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Black Men Attacked in Queens Neighborhood
My Way News ^ | 6/30/05 | AP

Posted on 06/30/2005 4:56:10 AM PDT by Abathar

NEW YORK (AP) - Three black men who ventured into a historically white neighborhood early Wednesday to steal a car were chased by a man with a baseball bat, police said. One man was beaten and suffered a fractured skull.

The attack happened several hours before dawn in the same section of the borough of Queens as an infamous 1986 beating of three black men whose car had broken down.

In Wednesday's attack, Nicholas Minucci, 21, was being charged with first-degree assault as a hate crime, menacing and criminal possession of a weapon, police Commissioner Ray Kelly said at a news conference.

The three blacks told investigators they had been looking for a car to steal when they entered the Howard Beach neighborhood. They told police a white man in an SUV passed them in the street, exchanged stares with them and then returned with two friends and a baseball bat before chasing them on foot.

Glen Moore, 20, stumbled to the ground and was beaten, suffering a fractured skull. He was in serious condition. The other two men escaped and summoned police, who scouted the neighborhood with them and spotted the SUV again.

Police stopped the vehicle and found the bat inside. The driver was arrested, and officers were seeking two other suspects.

The hate crime charge is punishable by a minimum of eight years in prison. The district attorney said that he didn't know if Minucci had a lawyer and that he would be arraigned Thursday.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he and the police commissioner would not allow such "an ugly incident" to divide the city.

"We've accomplished too much to let that happen," he said, noting that the area had been free of such crimes for at least two years.

On Dec. 20, 1986, a group of white teenagers attacked three black men who were stranded in the neighborhood when their car stalled.

One of the men was fatally struck by a car as he fled. Another was beaten with a baseball bat and tree branches. The third escaped.

The attack ignited racial tension in New York and was compared to a lynching by then-Mayor Ed Koch. Eight of the teenagers were convicted or pleaded guilty to charges of manslaughter, assault, conspiracy and rioting.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
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They admit to going there to steal a car and get their butts handed to them, it is wrong I know but I just can't seem to work up a tear for them either.
1 posted on 06/30/2005 4:56:10 AM PDT by Abathar
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To: Abathar

Interesting how the title could easily have been "Car Thieves beaten in Queens neighborhood."


2 posted on 06/30/2005 4:57:30 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: Abathar

Yeah, I don't get this... these guys were going to steal a car, a local beat the crap out of them, and it's somehow a "hate crime"?


3 posted on 06/30/2005 4:59:43 AM PDT by kevkrom (“It’s good to remember whom people turn to when they’re desperate — and it ain’t Kofi Annan.”)
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To: Abathar

Just matter of factly, "to steal a car." These idiots at AP might want to revisit that one. This is talk radio fodder that even the "racist" perjorative cannot squelch.


4 posted on 06/30/2005 5:00:06 AM PDT by junta ("Racism" a word invented so as to allow morons access to the political debate.)
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To: Abathar

Sorry, but if these guys looked out of place or suspicious, the police should have been alerted. It looks to me like they just happened to be up to no good when they were attacked, but hadn't started yet. If they were attacked because they were in the act of stealing a car, that's one thing, but if they were attacked because they were black guys in a white neighborhood, that's assault.

I don't believe in prosecuting hate crimes. I just say they were attacked for no reason and leave it at that. That's bad enough.


5 posted on 06/30/2005 5:00:41 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Taglines are supposed to have meaning?)
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To: Abathar
Eight of the teenagers were convicted or pleaded guilty to charges of manslaughter, assault, conspiracy and rioting.

Thank God there are Hate Crime laws now to tack onto the "charges of manslaughter, assault, conspiracy and rioting."

6 posted on 06/30/2005 5:00:42 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: Abathar

Notice the implicit assignment of moral equivalency to attacking stranded motorists and attacking admitted car thieves.

Also note the black attackers were not convicted of "hate crimes," although the article doesn't state whether they were initially charged with such.


