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The Media Want the U.S. to Fail - (proof galore from Cliff Kincaid at AIM.ORG)
A.I.M.ORG ^ | JUNE 30, 2005 | CLIFF KINCAID

Posted on 06/30/2005 1:36:43 PM PDT by CHARLITE

We recently got a call from Don Wycliff of the Chicago Tribune, who we later found out is the "public editor" of that paper. That is supposed to mean that he objectively analyzes complaints about the paper's coverage. He was calling us because we were critical of the media's misreporting of the Iraq War, and we contend that the coverage is a major factor in the military recruiting problem.

His bias was apparent in his approach. In his column he did mention a couple examples we cited, but he conveyed his prejudice in how he wrote his piece. Don't take our word for it. Creag Banta sent us a copy of a letter he had sent to Wycliff. This letter says it all. He notes that Wycliff starts out by referring to "an organization called Accuracy in Media." This is clever bias. In other words, the organization is not really committed to accuracy in media, it is only called that. Creag Banta writes, "Cliff consistently comments on media representations of fact that are loaded with emotionally slanted language. Your response honors what he is doing by presenting your position through the same slanted language."

Banta goes on to cite more examples. Wycliff, for example, refers to the "so-called war on terror." Banta asks, "What would you call it, accurately" Wycliff uses the phrase "so-called" to cast doubt on what we are doing. It's as if he believes in some grand conspiracy that the war on terror is just a cover for depriving Americans of their civil liberties. Or perhaps he believes it's just a scheme to take control of Middle East oil supplies. By using the phrase, "so-called," Wycliff enters the Michael Moore camp.

(Excerpt) Read more at aim.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: accuracyinmedia; badnews; cliff; failure; iraq; issue; kincaid; media; politics; propaganda; theme

1 posted on 06/30/2005 1:36:45 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

Of course they do. Any good news for America is bad for the radical socialists that want to hi-jack our free Republic...pretty easy to see, hear and understand already...


2 posted on 06/30/2005 1:39:46 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: CHARLITE

What the DemocRATS and their toadies in the "media" want is "another Vietnam." They become hysterical and go over the edge when the good guys win.


3 posted on 06/30/2005 1:42:14 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: CHARLITE

Who cares, the Lame Steam Press is yesterday's news and will continue to diminish in importance as the days go past!


4 posted on 06/30/2005 1:56:31 PM PDT by zzen01
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To: FlingWingFlyer

What's interesting about the left's obsession with Vietnam...which they consider one of their greatest successes, is that they still lost. While we may have left 'Nam, the political advantage they sought...and still seek today, was a failure.

Nixon was still elected twice with everything they threw at him, and if not for Watergate, another Republican may have followed. The fact that they continue down this path is just another indication of their neurosis.


5 posted on 06/30/2005 2:03:24 PM PDT by cwb
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To: CHARLITE

Do they just really hate Bush that much or am I missing something here? Surely the dems and the media don't want America to lose the WOT.....do they? Or is it they don't want a Republican admin. to win the WOT? Don't we all lose (right or left) if America loses the WOT? I'm very confused.


6 posted on 06/30/2005 2:04:06 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (The New York Times ~ Now 89% Fact Free!)
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To: All
we agree with Banta that there are too many in the media who want the U.S. under President Bush to fail.

I think the difference between Viet Nam and the war to defend against radical Islam is this:

The Viet Nam era "anti-war" and MSM crowd wanted their Ho in Hanoi to win. (Post war comments by NV general Giap praised the American press as his "most valuable guerrilla.")

No one in today's "anti-war" and MSM crowd (I hope) wants radical Islam to win. They do want, as Ellen Ratner put it, Bush to "mess up."

Of course a "mess up" would mean a larger number of U.S. casualties -- but as a letter published in the S.F. Chronicle put it, the losses would be worth it to get rid of Bush.

The "anti-war" and MSM crowd sees domestic political advantages for them but also, just as important IMO, they want the U.S. to have to crawl to an international group and hand over responsibility and our military to it to fight the war.

One thing is the same however, "Bring it all down, man" is the objective.

7 posted on 06/30/2005 2:07:40 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: EagleUSA

The radical socialists/commies will get their come uppance when/if we get hit again.


