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Koran predicts "Blazing Hell Fire" for its own demise - (eloquent ex-Muslim; Islam must be crushed!)
HISTORY OF JIHAD.ORG ^ | JUNE 29, 2005 | Jihad Team

Posted on 06/30/2005 8:47:47 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Mohammed organized a people made bitter by the environment; by institutionalizing this bitterness into the theology of Islam.

He encouraged people to worship him, his hair (Hazratbal mosque at Kashmir in India, his spitum, the water gargled by him, his urine, ad nausem) Thus Islam was his own personality cult, and his was a murderous personality. Warriors with a desire to win pleasure on earth if they live and in heaven if they die, made them paranoid warriors, disregarded danger and were numb to pain and this brought victory, no alcohol also helped immensely to get a tactical advantage like never before.

Not Alexander not Julius Caesar and one before Mohammed’s mulish armies had this paranoid motivation where temporal was mixed with fantasy (spiritual). Every foul tactic was fair for allah war. No moral scruples. Thus only an army with a greater determination and paranoia and absence of morals than the Muslims, can defeat Islam. And the Americans will have to become so, if they are to defeat the Islamic Jihad.

They were organized as an army, with a command that was inviolable, so only another army with a better and more disciplined command could defeat them. The Persian were no mach, but the Franks were. And the Americans will have to become so if the are to defeat the Jihad.

The point to be emphasized here is that out of the 28 battles, Mohammad fought 27 were offensive. They cannot even be called pre-emptive, since none of his adversaries had made plans to attack Mohammed. The Quraish had left him in peace after he fled to Medina. The Koran uses the principle of making a Hudna (pretence of making peace) when the enemy is strong, and using that period to making oneself stronger than the enemy. And after the enemy is weak to attack the enemy by giving offense and provoking the enemy.

Hitler too did this when he attacked Poland in World War two, by saying that the Poles has attacked Germany and that the Nazis were defending Germany. Hitler’s strategy bears an uncanny resemblance to the Quranic prescription.

The Quran advocates this policy of giving offense to an adversary and in fact sanctifies such abominable behavior as a holy duty for all Muslims by declaring the faith to them and giving them an option of embracing Isloam or being prepared for an attack by Muslims. The beginning of the Islamic Jihad was in Mohammed’s banditry.

Today if America wants to outdo the Jihadis at their own game it would do well, to emulate this Quranic principle of giving offense to the adversary (today’s Jihadis), and then going in to crush them utterly. America needs to realize that the only way of defeating the Jihad is by subjugating one Muslim country after another by taking out a few cities using nukes and neutrons and then giving them an ultimatum of leaving Islam or facing destruction. This is what Mohammed did to the Quraish, to the people of Taif, and this is also what the Muslims did to the Sassanian Persians, Byzantines, Visigoths in Al Andalus (Spain), and many others. It is high time to pay the Muslims with their own coin, and this is the only way to defeat them.


The fiction of there being moderate Muslims

As the war on Terror progresses, there is an increasing clamor that we need to link up with the moderates among the Muslims and thus isolate the lunatic fringe of terrorists who indulge in beheadings, genocide bombings, terror attacks et al. But then all these acts have been sanctioned in the Quran itself, which calls for the slaying of Idolaters (Kafirs), asks Muslim to let the Kafirs find harshness in you, and forbids Muslims from taking Kafirs as friends. All Muslims believe in the Quran, be he/she an unlettered peasant, or a highly educated and qualified doctor, surgeon, software pro, judge, littérateur, or any other accomplished professional. A Muslim howsoever polished and sophisticated remains a beast at heart, as long as he follows the Quran. Ask any educated Muslim anywhere in the world, whether he upholds the UN Charter, the Constitution of the USA, UK, France, where he and his family has settled for generations, or he upholds the Quran with all its blood-thirsty injunctions and listen to his answer. He will say, before the Quran everything is null and void.

Nothing that is contrary to the Quran’s blood-thirsty injunctions is not acceptable for him, so we can conclude that a Muslim can never in his heart of hearts be a member of a civilized society. He may pretend to be one, as Mohammed Atta pretended to be before he flew the airplanes into the Twin Towers, but within him the beast shall always be alive, waiting for the right chance to reveal himself. For a Muslim every personal friendship with non-Muslims, oath of citizenship, loyalty to the armed forces, is all transitory and subservient to the Quran. And he would cast off all oaths, promises in favor of the Quran whenever he is in a position of power to do so.