7 posted on 06/30/2005 5:01:03 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: ko_kyi

Liberal logic.


8 posted on 06/30/2005 5:02:01 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Restorer

Disregard previous post. Misread the article.


9 posted on 06/30/2005 5:02:04 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: SlowBoat407

Clarification: I said I don't believe in prosecuting hate crimes. I meant I don't believe in classifying a crime as a hate crime. It should be prosecuted as assault and battery. "Why" is pointless.


10 posted on 06/30/2005 5:02:32 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Taglines are supposed to have meaning?)
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To: Abathar

Too bad the gun laws are so strict there.


11 posted on 06/30/2005 5:03:25 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: ko_kyi
Interesting how the title could easily have been "Car Thieves beaten in Queens neighborhood."

Precisely!

12 posted on 06/30/2005 5:03:47 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: VeniVidiVici

The Hate Crimes Laws are nothing more than the implementation of the Values set forth in the European Socialist Manefesto. They undermine our Gurantee of Freedom of Speech by the Constitution. The Hate Crimes were put into law to do just that. We have the right to Hate just as we have the right to Love. The Constitution of the United States is slowly but surely being replaced with the Socialist Version of the European Constitution, read it for yourself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318061/posts?page=6#6
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318038/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1318034/posts
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=954
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1254190/posts


13 posted on 06/30/2005 5:05:09 AM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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To: ko_kyi

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he and the police commissioner would not allow such "an ugly incident" to divide the city

Un-freaking-believable

It's not the ugly incident that is dividing the city - it's the day in day out never ending (that is their only job) crime that is dividing the city.


14 posted on 06/30/2005 5:07:22 AM PDT by MudSlide
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To: Abathar

I hate crime. Can I be charged for it?


15 posted on 06/30/2005 5:07:31 AM PDT by LRS
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To: Abathar

Only a crime for a white.

That's what racism is, a white crime. No one else can be guilty of it.

Sarcasm/


16 posted on 06/30/2005 5:07:57 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: Abathar

Oh good Lord. So if this was three white guys beaten in a black neighborhood, you wouldn't be reading this right now. We all know it, too.

I'm glad they got their butts handed to 'em.


17 posted on 06/30/2005 5:07:58 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Abathar

Looks to me they went into another neighborhood looking for a problem and got what they were looking for.


18 posted on 06/30/2005 5:09:17 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Abathar

The SUV guy probably had a cell phone and could have called the cops.


19 posted on 06/30/2005 5:10:08 AM PDT by biblewonk (If you don't get the bible, how can you be a Christian?)
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To: kevkrom
Yeah, I don't get this... these guys were going to steal a car, a local beat the crap out of them, and it's somehow a "hate crime"?

And that is the only angle to this story! There's no mention if the car theives were even charged. Does the AP really think people are going to be outraged by this? WTF?!?!

20 posted on 06/30/2005 5:10:17 AM PDT by Drew68 (IYAOYAS! Semper Gumby!)
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To: Abathar
it is wrong I know but I just can't seem to work up a tear for them either.

Why is it wrong? Some car thieves got beaten. I regard that as a good thing.

21 posted on 06/30/2005 5:11:57 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: ko_kyi
Unless the attackers somehow knew what these guys were thinking (impossible) then their intention to steal a car is meaningless.

The fact that guido went to get a couple of friends before jumping these guys makes it pre-meditated.

Howard Beach has changed in complexion since the 80s but the new-comers are not black. The prototypical guido-hitter mentality is still there (obviously) but this blatant action surprises me.

22 posted on 06/30/2005 5:12:06 AM PDT by wtc911 (Rocky Sullivan died a coward.)
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To: Abathar

Notice how the title of this article automatically make the back men the victims? Here, let me rewrite the title as it should be:

"Government Declares War on Black Crime: 7% of the Population Commits 60% of The Violent Rapes, Robberies and Murders....Law Abiding Citizens Fed Up"


23 posted on 06/30/2005 5:12:12 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: Abathar

You have admitted car thieves giving their side of the story but we don't hear the accused's side.