8 posted on 06/30/2005 2:08:43 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (FAKE conservatism is more dangerous than liberalism <<<---at least you know what you're gonna get!)
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To: Liberty Valance

For a reference, see Ronald Reagan and the Cold War. These people have been doing this for decades, to the point were we had an actual US President conspiring with the Soviets for the electoral defeat of Reagan.

The last thing these libs want is a successful conclusion to this war. And while I have no doubt that if this was Clinton's war they would be supporting it, they just cannot allow Bush (and America) this victory.

While much of this is politics, there is also a vitriolic segment of the Left that cannot stand America's strength and power relative to the rest of the world. Unfortunately, this segment now has a greater voice and influence in the Democrat Party than ever before.


9 posted on 06/30/2005 2:15:29 PM PDT by cwb
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To: cwb

You are 100% correct.


10 posted on 06/30/2005 2:17:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: cwb

"These people have been doing this for decades, to the point were we had an actual US President conspiring with the Soviets for the electoral defeat of Reagan. "

It started in the 20's with the bolshevics - The NY Times covered up Stalins theft of the Breadbasket of Europe to build the biggest war machine in the world and thats how we got WWII.


11 posted on 06/30/2005 2:21:38 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: FlingWingFlyer

"What the DemocRATS and their toadies in the "media" want is "another Vietnam."


NO MORE NAMS! GET THE PRESS NOW!


12 posted on 06/30/2005 2:22:59 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: CHARLITE

The mainstream media is populated and dominated by those personality-types that think that the only way they can win is for everybody else to lose. Since GW Bush symbolizes success in America and the world, the greatest animosity must be directed to him, and then the American military, etc., as successful symbols of success. The reason most of these mainstream editors and columnists have been so critical and resentful of success is because they feel anything but successful at what they do. So instead of improving their own failing newspapers and poor writing abilities, they are so presumptuous as to tell the President how to run the country and lecture the Pope endlessly on what is moral and virtuous.

In their revised world view and history, losing is winning -- and so when you thought these mainstream media personalities were losers of the greatest magnitude, they're trying to convince us they were the real winners, they're really the President of the United States -- if only we'd open our eyes and listen to them. Thus they counsel, "Winning is losing. Good is bad. Up is down. Left is right." Stay tuned for tomorrow's directives on how you ought to think -- as they decree.


13 posted on 06/30/2005 2:24:51 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: spanalot

I agree that it started much earlier...however, it has become more pervasive than ever before. These more radical elements were often kept in check, relegated to the fringe by many of their own party faithful.

What we see today, is a party faithful that is embracing this element. I never thought I would see the day that Michael Moore would be a guest, sitting next to a former Democrat president at a nationally televised convention. While these elements did exist in the past, they weren't paraded out front like they are today.


14 posted on 06/30/2005 2:27:38 PM PDT by cwb
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To: CHARLITE
The media is in business due in large part by their ability to "create" news were it isn't. I know of no better example than television news.

Has anyone ever noticed the difference between weekday and weekend news coverage? During the week, the network channels have up to two hours of combined network and local news around the dinner hour. On weekends it dwindles to an hour.

Do news worthy stories only occur during the week? Of course not. The only logical reason I can see is that the networks are combining with local efforts to manufacture news that is controversial.
15 posted on 06/30/2005 2:38:10 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: cwb

"however, it has become more pervasive than ever before."

No - it was worse back then but now, the MSM no longer has a monopoly and we just know of it better.

Back in the 30's, there were newspapers that were not towing the marxist line. They were showing the millions being killed by Stalin in 1932. The Hearst papers were one group but he was hounded to death and ridiculed by the intelligentsia - e.g. "Citizen Kane", the "greatest" movie of all time.


16 posted on 06/30/2005 2:38:16 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: MikeHu

The "L" word is not liberal or leftist -- it's "Loser."

That's why whenever they see "W," they go ballistic with hatred, fury and righteous indignation.


17 posted on 06/30/2005 2:43:52 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: spanalot

You're talking about newspapers and the media...I'm talking more about "the party." If we're talking newspapers and media, than we can say they have been this way since the founding of the country. What I am talking about (in response to the posters question) is the attitude of Democrats and their zeal to destroy any Republican, even at the expense of destroying this nation.

In fact, I would say that Vietnam was the turning point for this reformation. Political disagreements aside, what the Democrat party is doing today just wouldn't have been accepted 50 years ago. In fact, we had laws (Sedition Act, etc) and congressional committees (HUAC) that saw to that. From my perspective, this is a relatively new phenomena, born during the 60's.