So we caution you that a Muslim is always a Muslim first and last. Never take Muslims for your friends, never ever trust them, never make peace with them, and always strive for their destruction. A Muslim would always remain a beast inside his external polished demeanor and appearance. Given a chance he will slice your throat, if you do not accept Islam. Any Muslim who refuses to do this would be deemed a traitor, a Murtad (Apostate) by other Muslims and be done to death. So no Muslim will dare to step out of line. Yes there could be many Muslims who think in their heart of hearts that Islam is savage. But they will never say that openly. We would deem such Muslims as ex-Muslims.

There are Muslims, ex-Muslims and non-Muslims. There are no moderate Muslims.

A Moderate Muslim is like a lady being partially pregnant. This is fiction, either you are pregnant or you are not. So you are either a Muslim (and a follower of theat barbaric Quran) or you are an ex-Muslim. You cannot be both a Muslim and civilized, you cannot be a Muslim and moderate. This is a contradiction in terms. You are either civilized moderate or you are a Muslim. Take your choice.

The Paradox of the death seeking psychology of Islam

This very death seeking psychology of Islam is also the behind their wanting to become a suicide bombers today. Any power that wants to defeat this death-seeking psychology, will have to be a death-giving one. Since Muslims want martyrdom, then only those who can give them this martyrdom fast and on a mass scale can overcome this delinquent psychology of the Muslims. The roots of Islam are psychological, and only one who understand this psychology, can overcome it. Islam is a psychology of perpetual war; a psychology that had existed among the pre-Islamic Bedioun Arabs.

But then this psychology was not a global problem, since the Arabs fought amongst themselves. With Islam this psychology was inbuilt into religion and infused with a zeal to impose this psychology on all those who were weak enough to fall before Muslim swords. As long as Islam has other religions on this globe, the war Jihad, will go on till the whole world is Islamized.

But in the unlikely event of the entire world being Islamized, will this violence stop? No Never. Then in that global Dar-ul-Islam, Muslims would fight amongst themselves Shias against Sunnis, Iranians against Iraqis, Arabs against non-Arabs and so on. Herein lies the paradox of Islam. As long as Islam is surrounded by other religions, there will be violence, but even after, and if at all, Islam is alone on this globe, there will still be endless violence, till Islam is put to an end. Islam has a senseless and unmanageable agenda, with other religions, while they are not sensible, at least they are manageable. Other religions bear animosity against each other, but they can be sobered down and made to co-exist with each other, as do Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Shintoism, Hinduism, Animism, etc. But Islam defies, being tamed, being made manageable. And it will defy till its violent end.

Before Islam burst upon the world, all other religions had made the world non-sensible, but it is Islam that has made religion unmanageable, Had Islam not been around, it would not have been necessary to think in terms of the demise of religion itself. It is Islam that is forcing and will continue to force humankind away from religion. While non-Islamic religions made man into a delinquent, who kept muttering to himself, Islam has made man into a delinquent who has gone violently berserk, The delinquent has now to be shot a tranquilizer and then given a strong sedative to sober him up, so that mankind can bury the delinquent behavior of religion which Islam has made criminal, and after which humankind can continue its march of knowledge and science to plant the banner of humanity across the universe, and not waste its energies in fighting against itself in the narrow confines of planet earth.

Unfortunately for humankind, the end of the death-seeking fiery cult of Islam can only come about through a fiery death-giving weapon. Ironically such nuclear mushroom clouds would be the blazing hell-fire that the Quran talks about and acknowledges will bring about an end to Islam such that there will be no one across the globe to say “Lah ilah il Allah, Mohammed ur Rasoolallah” (There is no god but allah and Mohammed is his prophet).


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1 posted on 06/30/2005 8:47:54 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: Cornpone

((((((Ping )))))))


2 posted on 06/30/2005 8:50:37 PM PDT by Chgogal ("Congressmen who willfully...during war...damage moral...should be arrested, exiled or..." Lincoln)
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To: CHARLITE
A Moderate Muslim is like a lady being partially pregnant. This is fiction, either you are pregnant or you are not. So you are either a Muslim (and a follower of theat barbaric Quran) or you are an ex-Muslim. You cannot be both a Muslim and civilized, you cannot be a Muslim and moderate. This is a contradiction in terms. You are either civilized moderate or you are a Muslim. Take your choice.

