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The BATFE sent new import regulations out yesterday afternoon
Gunsnet.net & AK-47.net ^ | 7/1/05 | Guns Network Staff

Posted on 07/01/2005 3:19:34 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente

In a short version and not verbatim:

They will no longer approve the import certificates for "non-sporting" rifle barrels and receivers. This will stop new approvals of kits in the way that most have been coming in. The barrels will not be allowed, so this means that in the future the barrels will be made in the USA = big price increases. In some cases of rare MG Kits, the set up and mfg of a US barrel will not be feasible thus stopping most of the demand. AK guns and kits will go up if this has the affect. Companys were warned that they can not replace there kits today for what they are selling them for. Meaning what is already here cannot be brought back over unless someone is willing to make the American made barrel for the kit. Here we go again.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist
The ATF is making law again!

They have ALLOWED the import of "parts kits" (all parts for a gun / rifle with the receiver tourch cut in three pieces) to be imported. Now they have decided they these are non-sporting...

I alway thought anything the could put a hole in a target of kill a critter was a sporting firearm, but then common sence insn't common...

1 posted on 07/01/2005 3:19:35 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente
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To: El Laton Caliente

Someone in the Democratic party, probably someone with a name that rhymes with fine swine, must be twisting the screws.


2 posted on 07/01/2005 3:28:18 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: El Laton Caliente; adam_az; American in Israel; Ancesthntr; aragorn; archy; Badray; buccaneer81; ...

BANG!


3 posted on 07/01/2005 3:40:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: El Laton Caliente


I wonder if AG "AWB" Gonzalez had anything to do with this.

You know, the top ranking USSCJ nominee.

BATFE is part of the administrative branch.

Thanks, Dubya.


4 posted on 07/01/2005 3:43:26 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: adam_az

You can be certain Presidente Bush is intimately involved in this.


5 posted on 07/01/2005 3:49:45 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Travis McGee

More squeezing of the firearms market.


6 posted on 07/01/2005 3:58:10 PM PDT by Mr. Nobody
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To: Mr. Nobody
His Father banned a bunch of so called Assault rifles from being imported and the current Pres, banned all imports from Norinco as a trade measure.

I thought it was interesting that he picked a company which primarily makes guns. Actually they made some interesting .45's but thanks to Jr. we no longer have the option of choosing them.

7 posted on 07/01/2005 4:02:59 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: El Laton Caliente

wonderful...Who elected them?

Waiting for the 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil' crowd to tell us we should be happy we don't have president kerry in charge...otherwise, well, he'd have the ATF outlaw things at random!


8 posted on 07/01/2005 4:04:47 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: yarddog
His Father banned a bunch of so called Assault rifles from being imported and the current Pres, banned all imports from Norinco as a trade measure.

I thought it was interesting that he picked a company which primarily makes guns. Actually they made some interesting .45's but thanks to Jr. we no longer have the option of choosing them.

I thought the Chinese/Norinco ban originated with Clinton.

Also, IIRC, the '91 (or thereabouts) semi-auto import ban was, as in this case, simply the BATF exercising the authority granted it under the '68 GCA. At the time, the domestic firearms manufacturers were *lobbying* for the import restrictions, I remember reading their complaints in the trade publications. Plenty of blame to go around, sadly.

9 posted on 07/01/2005 4:11:15 PM PDT by Cloud William (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: yarddog

"You can be certain Presidente Bush is intimately involved in this."

I loathe the bastard - but I'm starting to wonder in retrospect what damage a President Kerry would have done that President Bush isn't already doing.

RKBA, CAFTA, LOST, money and training to Palestinian terrorists, open borders, funding China's re-armament, and probably a liberal USSCJ nominee to boot.

It's pretty nightmarish when you put it into that kind of perspective.


10 posted on 07/01/2005 4:12:27 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Cloud William
I don't know but I specifically remember Bush banning all Norinco imports.

Maybe Clinton banned some guns and Bush banned the rest.

11 posted on 07/01/2005 4:12:57 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: adam_az
I voted for Bush knowing just about what he was going to do.

We just didn't have a choice.

12 posted on 07/01/2005 4:14:52 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: El Laton Caliente
They are proposing changing defintion of "pistol".

link to BATFE proposed change

Quote ---"SUMMARY: The Department of Justice is proposing to amend the regulations relating to machine guns, destructive devices, and certain other firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to clarify the definition of the term ‘‘pistol’’ and to define more clearly exceptions to the ‘‘pistol’’ definition. The added language is necessary to clarify that certain weapons, including any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm or any gun that fires more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger, are not pistols and are classified as ‘‘any other weapon’’ under the NFA. DATES: Comments must be submitted on or before May 9, 2005."

13 posted on 07/01/2005 4:22:52 PM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: yarddog

"I voted for Bush knowing just about what he was going to do. We just didn't have a choice."

Me too, and I volunteered for his campaign for a year, as well.

Still, I hoped that in his 2nd term he would have shown more gonads.


14 posted on 07/01/2005 4:23:59 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: yarddog
Ever notice how much confusion there is on these threads?

