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Italy Demands 'Full Respect' From U.S. Over Terror Suspect's Seizure
International Herald Tribune by way of NY Times ^ | 02JUL05 | ELISABETTA POVOLEDO

Posted on 07/01/2005 4:13:31 PM PDT by familyop

ROME, July 1 - Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi demanded to day that the United States show "full respect" for Italian sovereignty, after summoning the American ambassador to explain the reported abduction of a Muslim cleric by officers and operatives of the Central Intelligence Agency . . . There have been growing calls from the opposition, as well as some members of the governing majority, for clarification of the relationship between the United States and Italy.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; berlusconi; cia; gwot; italy; minister; parliament; prime; silvio

1 posted on 07/01/2005 4:13:31 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

Someone who is registered at the NY Slimes, flip them off for me. Thanks.


2 posted on 07/01/2005 4:15:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: familyop

Get ready to boycott the Italians. Why don't they just STFU!

Besides, we're all on low carb anyways..so to hell with their pasta!


3 posted on 07/01/2005 4:15:18 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: familyop

Well Italy, if a terrorist is on your soil and you do nothing about it, just understand that we will. Is that respectful enough for you.


4 posted on 07/01/2005 4:16:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: familyop

Here is a good definition: "We will make no ditinction between terrorists, and those who harbor them"


5 posted on 07/01/2005 4:17:38 PM PDT by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: DoughtyOne

The question is: Did we ask Italy to do something about the terrorist before we kidnapped him? We are putting one of the few allies we have (Berlusconi) between a rock and a hard place. Imagine if Mexico sent a bunch of Federales to kidnap a wanted person from the US and take him to Mexico. We would rightfully have a problem with that as we are a sovereign country.


6 posted on 07/01/2005 4:18:13 PM PDT by winner3000 (part)
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To: DoughtyOne

"...clarification of the relationship between the United States and Italy."

LOL!


7 posted on 07/01/2005 4:18:24 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: DoughtyOne

user: timeslies163
pass: daily


8 posted on 07/01/2005 4:18:28 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: familyop
If you had arrested this known terrorist POS, and extradited him, then you wouldn't have to hear my response:

Yawn.

9 posted on 07/01/2005 4:18:54 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: MediaMole

LOL!


10 posted on 07/01/2005 4:19:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: winner3000
We are putting one of the few allies we have (Berlusconi) between a rock and a hard place.

No

An Italian judge is doing that.

We can settle this diplomatically or on the battlefield.

11 posted on 07/01/2005 4:20:52 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: DoughtyOne

I'm glad the Americans did this. I want the terrorists to know that they are not free from the wrath of the American people, anywhere.

But notice how the media is protraying this as a "kidnapping" of a "cleric" instead of a rendition of a dangerous terrorist.

Plus where's the evidence that the cleric was 'tortured' come from-the whining terrorist himself.

I'm sick of the media.


12 posted on 07/01/2005 4:21:04 PM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: winner3000

I don't know, but we don't harbor known terrorists.

They do.

I'm sure that we did this after years of delay.
And in all probability, telling the Italians our intentions would have simply meant that they would warn him, hide him, and protect him


13 posted on 07/01/2005 4:22:47 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: winner3000

As for the first part, that IS a reasonable question. And no, we don't want to put allies in the hot seat. Was Berlusconi on our side regarding the ransomed reporter? I doubt it.

As for Mexico, I think you'll have a hard time convincing me that a federale is comparable to our special forces.

Italy has a right to be pissed. We have a right to think ransoming people for millions just pays for more terrorist bombs.

I guess it's a push.


14 posted on 07/01/2005 4:22:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: winner3000

This is payback for that goofy reporter chick that managed to get an Italian Secret Service agent killed. Nothing more.


15 posted on 07/01/2005 4:22:50 PM PDT by Thebaddog (Dawgs off the coffee table.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Yes, we'll dance, if we get to lead. Smirk!


16 posted on 07/01/2005 4:23:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: familyop

This is somewhat worrisome. This is the first I've heard that Berlusconi was out of the loop on our actions, whatever they were. As long as it was just some leftie judge complaining, I was not concerned. But Silvio has been pretty solid since 9/11. I don't take his possible alienation lightly. Of course, I'll need to hear about it from somewhere other than the Slimes before I really pay attention.


17 posted on 07/01/2005 4:24:33 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: familyop

The Italian government can say what it wants, but I don't believe the CIA did this without their knowledge.


18 posted on 07/01/2005 4:24:35 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"Someone who is registered at the NY Slimes, flip them off for me. Thanks."

...wrong, and the piece came from a publication of Italy's blood sister. You-a flippa-me-off-a? I donutta care. Here's anudda one.

Berlusconi protests over CIA ‘kidnap'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1434969/posts
19 posted on 07/01/2005 4:25:29 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop
Ahem.

"Full Respect"?

Maybe for the Romans.

For a nation full of over-cooked pasta bellies?

Italy should be happy that we still talk with them.

20 posted on 07/01/2005 4:26:05 PM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: familyop

9/11/01 the world changed for the US and her citizens, the rest of the world will have to adapt also.


21 posted on 07/01/2005 4:28:59 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Patriot from Philly

I'll drink to that. I'm sick of them too.


