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Moms tell recruiters: ‘Leave My Child Alone!’
People's Weekly World ^ | 06-30-05 | Tim Wheeler

Posted on 07/02/2005 6:08:14 AM PDT by Alia

WASHINGTON — Megan Watson, leader of Mainstream Moms, is so angry at military recruiters for invading schools to sign up unwary youth for combat in Iraq that she and her group launched an online movement, “LeaveMyChildAlone.org.”

“They offer these trinkets to lure our children to enlist,” Watson said in a phone interview from her home in Bolinas, Calif. “This is very aggressive, demographic targeting to have conversations with our kids that should not be happening.”

All branches of the military are falling short of recruiting goals as parents say, in effect, “Hell no! My kids won’t go!” Watson blasted the aggressive recruiting drive as a backdoor draft conducted by the Pentagon because the American people reject a return to military conscription. “I’ve heard it called an economic draft,” she said. “They know where to find kids who don’t think they have a lot of options. They are playing on our children’s lack of hope about college and their future.”
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Watson shares these views. “I do utterly oppose our occupation of Iraq,” she said. “We are spending $4 billion every month on this war. People are seeing the cost not only in dead and wounded but also in their own communities. Libraries forced to close. No National Guard to fight forest fires. They can’t find $8.5 billion of the funds we sent to Iraq. And they want to squeeze it out of Medicaid funding for senior citizens. It’s just outrageous
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Joining the effort are a dozen peace and justice groups including the Ella Baker Center, ACORN, Code Pink, Peace Action, American Friends Service Committee, Latinos for Peace and Veterans for Peace.

(Excerpt) Read more at pww.org ...


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1 posted on 07/02/2005 6:08:15 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

The agonized frenzy of the liberal me me me generation as reality hits them in their quivering lying mouths.


2 posted on 07/02/2005 6:09:39 AM PDT by Modok
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To: Alia

Wasn't "The BigGirl" quoted as coming out against military recruiting on public schools?


3 posted on 07/02/2005 6:10:00 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Alia; NormsRevenge; CheneyChick; Dashing Dasher; Theresawithanh

"Mainstream Moms".

In Bolinas.

Suuuuuuure.


4 posted on 07/02/2005 6:11:08 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Norwegian Would)
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To: Alia
...the direct descendant of the Daily Worker...

Nuff said!

5 posted on 07/02/2005 6:11:42 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Modok

I find the policies covered in No Child Left Behind Act that address the issue of turning over children's names to the government for recruiting more than a little disconcerting as well. Does that make me a liberal?


6 posted on 07/02/2005 6:13:12 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Alia

As long as we treat 17-21 year olds as if they were still children, our problems will continue to multiply.


7 posted on 07/02/2005 6:13:20 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: Alia
Joining the effort are a dozen peace and justice groups including the Ella Baker Center, ACORN, Code Pink, Peace Action, American Friends Service Committee, Latinos for Peace and Veterans for Peace.

The usual run of anti-American snivelers.

Maybe her son will decide to escape a life of unwashed, whiny leftism by joining the Army! At least he'd meet some straight women with skills!

8 posted on 07/02/2005 6:13:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: billbears

Yep


9 posted on 07/02/2005 6:13:51 AM PDT by Modok
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To: Alia
I think it's fine, even advantageous and commendable, for the military to speak to high school "yoots".

But recruiting, absolutely not.

10 posted on 07/02/2005 6:15:01 AM PDT by evad (No action to secure borders, No action on judges... NO MONEY!)
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To: billbears
Does that make me a liberal?

Well, if it does, that's 2 of us.

11 posted on 07/02/2005 6:15:47 AM PDT by evad (No action to secure borders, No action on judges... NO MONEY!)
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To: Jim Noble

Boy, you said it, Jim! Nothing infuriates me more than when someone refers to our soldiers in Iraq as "boys & girls." Makes me sick, actually.

As Joan Rivers would say, Grow Up, America!


12 posted on 07/02/2005 6:17:08 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Modok
LOL, so to be considered 'conservative' one must

A) support an additional $28 billion+ in wasted tax dollars for an unconstitutional program and

B) have no problem with federal funds being withheld from a school if they refuse to turn over a list of names of students to the government for recruiting.

Subpart 2-NCLB

Who said Republicans were conservative and for limited government? Apparently not anymore

13 posted on 07/02/2005 6:17:13 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Alia
Watson’s children are too young to be recruited right now. “But Defense Secretary Rumsfeld says we will be in Iraq for another 12 years,” she said. “That would put my children right in the middle of harm’s way. I want to stop this war now, not when my children are in middle school. Instead of spending $3 billion for recruiting, why not use that money to provide financial assistance to students so they can go to college?”