I think this is nonsense. I knew a woman who was a moderate Muslim. She was a sweet, daffy, absent-minded woman who believed it was her sacred duty to be a good mother, not drink any alcohol, always remember which way was East, and always make sure her purse matched her shoes. I am quite confident that she was equally devout and harmless.

3 posted on 06/30/2005 8:52:12 PM PDT by wizardoz
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To: Critical Bill; backhoe; MarineDad; kellynla; Lazamataz; CMOTB; Happy2BMe; SmithL; King Prout; ...
What impresses me is the ferocity of those who have had the courage, spiritual sense and tenacity (against all odds) to leave this cult with its murderous legacy, and then to speak out in an attempt to awaken the entire world to the venality of this barbaric "religious" monstrosity!

Char

4 posted on 06/30/2005 8:54:11 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: wizardoz; doug from upland
I'm sure that she was a nice, peace-loving lady. There are exceptions to the general rule in every group profiling.

Thanks for your comment, wiz.

Char :)

5 posted on 06/30/2005 9:03:10 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: Chgogal; Leapfrog
Thanks, Chgogal. The world (not ONLY America) needs to wake up.........quickly!

Char :)

6 posted on 06/30/2005 9:04:15 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

they freak me out.


7 posted on 06/30/2005 9:06:16 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: CHARLITE
Agreed.

Here is another good read from FPM. It's already posted by SJackson early this morning.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433762/posts
8 posted on 06/30/2005 9:07:09 PM PDT by Chgogal ("Congressmen who willfully...during war...damage moral...should be arrested, exiled or..." Lincoln)
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To: CHARLITE
"Thus only an army with a greater determination and paranoia and absence of morals than the Muslims, can defeat Islam."

Wrong premise.

Only a people who are morally justified (who just happen to be the biggest badass on the block if need be) will eradicate this plague upon mankind.

9 posted on 06/30/2005 9:07:25 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: CHARLITE
Before Islam burst upon the world, all other religions had made the world non-sensible...

I'd have to say that my faith in Christ makes a non-sensible world sensible, not the other way around. The writer has gone from Muslim to Atheist. Not so sure that is much of an improvement, though, I can't think of any atheist group that is overtly trying to kill me and everyone I know.

10 posted on 06/30/2005 9:07:55 PM PDT by buzzsaw6 (Lt. Col., USAF/Scoutmaster/American by birth...Southern by the grace of God)
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To: CHARLITE
>"Ironically such nuclear mushroom clouds would be the blazing hell-fire that the Quran talks about and acknowledges will bring about an end to Islam such that there will be no one across the globe to say “Lah ilah il Allah, Mohammed ur Rasoolallah” (There is no god but allah and Mohammed is his prophet)."


Sounds like a good plan to me! It's waaaaay past time to put that stuuuupid satanic cult to its own hellish end!

11 posted on 06/30/2005 9:13:55 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black send it back." Homer's guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: CHARLITE; fastattacksailor; broadsword; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; ariamne; ...
Thanks for the post Charlite.

Koranimals PING!

12 posted on 06/30/2005 9:19:15 PM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: CHARLITE
>>So we caution you that a Muslim is always a Muslim first and last. Never take Muslims for your friends, never ever trust them, never make peace with them, and always strive for their destruction. A Muslim would always remain a beast inside his external polished demeanor and appearance. Given a chance he will slice your throat, if you do not accept Islam.<<

Woeds such as this will be illegal if HR 2662 is passed!

HR 2662 http://tinyurl.com/835v5 , intends to enforce nation-wide the working
ADL/federal definition that 'hate' equals bias against federally-protected
groups. Particularly against:

Homosexuals. Any specific public criticism of homosexuals will eventually be considered a hate crime, just as it already has been for eleven Christians under the ADL's Pennsylvania hate crime law on Oct. 10, 2004.

Transvestites. Female impersonators, and persons with confused or altered gender, will gain special federal protection against bias-motivated threat. This includes transvestites who are threatened for sexist reasons by males who perceive them as really being women. Such men will be prosecuted as 'hate criminals' against women, even though the 'woman' they were biased against was actually a man!

