makes it pre-meditated.
Howard Beach has changed in complexion since the 80s but the new-comers are not black. The prototypical guido-hitter mentality is still there (obviously) but this blatant action surprises me.
Notice how the title of this article automatically make the back men the victims? Here, let me rewrite the title as it should be:
"Government Declares War on Black Crime: 7% of the Population Commits 60% of The Violent Rapes, Robberies and Murders....Law Abiding Citizens Fed Up"
You have admitted car thieves giving their side of the story but we don't hear the accused's side.
This will go to court. The facts will be laid out and the kid will be acquitted.
Then there'll be a riot because all people will remember is the BS printed from the AP.
"Three black men who ventured into a historically white neighborhood early Wednesday to steal a car..."
And the point?
Without a doubt Mayor Blooming-idiot is a hopeless panderer.
I'm sure the three black Car Thieves backed down when this kid came at them with a bat.
[[The Hate Crimes Laws are nothing more than the implementation of the Values set forth in the European Socialist Manefesto. They undermine our Gurantee of Freedom of Speech by the Constitution.]]
Hate crimes laws are designed only to silence the white majority population.
I'm with you. Unless the black guys were actually committing a crime, what we have here is a senseless assault (not a hate crime, just a senseless assault). They'd have gotten off easier if a car was actually being stolen.
Well, not pointless -- it should be mentioned by a prosecutor during trial as (part of) motive, and during sentencing when determining the likelihood for rehabilitation. However, I do agree that there shouldn't be separate charges or extra penalties for "hate crimes".
"Yeah, I don't get this... "
Next time you hear the NAACP call for a 'hate crime' law you will understand what that means. The idea is that some crimes are politically correct(mainly those ones against you) and some are not.
Wonder what the rap sheet looks like on the perps?
Criminal possession of a weapon? Since when is possessing a baseball bat criminal? Why don't they go arrest the NY Yankees while they're at it?
In other words, this lowlife scumbag criminal Minucci assaulted another lowlife scumbag criminal.
Watch this turn into a citywide days of rage with the Reverend Al Sharpton leading a Million Car Thief March.
Since someone used it to attack another person. Then it becomes a weapon.
They should be brining up the other 2 thieves on Good Samaritan laws.
The kid had a bat, not an Uzi.
How do you know they were not in the process of stealing a car?
Even in the bible where the laws are much more conservative, someone has to be on your property for you to be able to go thrash him. You don't get to go out on patrol. Even the cops aren't at liberty to thrash people when they actually ARE on patrol.
It's not sarcastic in academia, I'll tell you that right now.
ONLY white people can be racists, because Whitey has all the power. Or something.
This was a stupid turf war. If it were Poles vs. Lithuanians, it would be reported as a gang incident. Change the gamma on the skin colors, and you change everything.
You're right, your only hearing half the story.
"Black Men Attacked in Queens Neighborhood"
No bias in that headline at all.
Thaye take a police blotter story and give it an explosive headline.
My writing of the headline.
"Three car theives stopped by alert citizens."
They need to start registering baseball bats, obviously.
Hoard Beach is an all white enclave in Brooklyn. It an Italian-American ethnic enclave. If somebody who doesn't look like they "fit in" from a physical perspective" and are behaving suspiciously, the local sort of take things into their own hands.
The prior incidnet recorded was an unabashed hate crime. This appears justified since the two perps were admittedly there to steal a car.
But don't expect that wussie major Michael Bloomberg - the Republican Democrap, to say or do anything whatsoever in case except exhonorate the two car thieves as they minorities and the attacker was white. Ditto for the New York prosecutorial staff.
Liberals are to logic, what Pamela Anderson is to Shakespeare.
Then it shouldn't be POSSESSING it that's criminal, it should be USING it that's criminal. I guess by that logic, you can have criminal possession of a frying pan.
I remember watching the LA Riots on TV when a truck driver trying to get though an intersection was dragged out of a truck and repeatedly beaten in the head with a brick.
Very luckly to have survivied the attack
The truck driver was not in the neighborhood trying to committ a crime he was there trying to earn a days pay for a days work
Was that a hate crime and was the brick a weapon
Black Men Attacked Queens Neighborhood.
Cops and the goverment don't like vigilantes. "Death Wish" got a lot of praise, but remember, in the end, he had to leave town.
I won't mind if more car thieves "get the message," personally.
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