I try to keep up as much as possible on exactly what's legal and what isn't. To my knowledge "section 922?" is still in effect even though the psuedo-assault weapon ban has expired. If you do much of anything with an import you are likely to run afoul of someone's decree eventually.

In my opinion, this confusion is intentional. We are being conditioned to accept our lords' {small L} commands regarding our freedoms. Our founding fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew we "allow" government to regulate our muskets.

15 posted on 07/01/2005 4:39:30 PM PDT by labette (If only common sense would be more common..)
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To: El Laton Caliente
The ATF is making law again!

We need to work on repealing the 1968 GCA and 1934 NFA, and take the F out of ATF.

16 posted on 07/01/2005 4:47:35 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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To: snowsislander

The beer in my fridge, the smokes in my neighbors shirt, and the guns in my cabinet don't need to be regulated, period.


17 posted on 07/01/2005 4:53:07 PM PDT by labette (If only common sense would be more common..)
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To: labette
The beer in my fridge, the smokes in my neighbors shirt, and the guns in my cabinet don't need to be regulated, period.

I agree, they don't. And for the guns in the cabinet, I think the best way to de-regulate them is through repeal of the GCA and the NFA.

For tobacco and alcohol, I would very much like to see the government out of those two businesses. I don't know how we can bring that about, but I am willing to support proposals that take us that way.

18 posted on 07/01/2005 4:57:51 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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To: snowsislander
"I don't know how we can bring that about,"

Keep voting wisely, and pray that will be sufficient.

19 posted on 07/01/2005 5:07:22 PM PDT by labette (If only common sense would be more common..)
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To: adam_az

gonzales is NO friend of gun owners!!!


20 posted on 07/01/2005 5:23:13 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Chode

Damn right!

Your FR name made me giggle, btw!


21 posted on 07/01/2005 6:11:46 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: El Laton Caliente

Folks, the answer is so simple and we see it every day

All we have to do is require each person crossing the border from Mexico bring at least one of these gun parts with them.

The result will be positive any way you look at it.

1. The supply of gun parts will increase, or ...

2. The BATF will stop the flow of persons illegally INVADING our country.


22 posted on 07/01/2005 6:44:21 PM PDT by livefreeCA
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To: Travis McGee

I am sick of these administrative rulings having the force of law. Its a recipe, IMHO, for diaster whenver that type of latitude is given. Either it is legal or it isn't...and the Constitution is very clear to anyone reading it with any common sense and who doesn't have some kind of anti-liberty agenda...that it is legal.


23 posted on 07/01/2005 6:46:36 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Cloud William

Sorry,

GHWB did the NON-SPORTING ban... nice wasn't it!

I wish I had one party I could count on... I'm not sure it is even the NRA...


24 posted on 07/01/2005 6:53:49 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente
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To: Jeff Head

These DO NOT have the rule of law IF the majority do not accept it!!!


25 posted on 07/01/2005 7:01:20 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente
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To: El Laton Caliente
Oh...I didn't say the rule of law...I said the force of law. Two very different things.

If you violate it, they will come with guns and overwhelming force and enforce it. Unless we are ready for a revoultion over this issue...right now...you will not stop it unless we get different people elected who will take the offending laws off the books and tell these appointed officials to back way the heck off, or fire them and then appoint people who will.

Unfortunately, that's the reality.

26 posted on 07/01/2005 7:07:56 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: El Laton Caliente
GHWB did the NON-SPORTING ban... nice wasn't it!

I recall some sporting semi-autos being banned back then, too - specifically H&K's walnut-stocked hunting rifles (which shared little with that company's military-pattern firearms). Or perhaps H&K pulled the plug on those imports from their end, since the majority of their product line was unwelcome - I can't recall how it all went down.

FWIW, there was a rumored change in these import regs (aimed at parts kits, particularly barrels) during Clinton's last six months in office. It was never actually implemented, as far as I can tell. You're right; where this issue is concerned, neither political party can be trusted to respect our rights.

27 posted on 07/01/2005 10:33:08 PM PDT by Cloud William (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Cloud William
...neither political party can be trusted to respect our rights

And no influential Senator or Congressman wants to hoist themselves onto the spit to lead the charge to fix things. Can you imagine the political fallout for a Senator who demanded to repeal GCA68 and NFA?

28 posted on 07/02/2005 5:31:50 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Sender
The problem is there is not a conservative party.

The Democratic party has drifted into the radical left and nearly every member of that party fits the description.

The Republican party is composed of some radical leftists, some liberals, a lot of moderates and a very few conservatives.

There are no hard core conservatives that I am aware of in the Republican party.

29 posted on 07/02/2005 6:28:33 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
Dems go full out Communist and the Repubs are giving us "all the socialism at half the price".

It's time. If not now, when?

30 posted on 07/02/2005 7:10:34 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: labette
"In my opinion, this confusion is intentional. We are being conditioned to accept our lords' commands regarding our freedoms."

The eventual goal is to make it so confusing to legally own a firearm that the normal person will just think it is illegal.


31 posted on 07/02/2005 9:28:07 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: El Laton Caliente

My local dealed just informed me of this tonight.
No more importation of battlefield rifles.

Best get my druganov now!


32 posted on 07/06/2005 5:50:17 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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