Women. Any woman who claims, "The last time I had sex with him, he used a sexist word against me. He raped me!" can press charges for a 'hate crime' of rape. Punishment will be triple the usual penalty - about 30 years in prison.

HR 2662 will invite pedophiles, witches, warlocks, Satanists and even 'sinners' to acquire special federal protection from anyone who criticizes them, including pastors. Witches and warlocks in England are, today, lobbying hard for inclusion under Britain,s ADL hate law.

If passed, HR 2662 will provide immediate special FBI, Justice Department and local police assistance to protected groups that claim to have been offended. On the slightest evidence of bias, the police will descend [as the world saw happen last October in Philadelphia] upon Christians, pastors, talk show hosts and radio station managers, indicting them with trumped-up 'hate crime.' charges and exorbitant penalties.

FEDERAL TAKEOVER OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT

A huge barrier to establishment of a federal hate bureaucracy has been the sovereign right of states to enforce the law as they see fit. Heretofore, the federal government has had to prove that such abuses as jury tampering, voter fraud, and slavery existed in states before it could meddle in state law enforcement. HR 2662 would legitimize as law several devious strategies to break down all barriers to federal intrusion.

HR 2662 asserts that if a violent bias crime within a state in any way affects interstate commerce, the federal government has the right to invade state law enforcement. This means that, if a homosexual has been called a 'faggot' and been threatened to have his butt kicked by a gas station attendant, and as a result does not patronize that gas station, whose products have come from across the state line, the federal government can intervene. Or if the homosexual buys a Greyhound ticket (vehicle of interstate commerce) to resettable in San Francisco as a result of such threatened 'violence,' the federal government has a green light to take over state hate crime law enforcement in that state. Sec. 7(2)(B), Sec. 2(5-8).

HR 2662 asserts that bias-motivated violence in states is a 'relic' of slavery. This bill contends that the presence of bias-motivated violent crime within a state is proof that slavery still exists in that state. This provides the same justification for intervention that the federal government had in putting down slavery during the Civil War! Sec. 2(10,11).

Under HR 2662, the government can take over local law enforcement if 1. states do not have hate laws; Sec. B (b)(2A)
2. states are not enforcing state and federal hate laws as zealously as the federal government wishes; Sec.B (b)(2A)
3. states do not produce the kind of verdicts in hate crimes trials that the federal government wants. Sec. B (b)(2D)

VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION

HR 2662 is in flat violation of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which prohibits government from favoring any particular group.

HR 2662 will give ADL complete control of the federal anti-hate agenda. Very quickly, via enabling legislation and judicial precedent, any pretext of respect for the rights of Christians or dissenters will dissolve. This has already happened under the ADL anti-hate law in Canada, England, Ireland, Sweden, France, Italy, Australia, New Zealand, and under Pennsylvania's ADL hate law in Philadelphia on Oct. 10th.

All criticism of protected groups via politically incorrect terms, such as 'homosexual' or 'sodomite,' will become hate crime, just as it is under the British ADL hate law.

A huge number of legal precedents will continuously widen hate law jurisdiction.

Courts will quickly become clogged with federal indictments.

Staggering backlogs of unresolved cases, will make the federal hate law, like Roe vs. Wade, virtually impossible to repeal.

FCC restrictions will soon descend on talk show hosts with lists of unapproved topics. Talk show hosts will be fined or imprisoned and stations will lose their broadcast licenses, just as in Canada today, if they violate those restrictions.
13 posted on 06/30/2005 9:19:45 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: wizardoz

The so-called "moderate" muslims are muslims only in name - were they to sincerely follow the tenets of Islam they would no longer remain moderate. Islam is the only religion where the more religious a person becomes, the more he would tend towards violence & extremism - witness the Taleban (literally "islamic students") of Afghanistan.


14 posted on 06/30/2005 9:26:17 PM PDT by ttsmi
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To: Eastbound
"Only a people who are morally justified (who just happen to be the biggest badass on the block if need be) will eradicate this plague upon mankind."

I agree with you, Eastbound. I thought the same thing as I read it. This author's native language probably isn't English. I can see that from the style and various little punctuation quirks throughout the piece.

I think that he means that to defeat this 1,400 year old monster, the U.S. must fight "the good fight" - meaning without compunction about "mishandling the Koran." We must be focused and ruthless.