22 posted on 07/01/2005 4:29:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: familyop

Heh heh heh...


23 posted on 07/01/2005 4:29:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: familyop

Have I missed something? The Italian Gov. really doesn't know if the CIA had anything to do with this missing person.
They don't know the names of the people they are looking for, or anything else. All they know is what some one told them and they believe them.


24 posted on 07/01/2005 4:40:21 PM PDT by AIC
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To: familyop

To Italy: shut up and sit down. Or maybe that's sit down and shut up.


25 posted on 07/01/2005 4:46:39 PM PDT by hershey
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To: familyop
Silvio should have seen this coming.

I know it was you, Fredo, er Silvio. You broke my heart.

No, Tom, uhh Silvio, I don't want to kill everybody... just my enemies.

There are many things my father taught me here in this room. He taught me: keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

Don't you know that I would use all of my power to prevent something like that from happening?

I didn't know it was gonna be a hit Mike, I mean Silvio! I swear I didn't know it was gonna be a hit!

Why do you feel the need to wipe out everyone, Michael--I mean George? Tom, er Silvio, i dont feel the need to wipe out everyone. Just my enemies.

26 posted on 07/01/2005 5:03:27 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: familyop

This is one where I go against the FR tide. Italy has been there for us, Italy recently stayed away from polls to ensure that a liberalization of Abortion law didn't happen... Italy is one of the good guys - today. We oughta show some respect.


29 posted on 07/01/2005 5:26:24 PM PDT by AshfieldK
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To: DoughtyOne

Ambassador, in heavy Godfather accent:

"We don' know nuttin aboudit. Fuggedaboudit. The CIA is just a cultural society, yeah, dat's whut it iz. 'Culture In America', yeah..."


30 posted on 07/01/2005 5:28:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: AshfieldK
They were good on the GWOT but somethings changed recently. Paying ransom to terrorists is one thing. Mass hysteria over a man killed by the Americans; ignoring the Italian killed by the terrorists.

How do you think we should show respect, should we turn over our covert people?
31 posted on 07/01/2005 5:50:58 PM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: Patriot from Philly
Handled diplomatically, it can all go away. Send Condi to apologize, make amends. We may be able to do it all on our own, but it'd be better not to. Especially when dealing with a European govt that stood with us, in spite of the fact that its citizens are Europeans.
32 posted on 07/01/2005 5:55:46 PM PDT by AshfieldK
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To: familyop

Reply: Dear Bertlusconi, FU.

Signed,
America


33 posted on 07/01/2005 6:05:29 PM PDT by Shaka
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To: familyop

If the CIA doesn't get caught once in a while, they're not doing their job. Porter Goss is expanding the "field Work" and getting away from the Clinton CIA, which stared at computer screens full of credit reports and satellite photos all day.


34 posted on 07/01/2005 6:10:32 PM PDT by Toskrin (Socialism is communism a little bit at a time)
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To: Toskrin

Great observation. Hmmm.


35 posted on 07/01/2005 6:29:12 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: Travis McGee

There you go. My thought was that if we tipped Italy off, the guy would be a vapor trail.


37 posted on 07/01/2005 9:05:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne

That's what happened after the Achille Lauro hijacking, when we chased Abu Nidal and his gang to Italy. Navy jets had forced down their getaway jet bound from Italy to Tunisia, and SEALs had them cornered on the runway. The Italians arrived, demanded to take custody, and let Nidal go with a bogus Egyptian diplomatic passport. The others served a few years of very loose "house arrest" in Italy before wandering away.


38 posted on 07/01/2005 9:46:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Toskrin

34: Go to the head of the class.


39 posted on 07/01/2005 9:47:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

Whoops, the getaway jet was bound from EGYPT to Tunisia, when it was forced down in Italy by F-14s.


40 posted on 07/01/2005 9:48:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: LibKill

If 50 Italian secret agents show up in the US, and "grab" these "13" CIA guys...we would be more than upset...but then thats precisely what the Bush Adminstration did...they walked into Italy, found the Mullah dude and took out of Italy. If anyone in this adminstration was looking to do some really stupid dumb stuff...then they just accomplished it. All Italy has to do is bring up kidnapping charges, and because of various treaties the US has signed...it will have to honor the Italian court request or face alot of issues internationally. The CIA is in almost every country...and they could easily find themselves cut off and asked to leave or face arrest. We don't have undercover folks like we did in the 1960s. Almost everything we do, is in plain sight. I don't see anything good coming out of this episode.


41 posted on 07/01/2005 9:54:07 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Don't be fool and idiot!


42 posted on 07/01/2005 11:35:54 PM PDT by alessandrofiaschi
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To: Last Dakotan

Italy has its rights as well USA.


43 posted on 07/01/2005 11:38:11 PM PDT by alessandrofiaschi
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To: alessandrofiaschi

You're right on this one....overreaction on my part...waiting to see what happens on this one.


44 posted on 07/02/2005 6:05:07 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Me too, I'm sorry my friend. (conservative) Italians and (conservative) Americans are allied... forever!


45 posted on 07/02/2005 6:08:33 AM PDT by alessandrofiaschi
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To: familyop

Full Respect... Word..

46 posted on 07/02/2005 6:24:11 AM PDT by csvset
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