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Freerepublic “Who leaked to Novak” Discussion Thread

Posted on 07/01/2005 1:09:11 PM PDT by Shermy

The investigation into leaks beginning with Robert Novak’s “Mission to Niger” appear to be coming to a close. The investigation is larger than merely who spoke to Novak. Here is a discussion thread for guesses who the guilty parties are in four of the investigation’s subjects: A. Robert Novak, B. Matthew Cooper/Time Magazine, C. Wall Street Journal, D. Judith Miller.

Feel free to add more subjects or comment on the whole matter as you please. And Happy Fourth of July!

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A. Novak: On July 14, 2003 Robert Novak published Mission to Niger. These are his famous 38 words:

“Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report.”

On October 1, 2003 Novak published The CIA Leak. which contains some hints - or deceptions. Here is Novak’s hint for “leak” no. 1:

During a long conversation with a senior administration official, I asked why Wilson was assigned the mission to Niger. He said Wilson had been sent by the CIA's counterproliferation section at the suggestion of one of its employees, his wife. It was an offhand revelation from this official, who is no partisan gunslinger.

Here is Novak’s hint “leak” no. 2:

”When I called another official for confirmation, he said: "Oh, you know about it."

Who are the officials behind “leaks” nos. 1 and 2?

B. Matthew Cooper/Time Magazine: on July 17, 2003 Time Magazine web-published A War on Wilson?, Cooper having the lead credit. The article says:

And some government officials have noted to TIME in interviews, (as well as to syndicated columnist Robert Novak) that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Who are “some government officials?"

C. Wall Street Journal: On October 17, 2003 the article Memo May Aid Leak Probe appeared in the Wall Street Journal. The description of one of the two memos documenting how Plame recommended her husband for the Niger trip fits, IMO, the definition of “leak.”

An internal government memo addresses some of the mysteries at the center of the White House leak investigation and could help investigators in the search for who disclosed the identity of a Central Intelligence Agency operative, according to two people familiar with the memo.

Who are the “two people?” Side note: the information in this article Jeff Gannon/Guckert used for his interview of Wilson, though some speculated he had independent access to the memo.

D. Judith Miller: Unknown what she is wanted for by investigators. Some un-attributed articles say she was collecting information for a story on Valerie Plame or Wilson’s involvement in the WMD investigations.

Why do investigators want Judith Miller to testify?


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KEYWORDS: cialeak; josephwilson; novak; plame; plamegate; valerieplame
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1 posted on 07/01/2005 1:09:11 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

IMHO, Novak lied thru his teeth as to who his source was. He hates this President and everyone in it and laid this at the administration's feet.


2 posted on 07/01/2005 1:10:42 PM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: Shermy

Mebbe it was Mr. Deep Throat himself (Felt).


3 posted on 07/01/2005 1:10:42 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Shermy

My money has always been on Joe Wilson.


4 posted on 07/01/2005 1:12:51 PM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Shermy

I say Joe Wilson......but who knows?


5 posted on 07/01/2005 1:13:41 PM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: Fedora; piasa; okie01; Thud; seamole; cyncooper; Kenny Bunk; Wolfstar; gaspar; Mo1; Howlin; Dog; ...

Friday ping.


6 posted on 07/01/2005 1:14:15 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
If it's someone in the Administration, the New York Times will self destruct in a mass of contradictions:They howled for investigations, then suddenly said the investigation was ridiculous because no crime was committed. And of course if it's someone in the Administration, they will return to their howling.

This story is a landmark in at least one way: The MSM are condemning a whistleblower. Funny how they only do that when the whistle is being blown on someone in cahoots with a Clintonista.

7 posted on 07/01/2005 1:16:59 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: Shermy

I did, and I'm sorry for all the trouble it has caused. At least a New York Times reporter gets to go to jail over it though.


8 posted on 07/01/2005 1:17:23 PM PDT by Moral Hazard (I question the bargaining power of the Union of the Snake.)
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To: Shermy

IIRC, she was already known as a CIA employee. I don't think she was ever an under cover operative (spy) though.


9 posted on 07/01/2005 1:17:29 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: PilloryHillary
Wilson leaked his job to his wife on their third date. Good thing she wasn't a double agent.

Once a leak....always a leak.....

10 posted on 07/01/2005 1:17:59 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Shermy

Joseph Wilson was the source.


11 posted on 07/01/2005 1:19:51 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Shermy

It was Joe Wilson.


12 posted on 07/01/2005 1:23:24 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Shermy

The whole investigation started because the left thought that they could get the Bush Administration!