You notice that the writer doesn't hesitate to say that we have to nuke some cities to bring Islam down. It's a "shock and awe" tactic which translates into raw, brute POWER........and we should all know that this is the only thing that these rabid Muslims understand and respect.

Ordering our military guards to Tip-toe around the corridors at Guantanamo five times a day, so as not to disturb the caged terrorists when they "pray," is clearly not the winning approach!

Char

15 posted on 06/30/2005 9:35:20 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

bookmark


16 posted on 06/30/2005 9:37:16 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: ttsmi

her friend is a non-practicing one.

face uncovered.
shoes that can be seen to match a purse...
meaning ankles and wrists are exposed.

sounds like she knew the lady but not the husband or her friend's 'minder' either.

islam is really quite strict about these things.
the only good muslim... is a nonpracticingone.

if they obey mohammet, if her friend... obeyed mohammet... her friend would kill us.

push even a non praticing mussie about it, and most of them will admit to hating jews and wanting them expelled from Israel... and they give some tacit support intellectually to the pallies.

muslims are the trash of the planet...
and I don't think they can be 'unradicalized' in any means short of complete and total subjugation.

We shall see in Iraq.
If they stop stoning women.
If they stop beheading men.
If they allow freedom of religion.
If they allow freedom of dress.
If they allow freedom of speech.

and I am not very hopeful about the outcome.
allah doesn't like individual freedom.


17 posted on 06/30/2005 9:50:50 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Get your brand new 'penumbra and emanation' scopes while they are hot, two for fifty cents!!!)
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To: CHARLITE
On the otherhand;...
The Quran and Hadiths(source of the Quran) studied properly..
Islam might be LAUGHED out of existence....

Because those volumns are funny in the extreme..
Spread among Muslims this information might get them laughing themselves and at each other..

Gitmo University should have a course in stand up comedy..
Provide a joke, you get to eat..

18 posted on 06/30/2005 10:02:08 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: CHARLITE
“Lah ilah il Allah, Mohammed ur Rasoolallah” (There is no god but allah and Mohammed is his prophet).

I like my version better.

If they had had Thorazine or Haldol in the 7th century there would be no Islam.
19 posted on 06/30/2005 10:05:30 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: CHARLITE
Thanks for the note, Char. As far as nukes are concerned, a first strike is a bad idea. If we are nuked first, then it will be time to clean out the arsenals and scorch the earth wherever it needs scorching.

If some myths are true, it won't be the first time that entire region became radioactive.

Personally, I think the only salvation for Islam is for them to quarantine themselves and isolate themselves from humanity. Perhaps in time it might evolve into a bloodless 'religion.'

Very quickly, I would imagine -- once they realize the only human sacrifices they'll have access to are their own family members.

20 posted on 06/30/2005 10:05:45 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: CHARLITE

Great article. Great advice. Hope someone in the admin. is paying attention.


21 posted on 06/30/2005 10:09:37 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Eastbound

"morally justified"


You are exactly correct.

But .. in the war in Ezekiel, it's Russia, China, and all the Muslim nations from the north who congregate in the Valley of Miggido .. to take out Israel because they are the worst nation on the face of the earth. However, what they don't know is that although Israel's army will show up in the Valley to meet them .. somebody else will also show up - the somebody who has ALL THE MORAL AUTHORITY necessary to take on this murderous bunch .. GOD. When GOD starts throwing rocks .. this bunch will not know what hit them .. and the world is going to be able to view the massacre on TV. On top of Mt. Carmel in the Valley of Miggigo is a TV station.

In Nahum 1:3 - "The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: ..."

In Nahum 1:6 - "Who can stand before His indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by Him."

Betcha didn't know GOD throws rocks ..??


22 posted on 06/30/2005 10:11:23 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: wizardoz

Women have no standing/power as Muslims. That woman you knew could well have been kindly, etc., but her male relatives could have been something else. In a very real sense, it's comparable to Catholics espousing abortion. Various Cardinals during the recent Presidential campaign called for John Kerry's excommunication/or denial of the Sachrament of the Eucharist because of his publicly stated position. (How would the world react if the Pope suddenly talked about returning to the days of the Spanish Inquisition or suggested chopping off the heads of non-Catholics? You can bet your bottom dollar the Vatican wouldn't receive the 'we need to understand' nonsense Islam and Muslims get.) Religion and certainly Catholicism isn't a buffet where you pick and choose what to believe. You eat the whole enchilada.


