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Gun-grabbers Pull Surprise Gun Ban Hearing
GOAL ^ | 6/30/05

Posted on 06/30/2005 12:53:04 PM PDT by pabianice

Gun Owners' Action League

The Official Firearms Association of Massachusetts

P.O. Box 567 Northboro, MA 01532

Phone: (508) 393-5333 * Fax: (508) 393-5222 * Email: staff@goal.org www.goal.org

GOAL members, the newly proposed gun ban has officially surfaced and has a number. S.2113 "AN ACT PROHIBITING THE SALE, TRANSFER OR POSSESSION OF "COP KILLER" HANDGUNS AND HIGH-POWERED RIFLES". You can read the bill at: http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/st02/st02113.htm

(There appear to be several typos in the bill as it is posted on the state website.)

As expected this bill is yet another attempt to drag Massachusetts gun owners into another fight over legitimate firearms that have been demonized by a radical minority looking to revitalize a failed agenda. As written the bill simply does two things.

1. It would ban the Herstal Five-seveN pistol by adding to the list of banned "Assault Weapons" The irony is that the pistol is already banned because it is only sold with new high capacity magazines!

2. It would ban the sale, transfer or possession of .50 caliber BMG rifles and ammunition. As written there would be no grandfathering of ownership and all .50 caliber BMG rifles and ammunition would apparently be confiscated!

There was an unscheduled surprise hearing on this bill on June 29, 2005 (I'm shocked; SHOCKED! -- Ed.), but because of the lack of notice the committee has agreed to hold a second hearing on the bill later in the summer.

Please contact your legislators and urge them not to drawn into another fight over legitimate firearms. Remind them that these attacks are simply an attempt to stop progress. Remind them that prohibitions have never worked. Tell them you look forward to working with them this year to bring about further reforms and ask them instead to support GOAL' Precision Sports Legislative Reform Package.


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1 posted on 06/30/2005 12:53:04 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Gun confiscation?


2 posted on 06/30/2005 12:55:30 PM PDT by Crazieman (6-23-2005, Establishment of the United Socialist States of America)
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To: pabianice
AN ACT PROHIBITING THE SALE, TRANSFER OR POSSESSION OF "COP KILLER" HANDGUNS

Wouldn't they get more mileage outta this if they called them Minority Baby Killer handguns?/sarcasm

3 posted on 06/30/2005 12:55:53 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: pabianice
1. It would ban the Herstal Five-seveN pistol by adding to the list of banned "Assault Weapons" The irony is that the pistol is already banned because it is only sold with new high capacity magazines!

The hi-cap ban (which was a provision of the AWB) has thankfully sunsetted, so the Five-seveN is perfectly legal.

4 posted on 06/30/2005 12:59:31 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

Not in Taxachusetts. They still have a hi-cap ban, and an AWB.

Many blue states have similar provisions. And look, crime is going *up* there, what a surprise. Not.


5 posted on 06/30/2005 1:01:27 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Ah yes. ....not surprising.


6 posted on 06/30/2005 1:02:22 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee

deja vu ping


7 posted on 06/30/2005 1:04:32 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: Abram; Alexander Rubin; AlexandriaDuke; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; Bernard; BJClinton; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
8 posted on 06/30/2005 1:05:23 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Not in the People's Republic of MA....


9 posted on 06/30/2005 1:08:40 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Puppage
Wouldn't they get more mileage outta this if they called them Minority Baby Killer handguns?

No that doesnt go far enough you gotta call them the wife battering christian oriented homophobic and minority baby killer handguns

10 posted on 06/30/2005 1:08:52 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (www.lp.org)
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To: freepatriot32

Perfect!


11 posted on 06/30/2005 1:09:27 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Eaker; archy; Squantos; Joe Brower; Travis McGee

ban the "Five-seveN" and assorted related BS ping


12 posted on 06/30/2005 1:15:22 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: Puppage

they would get more mileage out of "jihadist killer" now-a-days


13 posted on 06/30/2005 1:15:55 PM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Puppage

At least they're just banning "Cop Killer" handguns, and not "Drug-Crazed Intruder Killer" handguns.


14 posted on 06/30/2005 1:20:02 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Puppage
"Minority Baby Killer handguns"

i'm thinking gay african american post birth tissue mass killing handgun has a better ring.