Watch.

This will go to court. The facts will be laid out and the kid will be acquitted.

Then there'll be a riot because all people will remember is the BS printed from the AP.


24 posted on 06/30/2005 5:12:43 AM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Abathar

"Three black men who ventured into a historically white neighborhood early Wednesday to steal a car..."

And the point?


25 posted on 06/30/2005 5:12:54 AM PDT by toddlintown (Your papers please.)
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To: Abathar

Without a doubt Mayor Blooming-idiot is a hopeless panderer.


26 posted on 06/30/2005 5:12:54 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: ko_kyi

I'm sure the three black Car Thieves backed down when this kid came at them with a bat.


27 posted on 06/30/2005 5:14:07 AM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Abathar
Three white men who ventured into a historically black neighborhood early Wednesday to steal a car were chased by a man with a baseball bat, police said. One man was beaten and suffered a fractured skull. Mayor Bloomberg will formally recognize the heroism of the bat wielder with a Keys to the City award at City Hall on Friday. Governor Pataki will attend and issue a State Proclamation commending the baseball skills of NYC citizens who fight crime in their neighborhood streets with nothing but Louisville sluggers.
28 posted on 06/30/2005 5:14:11 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: 26lemoncharlie

[[The Hate Crimes Laws are nothing more than the implementation of the Values set forth in the European Socialist Manefesto. They undermine our Gurantee of Freedom of Speech by the Constitution.]]

Hate crimes laws are designed only to silence the white majority population.


29 posted on 06/30/2005 5:14:40 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: Abathar
This is the most bizarrely written story I've ever seen the AP put out. Guys give some justice to thieves and it's a hate crime and written as a racial column?
30 posted on 06/30/2005 5:14:40 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: biblewonk
The SUV guy probably had a cell phone and could have called the cops.

I'm with you. Unless the black guys were actually committing a crime, what we have here is a senseless assault (not a hate crime, just a senseless assault). They'd have gotten off easier if a car was actually being stolen.

31 posted on 06/30/2005 5:14:45 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Taglines are supposed to have meaning?)
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To: SlowBoat407
I said I don't believe in prosecuting hate crimes. I meant I don't believe in classifying a crime as a hate crime. It should be prosecuted as assault and battery. "Why" is pointless.

Well, not pointless -- it should be mentioned by a prosecutor during trial as (part of) motive, and during sentencing when determining the likelihood for rehabilitation. However, I do agree that there shouldn't be separate charges or extra penalties for "hate crimes".

32 posted on 06/30/2005 5:15:44 AM PDT by kevkrom (“It’s good to remember whom people turn to when they’re desperate — and it ain’t Kofi Annan.”)
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To: kevkrom

"Yeah, I don't get this... "


Next time you hear the NAACP call for a 'hate crime' law you will understand what that means. The idea is that some crimes are politically correct(mainly those ones against you) and some are not.


33 posted on 06/30/2005 5:16:17 AM PDT by marylandrepub1 (Social Security: The payroll taxes are the only part guaranteed !)
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To: kevkrom

Wonder what the rap sheet looks like on the perps?


34 posted on 06/30/2005 5:18:02 AM PDT by MudSlide
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To: Abathar

Criminal possession of a weapon? Since when is possessing a baseball bat criminal? Why don't they go arrest the NY Yankees while they're at it?


35 posted on 06/30/2005 5:18:15 AM PDT by toothfairy86
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To: Abathar
The three blacks told investigators they had been looking for a car to steal when they entered the Howard Beach neighborhood.

In other words, this lowlife scumbag criminal Minucci assaulted another lowlife scumbag criminal.

Watch this turn into a citywide days of rage with the Reverend Al Sharpton leading a Million Car Thief March.

