Skip to comments.Italy Demands 'Full Respect' From U.S. Over Terror Suspect's Seizure
Posted on 07/01/2005 4:13:31 PM PDT by familyop
ROME, July 1 - Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi demanded to day that the United States show "full respect" for Italian sovereignty, after summoning the American ambassador to explain the reported abduction of a Muslim cleric by officers and operatives of the Central Intelligence Agency . . . There have been growing calls from the opposition, as well as some members of the governing majority, for clarification of the relationship between the United States and Italy.
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Someone who is registered at the NY Slimes, flip them off for me. Thanks.
Get ready to boycott the Italians. Why don't they just STFU!
Besides, we're all on low carb anyways..so to hell with their pasta!
Well Italy, if a terrorist is on your soil and you do nothing about it, just understand that we will. Is that respectful enough for you.
Here is a good definition: "We will make no ditinction between terrorists, and those who harbor them"
The question is: Did we ask Italy to do something about the terrorist before we kidnapped him? We are putting one of the few allies we have (Berlusconi) between a rock and a hard place. Imagine if Mexico sent a bunch of Federales to kidnap a wanted person from the US and take him to Mexico. We would rightfully have a problem with that as we are a sovereign country.
"...clarification of the relationship between the United States and Italy."
An Italian judge is doing that.
We can settle this diplomatically or on the battlefield.
I'm glad the Americans did this. I want the terrorists to know that they are not free from the wrath of the American people, anywhere.
But notice how the media is protraying this as a "kidnapping" of a "cleric" instead of a rendition of a dangerous terrorist.
Plus where's the evidence that the cleric was 'tortured' come from-the whining terrorist himself.
I'm sick of the media.
I don't know, but we don't harbor known terrorists.
I'm sure that we did this after years of delay.
And in all probability, telling the Italians our intentions would have simply meant that they would warn him, hide him, and protect him
As for the first part, that IS a reasonable question. And no, we don't want to put allies in the hot seat. Was Berlusconi on our side regarding the ransomed reporter? I doubt it.
As for Mexico, I think you'll have a hard time convincing me that a federale is comparable to our special forces.
Italy has a right to be pissed. We have a right to think ransoming people for millions just pays for more terrorist bombs.
I guess it's a push.
This is payback for that goofy reporter chick that managed to get an Italian Secret Service agent killed. Nothing more.
Yes, we'll dance, if we get to lead. Smirk!
This is somewhat worrisome. This is the first I've heard that Berlusconi was out of the loop on our actions, whatever they were. As long as it was just some leftie judge complaining, I was not concerned. But Silvio has been pretty solid since 9/11. I don't take his possible alienation lightly. Of course, I'll need to hear about it from somewhere other than the Slimes before I really pay attention.
The Italian government can say what it wants, but I don't believe the CIA did this without their knowledge.
Maybe for the Romans.
For a nation full of over-cooked pasta bellies?
Italy should be happy that we still talk with them.
9/11/01 the world changed for the US and her citizens, the rest of the world will have to adapt also.
I'll drink to that. I'm sick of them too.
Heh heh heh...
Have I missed something? The Italian Gov. really doesn't know if the CIA had anything to do with this missing person.
They don't know the names of the people they are looking for, or anything else. All they know is what some one told them and they believe them.
To Italy: shut up and sit down. Or maybe that's sit down and shut up.
I know it was you, Fredo, er Silvio. You broke my heart.
No, Tom, uhh Silvio, I don't want to kill everybody... just my enemies.
There are many things my father taught me here in this room. He taught me: keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.
Don't you know that I would use all of my power to prevent something like that from happening?
I didn't know it was gonna be a hit Mike, I mean Silvio! I swear I didn't know it was gonna be a hit!
Why do you feel the need to wipe out everyone, Michael--I mean George? Tom, er Silvio, i dont feel the need to wipe out everyone. Just my enemies.
This is one where I go against the FR tide. Italy has been there for us, Italy recently stayed away from polls to ensure that a liberalization of Abortion law didn't happen... Italy is one of the good guys - today. We oughta show some respect.
Ambassador, in heavy Godfather accent:
"We don' know nuttin aboudit. Fuggedaboudit. The CIA is just a cultural society, yeah, dat's whut it iz. 'Culture In America', yeah..."
Reply: Dear Bertlusconi, FU.
If the CIA doesn't get caught once in a while, they're not doing their job. Porter Goss is expanding the "field Work" and getting away from the Clinton CIA, which stared at computer screens full of credit reports and satellite photos all day.
Great observation. Hmmm.
There you go. My thought was that if we tipped Italy off, the guy would be a vapor trail.
That's what happened after the Achille Lauro hijacking, when we chased Abu Nidal and his gang to Italy. Navy jets had forced down their getaway jet bound from Italy to Tunisia, and SEALs had them cornered on the runway. The Italians arrived, demanded to take custody, and let Nidal go with a bogus Egyptian diplomatic passport. The others served a few years of very loose "house arrest" in Italy before wandering away.
34: Go to the head of the class.
Whoops, the getaway jet was bound from EGYPT to Tunisia, when it was forced down in Italy by F-14s.
If 50 Italian secret agents show up in the US, and "grab" these "13" CIA guys...we would be more than upset...but then thats precisely what the Bush Adminstration did...they walked into Italy, found the Mullah dude and took out of Italy. If anyone in this adminstration was looking to do some really stupid dumb stuff...then they just accomplished it. All Italy has to do is bring up kidnapping charges, and because of various treaties the US has signed...it will have to honor the Italian court request or face alot of issues internationally. The CIA is in almost every country...and they could easily find themselves cut off and asked to leave or face arrest. We don't have undercover folks like we did in the 1960s. Almost everything we do, is in plain sight. I don't see anything good coming out of this episode.
Don't be fool and idiot!
Italy has its rights as well USA.
You're right on this one....overreaction on my part...waiting to see what happens on this one.
Me too, I'm sorry my friend. (conservative) Italians and (conservative) Americans are allied... forever!
Full Respect... Word..
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