18 posted on 06/30/2005 2:48:47 PM PDT by cwb
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To: cwb

"You're talking about newspapers and the media...I'm talking more about "the party.""

OK - but the dems and MSM have been in bed for a long time.


19 posted on 06/30/2005 3:06:37 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Liberty Valance

They really hate Bush that much.

They are totally illogical, so don't try to follow their logic.

They are irrational and would wish the country destroyed, wish our cities nuked, wish anything rather than see Bush succeed.

And if our cities were nuked, they would blame Bush, rather than their own actions.

If you understand that their emotional level is fourteen, and that like a fourteen-year-old the only thing that matters when they are angry (and the liberals are always angry these days) is that they get what they want and that anyone who stands in their way must pay.

If you understand the rage you will begin to understand them.


20 posted on 06/30/2005 4:06:48 PM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: MikeHu
"In their revised world view and history, losing is winning -- and so when you thought these mainstream media personalities were losers of the greatest magnitude, they're trying to convince us they were the real winners, they're really the President of the United States -- if only we'd open our eyes and listen to them. Thus they counsel, "Winning is losing. Good is bad. Up is down. Left is right." Stay tuned for tomorrow's directives on how you ought to think -- as they decree.

You are your customarily brilliant self, Mike. I always enjoy and appreciate your comments; - highly educated and aware insights.......and you certainly are right on the mark here. It's the Madhatter's Tea Party with each dawning new day for the Democrats. They make it up as they go along.

I believe that I just heard Rush say this morning that the Democrat "leadership" (the "elite of the elite") get together routinely to decide what their spin for that day or couple of days is going to be. Then, shortly after they've decided what their position will be, one begins to hear the exact same words and phrases coming out of the "alphabet" network news outlets and liberal print media.

They have no suggestions. They just come up (sometimes daily) with new phrases and attack slogans.

Thanks for your valuable contribution to this thread, Mike!

Char :)

21 posted on 06/30/2005 5:19:53 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: Liberty Valance
Do they just really hate Bush that much or am I missing something here? Surely the dems and the media don't want America to lose the WOT.....do they?

It is pretty clear that a large number actually do want us to lose - and for political gain.

22 posted on 06/30/2005 7:15:28 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: CHARLITE

Thanks for your words of appreciation; I'm pretty confident this site is one of the best reads/writes in the universe -- even if the mainstream media is fearful of giving us too much mention. They're going to try to suppress the truth as long as they're still breathing, after getting swept away by the tsunami that is the real collective consciousness of these times.

They dig little fortresses and moats in the sand, thinking that is enough to hold back the ocean that is the total content of society, and not just that small part they claim is all there is to see and know, and they have the exclusive jurisdiction to control. They can fool some of the people all the time, and all the people some of the time, but after a while, it all gets too familiar because they don't have any creative talents on their side. They have to wait for Dean to tell them what to write about -- and they all submissively plagiarize each other as though nobody thought of it before them. You've seen one, you've seen them all. They just do what their Bosses tell them -- while pretending to be in charge.


23 posted on 06/30/2005 11:03:06 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

I just love how they want Bush out of office. I don't suppose they've given even a minutes thought to the fact that if they were, by some strange quirk of fate, to succeed that Cheney would then become president.


24 posted on 06/30/2005 11:07:38 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Liberty Valance
"Don't we all lose (right or left) if America loses the WOT? I'm very confused."

The MSM and the folks who run the Democratic party now were siding with the Soviet Union for 50 years. Now they side with whomever will finish the job the Soviets could not do on their own. This means undermining America and everything it stands for. Their heroes are Jimmy Carter, Kofi Anan, Michael Moore, Hollywood idiots, etc. Fortunately our heroes are the ones whose faces we see in the mirror every morning. It is our fight to win the War on Terror (including the completion our mission in IRAQ).
25 posted on 05/07/2006 8:22:27 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: McGavin999
"I don't suppose they've given even a minutes thought to the fact that if they were, by some strange quirk of fate, to succeed that Cheney would then become president.
"

Think like them and it becomes clear. If the Democrats win the US House, impeachment proceedings begin and end with Bush out of office and Cheney gets a heart attack, Crazy Nancy becomes President.
26 posted on 05/07/2006 8:31:51 AM PDT by wmileo
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