15 posted on 06/30/2005 1:31:46 PM PDT by postaldave (NOTICE: IF MY POST UPSET YOU, WHAT I SAID WAS SARCASM)
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To: postaldave
i'm thinking gay african american post birth tissue mass killing handgun has a better ring

I tend to agree with you. Well done!

16 posted on 06/30/2005 1:35:27 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Puppage

The big question is. What are they doing at the statehouse during pre-fourth of July week?


17 posted on 06/30/2005 1:50:34 PM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: freepatriot32

"Children and working families" killer.


18 posted on 06/30/2005 2:01:35 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: pabianice
From Gun Week.com concerning the Herstal Five-seveN pistols:

In response to numerous questions that ATF had received regarding the capabilities of the 5.7 X 28mm cartridge, the following technical information is provided. The ATF information is available on-line at: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/fabriquen.htm.

The FTB (Firearms Technical Branch) classified SS196 ammunition as not armor piercing.

The following information was in the ATF bulletin:
ħ Fabrique Nationale
ħ Type: Double Action Only or Single Action (in Tactical model).
ħ Chambering: 5.7x28mm.
ħ Length: 208 m
ħ Barrel length: 122.5 m
ħ Magazine: 20 rounds.
The FN 5.7 (Fabrique Nationale) pistol is a semi-automatic pistol in 5.7 X 28 mm caliber approved for importation as a sporting firearm.

The classification of all ammunition is governed strictly by the definitions presented in the GCA (Gun Control Act). Specifically, as defined in 18 USC Section 921(a)(17)(B), the term ¡§armor piercing ammunition¡¨ means:

1. A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

2. A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

FTB has also examined a 5.7 X 28 mm projectile that FN Herstal has designated the ¡§SS196.¡¨ The SS196 is loaded with a Hornady 40-grain, jacketed lead bullet. FTB classified SS196 ammunition as not armor piercing ammunition under Federal firearms statutes.

According to FNH USA, FN Herstal tested the SS192 ammunition. SS192 ammunition did not penetrate the Level IIIA vests that were tested. FNH USA states that SS196, Hornady V-Max 40 gr. bullets fired from a 4&Mac186; inch barrel did not penetrate the Level II vests that were used in testing.

FNH USA has informed FTB that SS192 is no longer imported for commercial sale to the United States and that commercial sales of 5.7 X 28mm ammunition are restricted to the SS196 (not armor piercing).

The ATF Technical Branch bulletin also lists all the different types of ammunition manufactured for the Five-seveN pistol, whether or not available in the US commercial market. They list
ƒÞ SS191 - AP Tracer
ƒÞ SS192 - Hollow Point (not AP)
ƒÞ SB193 - AP Subsonic
ƒÞ SS190 - Armor piercing (AP)
ƒÞ SS195 - ¡§Green¡¨¡Xlead free hollow point projectile with copper jacket (not AP)
ƒÞ SS196 - Sporting round (Hornady 40 gr. V-max, hollow point lead), (not A
ƒÞ 10700004 Blank (not classified as ammunition under Federal law), and
ƒÞ 10700005 Dummy.
The anti-gunners are fond of pushing public policy through a sea of confusion and misinformation. But when you and lawmakers have the whole story¡Xespecially from government experts¡Xthe light of such information should send the anti-gunners looking for a new horse to flog.

19 posted on 06/30/2005 2:08:13 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: pabianice
If you get sick of it, you can always move to New Hampshire. We'd be happy to have you up here.

The Gun Owners of New Hampshire 2005 banquet is September 17, feel free to contact me for tickets.

20 posted on 06/30/2005 2:10:56 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

'Women and minority' killer


21 posted on 06/30/2005 3:07:42 PM PDT by SoIA-79 ("The plans differ; the planners are all alike." – Bastiat)
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To: Puppage
I dunno ...in florida you can taser whiny babies if you wear a badge or a robe...;)
22 posted on 07/01/2005 8:51:43 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Just trying to get in touch with my inner tagline..got feelers out but not much luck so far)
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To: pabianice

I would imagine the 7.62x25 CZ-52 is somewhere in the
fine print.

Get one while you can!


23 posted on 07/01/2005 8:55:07 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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