36 posted on 06/30/2005 5:19:17 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: toothfairy86
Since when is possessing a baseball bat criminal?

Since someone used it to attack another person. Then it becomes a weapon.

37 posted on 06/30/2005 5:19:58 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Taglines are supposed to have meaning?)
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To: Abathar

They should be brining up the other 2 thieves on Good Samaritan laws.

The kid had a bat, not an Uzi.

Pussies.


38 posted on 06/30/2005 5:20:38 AM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: SlowBoat407
They'd have gotten off easier if a car was actually being stolen.

How do you know they were not in the process of stealing a car?

39 posted on 06/30/2005 5:21:35 AM PDT by alnick ("I will continue to be guided by the advice that matters." GWB 6/28/05)
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To: SlowBoat407
I'm with you. Unless the black guys were actually committing a crime, what we have here is a senseless assault (not a hate crime, just a senseless assault). They'd have gotten off easier if a car was actually being stolen.

Even in the bible where the laws are much more conservative, someone has to be on your property for you to be able to go thrash him. You don't get to go out on patrol. Even the cops aren't at liberty to thrash people when they actually ARE on patrol.

40 posted on 06/30/2005 5:22:20 AM PDT by biblewonk (If you don't get the bible, how can you be a Christian?)
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To: Spirited

S,
It's not sarcastic in academia, I'll tell you that right now.

ONLY white people can be racists, because Whitey has all the power. Or something.


41 posted on 06/30/2005 5:22:23 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: wideawake

This was a stupid turf war. If it were Poles vs. Lithuanians, it would be reported as a gang incident. Change the gamma on the skin colors, and you change everything.


42 posted on 06/30/2005 5:23:11 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Taglines are supposed to have meaning?)
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To: alnick

You're right, your only hearing half the story.


43 posted on 06/30/2005 5:24:24 AM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Abathar

"Black Men Attacked in Queens Neighborhood"

No bias in that headline at all.
Thaye take a police blotter story and give it an explosive headline.

My writing of the headline.
"Three car theives stopped by alert citizens."


44 posted on 06/30/2005 5:25:20 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Brilliant

They need to start registering baseball bats, obviously.

Hoard Beach is an all white enclave in Brooklyn. It an Italian-American ethnic enclave. If somebody who doesn't look like they "fit in" from a physical perspective" and are behaving suspiciously, the local sort of take things into their own hands.

The prior incidnet recorded was an unabashed hate crime. This appears justified since the two perps were admittedly there to steal a car.

But don't expect that wussie major Michael Bloomberg - the Republican Democrap, to say or do anything whatsoever in case except exhonorate the two car thieves as they minorities and the attacker was white. Ditto for the New York prosecutorial staff.


45 posted on 06/30/2005 5:25:25 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Unicorn
Liberal logic

Liberals are to logic, what Pamela Anderson is to Shakespeare.

46 posted on 06/30/2005 5:26:19 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: SlowBoat407

Then it shouldn't be POSSESSING it that's criminal, it should be USING it that's criminal. I guess by that logic, you can have criminal possession of a frying pan.


47 posted on 06/30/2005 5:26:44 AM PDT by toothfairy86
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To: Conservomax

I remember watching the LA Riots on TV when a truck driver trying to get though an intersection was dragged out of a truck and repeatedly beaten in the head with a brick.

Very luckly to have survivied the attack

The truck driver was not in the neighborhood trying to committ a crime he was there trying to earn a days pay for a days work

Was that a hate crime and was the brick a weapon


48 posted on 06/30/2005 5:27:47 AM PDT by MudSlide
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To: Abathar
More accurate title could have been:

Black Men Attacked Queens Neighborhood.

49 posted on 06/30/2005 5:28:06 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Abathar

Cops and the goverment don't like vigilantes. "Death Wish" got a lot of praise, but remember, in the end, he had to leave town.

I won't mind if more car thieves "get the message," personally.


50 posted on 06/30/2005 5:28:11 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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