Now it looks as though they have caught there own, AGAIN!

"What goes around, comes around," "you reap what you sow!"


13 posted on 07/01/2005 1:23:47 PM PDT by standing united (82nd ABN 1/508th BN Bco 1st Sqd. Alpha Fireteam Leader: "fury from the sky" 8-Duce on the Loose!!)
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To: Shermy; cyncooper
To add into the mix...................

The Real Whistle Blower (NY Sun Editorial)

14 posted on 07/01/2005 1:25:06 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: My2Cents; Shermy

Mine too! But I don't rule out there being more than just one leaker. Both/all of them, in my opinion, are Clinton holdovers working for the administration. Otherwise, the reporters would have quickly either reported, or leaked, who it was.


15 posted on 07/01/2005 1:27:01 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: My2Cents
Good afternoon.
"My money has always been on Joe Wilson."

Mine, too.

Michael Frazier
16 posted on 07/01/2005 1:31:12 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: MizSterious
Good point. Maybe Wilson was the original source, and Novak may have talked to some White House source; the WH source, knowing that Novak already knew, confirmed it.

BTW, has it ever been confirmed that Plame was indeed a classified officer of the CIA, and not simply some analyst? The "All Stars" on with Brit Hume last night were saying that there was no crime committed in the "leak."

17 posted on 07/01/2005 1:32:32 PM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: MizSterious

Here's my latest guesses:

“Leak” no. 1 to Novak (assuming his "not a partisan gunslinger" description isn't deceptive):

Win: Lawrence Wilkinson (Colin Powell aide)
Place: Richard Clarke
Show: George Tenet
Longshots: Alan Foley, Greg Thielmann, Powell

“Leak” no. 2 to Novak:
Win: Richard Clarke
Place: Scooter Libby
Show: Colin Powell
Longshot: Ari Fleischer

B: Cooper’s “Some government officials”
Pick ‘em: Thielmann, Foley, Clarke, Wilson, Plame, Libby

C: State Department Memo Leak to Wall Street Journal
Pick 'em: Some no-name apparatchiks, Ari Fleischman, George Tenet


18 posted on 07/01/2005 1:33:23 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
The CIA is part of the administration .. is it not.

Who would know that Wilson's wife reccomended him for the job. To whom did the wife reccomend him? It had to be a CIA job. She had to reccomend her husband to someone who knew her and knew her husband. That means someone in the CIA.

Would the man in charge of picking the person to make the trip tell the presidents staff... I picked Wilson for this job becuase his wife told me to pick him?

At least one of the presidents staffers no doubt asked the person in charge of this at the CIA about who was piked to do the job. That person likely replied ,"Joe Wilson" Do you thihk that if the staffer asked why Wilson was picked the person who hired him would say... "His wife told me to hire him"

The leaker in my view is someone in the FBI that did not like Plume using her position to get choice jobs for her husband.

You can bet that if knowing who the leaker is could hurt George W. Bush.. the Times would have released that person's name before the judge finished asking.

19 posted on 07/01/2005 1:33:48 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Shermy

MD4BUSH?


20 posted on 07/01/2005 1:34:37 PM PDT by DrewsDad
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To: Shermy
My money's on Alan Foley as one of Novak's sources.

For those unfamiliar with the background, Foley was Plame's superior in the Counter-Proliferation Section. And he hastily "resigned", in order to "spend more time with his family", in early August -- about a month after Novak's column.

21 posted on 07/01/2005 1:34:45 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Shermy

Well, now that you mention it, I've also toyed with Colin Powell being the leaker, a thought that occurred to me after he "retired." If it's Wilkinson, I'd lay odds that he did so with the blessing of Powell.


22 posted on 07/01/2005 1:36:59 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: MizSterious

I think whomever told Novak and Cooper had no negative purpose. They were told the name to flesh out the story, "on background", and trusted the name would not be used.


23 posted on 07/01/2005 1:39:59 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: okie01

Alan Foley is a very good one.


24 posted on 07/01/2005 1:40:52 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

Damn that Columbo, he's never around when you need him. Hey Barney!


25 posted on 07/01/2005 1:41:21 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Sacajaweau

Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson - - two airheads joined in matrimony. What a gaseous combination.


26 posted on 07/01/2005 1:43:37 PM PDT by hgro (ews)
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To: Shermy
My money is on Plame herself.She had nothing to lose,everybody already knew.

From her point of view,it would finally make people pay attention to her, instead of her pompous self-absorbed husband.

27 posted on 07/01/2005 1:45:02 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: Shermy

Who cares?