23 posted on 06/30/2005 10:26:13 PM PDT by hershey
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To: CHARLITE

Here's a quote from Iraq:.....

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! God Bless you all Amen !


24 posted on 06/30/2005 10:34:37 PM PDT by danamco
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To: CyberAnt
I would call it justice, rather than a massacre, if the Miggido Valley story is literal. Massacres are without discrimination. Those who gather for the battle will be specifically discriminated against.

Rocks? That could be a short form for 'rockets.' Perhaps a translation error. ;>

Or perhaps those 'Little Boys' and 'Fat Man's' look like rocks from a distance.

Either way, whatever works. I tend to believe that God works through his people these days. He has provided us with the means to do his will.

25 posted on 06/30/2005 10:39:04 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: CHARLITE

VERY INTERESTING -

1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq!

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace!)

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

17. The wise men were from Iraq.

18. Peter preached in Iraq.

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq!

And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, Persia and Mesopotamia The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.

And also.. This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! God Bless you all Amen !


26 posted on 06/30/2005 10:39:12 PM PDT by danamco
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To: hershey
Religion and certainly Catholicism isn't a buffet where you pick and choose what to believe. You eat the whole enchilada.

Actually, it is a buffet. The world is TEAMING with people who are browsing complacently along, picking through their religions, choosing which rules they agree with and sort of shrugging off those they don't. All anyone needs is a holy book and the ability to read it, and immediately they'll gravitate to some elements of their religion more than others. And the Muslim world is teaming with vague types whose notion of Islam is as generic and shallow as the many "Christians" who aren't even sure if they believe Jesus rose again.

Look, I'm no fan of Islam. But there are moderate muslims. They are muslims because they were raised that way (so they certainly aren't anything else) but they are moderate because they are just not that into religion. You've seen the Christian equivalent. Is it really so hard to believe there are Muslims who have some vague notion that being muslim means, essentially, you don't eat pork and you pray to the east... and not much else?

27 posted on 06/30/2005 10:40:01 PM PDT by wizardoz
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To: danamco
I just did a search of an online Koran and all I found for Chapter 9, verse 11, was:

But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

28 posted on 06/30/2005 10:45:11 PM PDT by wizardoz
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bflr


29 posted on 06/30/2005 10:46:45 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (You can't spell 'compASSionate' without the letters A, S, and S!!!)
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To: danamco

I also searched for the word "eagle" and nothing came up. I went to two different online versions and searched. Nothing came up.


30 posted on 06/30/2005 10:47:04 PM PDT by wizardoz
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To: wizardoz

Clearly, American Catholics have a big problem with endorsing everything that emanates from the Vatican, and even without the pedophile priest scandals, this caused huge losses among the faithful. Islam is even more vocal when it comes to making sure believers stick to the Koran. That said, fanaticism in any form is dangerous, and wars over religion have killed more people than you can shake a stick at.

The US has a large resident Muslim population from Middle Eastern countries, and among them are surely many who just want to live a peaceful life, etc.. But some of these people have families in Pakistan or Iran, or wherever. What happens when just such a Muslim is told relatives back home will suffer or die if he doesn't join in the Jihad against the West? This is a very real dilemma.


31 posted on 06/30/2005 10:51:22 PM PDT by hershey
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To: CHARLITE

Thanks for posting.


32 posted on 06/30/2005 10:52:38 PM PDT by kalee
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To: hershey; danamco
Oh, there's plenty to worry about, no question. I'm just taking exception to the statement in the original post that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Yes, there is.

And danamco would do well to check out this link.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_quran_911.htm

33 posted on 06/30/2005 10:54:49 PM PDT by wizardoz
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To: wizardoz

It appeared an awfully strident screed to me as well.


34 posted on 06/30/2005 10:56:03 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: wizardoz; danamco

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran.asp

Snopes debunks this as an urban legend.
Sounds good, but it is NOT in the koran.


35 posted on 06/30/2005 10:56:43 PM PDT by kalee
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To: wizardoz

We don't know all the particulars and details about the author's experience as a Muslim, and what happened after he left the religion. So the article is anecdotal and very personal. Of course, considering 9/11 and everything else, it has relevance.