28 posted on 07/01/2005 1:46:04 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Shermy

I don't know who leaked, but the fact is we are going to find out very soon. Imagine: Deep Throat could keep his anonymity for over 30 years. Novak's 'source' will be known in less than 2.


29 posted on 07/01/2005 1:49:11 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Shermy
"Who Leaked to Novak?"

IMHO this is not only the wrong question, it is the democrat/traitors attempt to divert attention from the real issue:

Who appointed a known partisan hack (Wilson) to do a non-investigation into WMD in Niger in the first place and why hasn't Wilson been prosecuted for obvious lies (even treason)?

The Wilson/Niger trip was a set up from the beginning. The Clintonoid hold overs in CIA and State picked one of their own to go whitewash the clear evidence that Saddam was trying to buy nuclear material from Niger. The clown "sipped tea and talked to a few government flunkies" and then wrote a hit piece which was illegally leaked to dim friendly news organizations. When they got caught they immediately turned to their allies in the MSM to stir up this so called controversy about Novak's source on Plame's identity.

Well, I think it's relevant that a partisan hack with zero expertize in the field is put on this kind of critical national security investigation by his "significant other." I also think it's a perfect irony that it is two MSM hacks from the NYT and Time Magazine who will end up taking the fall for the lefts vendetta against Novack.

I think the phrase "hoist by your own petard" is appropriate here. The historic reference for the origina of that phrase (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/183500.html) is:

A petard is an explosive device used to break down doors or walls. Hence - hoist on ones... Used by Shakespeare in Hamlet 'For tis the sport to have the enginer / Hoist with his owne petar'. From the French 'péter' - to fart.

30 posted on 07/01/2005 1:52:19 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: Shermy
To: Dog
Yes, on the list. I'm hoping they aren't just going after "administration" contacts, but "intel" ones too. The extreme spinning of this Newsday article could be a fearful response. Notice the absence of discussion about the target Newsday article, for one.

BTW, How come this was leaked to the CIA leak preferred paper Newsday???

List:

Robert Novak, "Crossfire," "Capital Gang" and the Chicago Sun-Times

Knut Royce and Timothy M. Phelps, Newsday

Walter Pincus, Richard Leiby, Mike Allen, Dana Priest and Glenn Kessler, The Washington Post

Matthew Cooper, John Dickerson, Massimo Calabresi, Michael Duffy and James Carney, Time magazine

Evan Thomas, Newsweek

Andrea Mitchell, "Meet the Press," NBC

Chris Matthews, "Hardball,"

MSNBC

Tim Russert, Campbell Brown, NBC

Nicholas D. Kristof, David E. Sanger and Judith Miller, The New York Times

Greg Hitt and Paul Gigot, The Wall Street Journal

John Solomon, The Associated Press

Jeff Gannon, Talon News

16 posted on 03/06/2004 1:54:19 PM MST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Imagine that!
17 posted on 03/06/2004 4:08:24 PM MST by Jeff Gannon (Listen to my radio show "Jeff Gannon's Washington" on www.RIGHTALK.com)

Was it old "Bulldog" Jeff Gannon?

31 posted on 07/01/2005 1:56:05 PM PDT by Useless_eater_on_steroids ("The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." V.I. Lenin)
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To: Shermy

My theory is that the reporters are covering up for an administration source who has been helpful to them on other issues, or for someone who is outside the administration, read Dem, and planted the story to bring Bush down prior to the election.


32 posted on 07/01/2005 1:58:07 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Shermy
Most reporters deal in rumors, then attach, it was from a high reliable source in the Whitehouse. Novak made it all up.

Then to cover his bottom he gave it to the other two reporters.

33 posted on 07/01/2005 2:08:46 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
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To: Useless_eater_on_steroids

Hey, I forgot about the Newsday article. Along with Novak's article it was mentioned in the first government investigation documents/orders.

But I think it might have been dropped because the article came out more than a week after Novak's, and Plame was well known by then. I've come to believe the motives of all these "leaks" are less national security travesties, more comedy and irresponsibility.

The subpoena list is big, puts into bad light the claim this is just about Novak.

I think Gannon was a side show to this scandal.


34 posted on 07/01/2005 2:11:01 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: brazzaville

But I find something interesting, and perhaps I am taking this into that "mad neo-con conspiracy theory" realm, but can't seem to get it out of my head.

Do you find this interesting in any way:

"Former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson raised the Administration's ire with an op-ed piece in The New York Times on July 6 (2003) saying that the Administration had "twisted" intelligence to "exaggerate" the Iraqi threat."

The last 7 words of the sentence are almost IDENTICAL in their implication to:

"The intelligence and facts are being "fixed" to fit the policy." (paraphrasing)as stated in the alleged DSM, a full year later?

In addition, of course you know the Wilson/Plame story currently being drudged about. How coincidental is it that she worked in a WMD context in the CIA, and the DSM "allegedly" is about bogus WMD intelligence being "fixed" around the policy?

And the Niger trip was made due to allegedly "Faked Documents"?

I see a big circle starting with Mr. Joe Wilsons trip to Niger in 2002 by way of forged documents, WMD, Fixed intelligence in 2003, faked DSM document in 2004 and now the impending leaker being outed.

Wonder if Valerie Plame faked (fixed) any intelligence (WMD)?


35 posted on 07/01/2005 2:15:11 PM PDT by deCooper (I'm a newbie - be nice.)
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To: deCooper

There's five Uranium producing countries in Africa. How come Joe-baby cherry picked Niger?


36 posted on 07/01/2005 2:21:00 PM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: Shermy
Leakers?
37 posted on 07/01/2005 2:25:05 PM PDT by Checkers (Gitmo has killed fewer people than Michael Schiavo.)
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To: Checkers
Leaker or leakee?
38 posted on 07/01/2005 2:29:36 PM PDT by Checkers (Gitmo has killed fewer people than Michael Schiavo.)
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To: Checkers
"Sssshh, be werrry, werrry quiet. My wife is a spy." http://www.nathanslunch.com/PhotoPage.htm
39 posted on 07/01/2005 2:33:29 PM PDT by Checkers (Gitmo has killed fewer people than Michael Schiavo.)
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To: Shermy

The leaker, probably Joe Wilson, drunk at a party.


40 posted on 07/01/2005 2:36:00 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Shermy

Was Clarke still in office at that time?


41 posted on 07/01/2005 2:38:07 PM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: rollo tomasi
IF everybody in the Federal Government was like this guy...: ...9-11 would be a daily occurrance.
42 posted on 07/01/2005 2:40:37 PM PDT by Checkers (Gitmo has killed fewer people than Michael Schiavo.)
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To: deCooper
Good afternoon.

I could believe that the whole dust up was the work of Joe and Val from start to finish.

Michael Frazier
43 posted on 07/01/2005 2:59:44 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Common Tator
Who would know that Wilson's wife reccomended him for the job.

Additional questions are WHY did Plame "recommend" her husband for the job and WHO did she make the recommendation to? SOMEBODY approved Plame's recommendation.

I think that Plame and the people she worked directly with sought to undermine the Bush Administration and they concocted a plan to use Wilson as their dupe. So they sent him on a mission to Niger. Wilson has been so righteously indignant about his wife's outing that I wonder if maybe the guy truly is as clueless as he comes off. It's possible that Plame left Wilson completely out of the loop, letting him just stumble along looking like a complete fool.

44 posted on 07/01/2005 3:03:58 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Patriot from Philly

"Was Clarke still in office at that time?"

No. That was a concern for me, but I found that ex-officials will not be noted as "former" if they served under the present administration.


45 posted on 07/01/2005 3:16:03 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: brazzaville; Fedora
I could believe that the whole dust up was the work of Joe and Val from start to finish.

Wilson was engineering a "scandal," no doubt about that. He believed there were WMDs in Iraq, he thought the nuclear case was weak. To the purpose of making Bush look like a liar they hit the weakest link, the nuclear. He was managing leaks in Brit and US papers before his article. I think Novak threw off his schedule to campaign for the position of Kerry Secretary of State.

46 posted on 07/01/2005 3:19:48 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: brazzaville; Fedora
I could believe that the whole dust up was the work of Joe and Val from start to finish.

Wilson was engineering a "scandal," no doubt about that. He believed there were WMDs in Iraq, he thought the nuclear case was weak. To the purpose of making Bush look like a liar they hit the weakest link, the nuclear. He was managing leaks in Brit and US papers before his article. I think Novak threw off his schedule to campaign for the position of Kerry Secretary of State.

47 posted on 07/01/2005 3:19:48 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Moral Hazard
"I did, and I'm sorry for all the trouble it has caused. At least a New York Times reporter gets to go to jail over it though."

Damn, and I was just getting ready to confess.
48 posted on 07/01/2005 3:38:45 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Shermy

Thanks.


49 posted on 07/01/2005 3:43:43 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Shermy

Thanks for the clarification. It would be interesting if it's Clarke, he's quite a media hero.


50 posted on 07/01/2005 3:43:52 PM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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