36 posted on 06/30/2005 11:08:31 PM PDT by hershey
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To: kalee

Thank you for correcting me!
I'll forward this back to whom I got it from!!
I should have checked it out, but got it from a Christian friend, sorry!!!


37 posted on 06/30/2005 11:08:51 PM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco

danamco wrote:

> The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)
>
> Koran (9:11)...

As much as I would like to believe this, it is fiction! Check out this site:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/k/koran-war.htm

The radical IMAMS would be in a tizzy if it were true because they can read the KORAN probably better than you or I! They would ALL be preaching dis-engagement from the moment that the U.S. (Eagle) started putting men and materiel into Kuwait, and counciling woud-be head-hackers and suicide murders to stay at home. This just hasn't happened!


38 posted on 06/30/2005 11:19:17 PM PDT by coldoc
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To: wizardoz; CHARLITE

I am equally certain that there were Nazi Germans who were generally alright folks - but this in no way demonstrates that Nazism was anything other than barbarous.


39 posted on 06/30/2005 11:28:02 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: Kozak; CHARLITE

If Justinian had not persecuted the Monophysites, had not squandered the wealth of his empire on the folly of reconquering Italy, had not wasted Bellisarius' talents, and had joined in some form of peace with Khosroes of Persia... there would never have been an Islam.


40 posted on 06/30/2005 11:30:32 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: wizardoz
Plenty of Satanists here in the good ole US of A as well are "harmless"

Well we don't want those idiots here either.

41 posted on 06/30/2005 11:30:49 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: danamco

Holy $hi#!!!! Talk about ALARMING. Where did you find out about this? Can you freepmail me please?


42 posted on 06/30/2005 11:32:49 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: danamco

Disregard my last request. Searched and found the verse to be a hoax.


43 posted on 06/30/2005 11:36:39 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: coldoc

Thank you for the correction, sorry!!!


44 posted on 06/30/2005 11:36:57 PM PDT by danamco
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To: Windsong

A hoax, it was e-mailed to me from a trusted friend, sorry!!!


45 posted on 06/30/2005 11:38:46 PM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco; Windsong; All
sorry - that's a bit of hogwash that is making the rounds.

that verse appears nowhere in the Koran.
certainly not suriyah 9:11 -

[9.9] They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do.
[9.10] They do not pay regard to ties of relationship nor those of covenant in the case of a believer; and these are they who go beyond the limits.

[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.
[9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.
[9.13] What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

46 posted on 06/30/2005 11:41:53 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: Eastbound

1 - yes, I would agree it will be justice. Eze 36-37-38-39 - facinating story.

2 - As for a translation error about "rocks" .. remember - the people who wrote this had never seen a rocket. And .. don't discount hail as being rocks.

3 - Yes, GOD does work through his people but this fight will be against the foes of Israel - and GOD has a separate covenant with them.


47 posted on 07/01/2005 12:46:19 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CHARLITE
cc: President Bush, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Condi......


Nukes and Ultimatums

worked in '45, works in '05.
48 posted on 07/01/2005 1:08:55 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Eastbound

"Thus only an army with a greater determination and paranoia and absence of morals than the Muslims, can defeat Islam."
Wrong premise.



I agree. Its just that today the definition of morals have been changed to something closer to tolerance and diversity.

Truman had Morals, which is why he decided to use the bomb. He not only saved a million Americans but probably many more millions of japanese. Cause you know, morality encompasses looking ahead as well as looking at what is going on now.


And the future, if not changed soon, will bring us Islam armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons aimed at US.


49 posted on 07/01/2005 1:21:27 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Eastbound

If we are nuked first, then it will be time to clean out the arsenals and scorch the earth wherever it needs scorching



IMHO, we were nuked first. Actually we were nuked twice. Both in the same place.

-WTC 1993, by the grace of God, the building didn't go down immediately and kill tens of thousands.

-WTC 2001, the destruction was equal to a suitcase nuke at least.

Waiting to be nuked again, would be suicidal to this country. It could come from a shipping container, a truck coming across our unguarded border and do you think, in our present PC mentality, we would strike back against some country without "proof" that country was "involved".


No we can not wait to be nuked.


50 posted on 07/01/2005 1:40:52 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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