Me thinks thou doest protest too much

14 posted on 07/02/2005 6:17:21 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: Alia
No National Guard to fight forest fires

That's it! Surrender now! Bring the boys home.

15 posted on 07/02/2005 6:17:39 AM PDT by neodad (I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way)
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To: evad

" ... fine for the military to speak ... but recruiting, absolutely not."

Can you explain the distinction you're making between "speaking" and "recruiting"?


16 posted on 07/02/2005 6:17:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: billbears

Sounds like you got a basic problem with military recruiters recruiting high school students. What is that problem?


17 posted on 07/02/2005 6:19:45 AM PDT by Modok
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To: Alia

I just read an article about the terrorists and guards at Gitmo. The terrorists openly rebel against our MPs with physical violence, (punching, throwing metal chairs, tossing urine at them, spitting on them, banging on cell bars, etc). When the guards retaliate they get demoted, fined and punished in various ways. When you look at this ridiculous punishment of our troops by our own military, coupled with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan who got courtmarshalled for shooting wounded terrorists or "abusing" maniacal insurgents at Abu Graihab, it's no wonder why it's getting hard to recruit new men.


18 posted on 07/02/2005 6:21:19 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: billbears

The entire NCLB boondoggle is unconstitutional and outrageous. (The only reason I don't totally spit on it is that the NEA hates it :-).

But putting that aside, briefly, do you think military recruiters shouldn't be allowed to go to high schools to promote joining the service as an option for graduates?


19 posted on 07/02/2005 6:21:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: billbears
I find the policies covered in No Child Left Behind Act that address the issue of turning over children's names to the government for recruiting more than a little disconcerting as well.

He who pays the piper calls the tune. Its all based on federal money--don't accept the money & don't provide the lists. Private schools can do that now.

20 posted on 07/02/2005 6:25:22 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Alia

If these kids are not weaned by the time they are in High School there must be something going on.


21 posted on 07/02/2005 6:25:39 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Alia

If this 17 or 18 year old male let's his Momma run his life, what branch would want him?


22 posted on 07/02/2005 6:25:40 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Alia
The 'Leave My Child Alone' Movement

The almost 100 people who turned out in the San Diego region, a heavily militarized area home to a Marine base and Navy Seals, were part of a nation-wide call to meet on the first day of June, put out by MMOB, The Main Street Moms Operation Blue. MMOB, a relatively new grassroots group, is taking a page out of the Howard Dean playbook and rallying people though a well-orchestrated internet campaign.

According to Charlie Imes, chair of the local chapter of Democracy for America (DFA), the MMOB contacted him and asked him to put the Military Recruiter discussion at the top of the night's agenda. "They asked and I said great," said Imes, who was enthusiastic about the night's turnout.

Twenty miles north in Carlsbad, dozens of people turned out to hear speakers and to fill out opt out forms, according to Jeeni Criscenzo, a member of the North County Peace and Justice Coalition who coordinated the event with MMOD.
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The opt out form is provided for in section 9528, A, 1. of the No Child Left Behind Act, in part, because school receiving federal funding are required to provide the following:

"1) ACCESS TO STUDENT RECRUITING INFORMATION- Notwithstanding section 444(a)(5)(B) of the General Education Provisions Act and except as provided in paragraph (2), each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide, on a request made by military recruiters or an institution of higher education, access to secondary school students names, addresses, and telephone listings..." in addition to granting recruiters physical access to the campus or lose much needed federal funds. (http://www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/pg112.html)

The opt out form makes the child's information unavailable to military recruiters and puts the child on a do not call list. Federal law requires school districts to inform parents about the opt out form. While some school districts list the form on either the school district website or the high school website, the San Diego school district does not.

A brief glance at MMOB's website showed at least 20 such meetings planned for June 1, from Bakersfield to Boston. More are listed throughout the month of June.

23 posted on 07/02/2005 6:27:00 AM PDT by Alia
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To: PzLdr
I want to stop this war now, not when my children are in middle school.

It sounds like the children are currently infants, if they're going to be in middle school in 12 years.

24 posted on 07/02/2005 6:27:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: Modok
I have no problem with military recruiters recruiting high school students. But perhaps you may want to actually read the section
(1) ACCESS TO STUDENT RECRUITING INFORMATION- Notwithstanding section 444(a)(5)(B) of the General Education Provisions Act and except as provided in paragraph (2), each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide, on a request made by military recruiters or an institution of higher education, access to secondary school students names, addresses, and telephone listings.

(2) CONSENT- A secondary school student or the parent of the student may request that the student's name, address, and telephone listing described in paragraph (1) not be released without prior written parental consent, and the local educational agency or private school shall notify parents of the option to make a request and shall comply with any request.

(3) SAME ACCESS TO STUDENTS- Each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide military recruiters the same access to secondary school students as is provided generally to post secondary educational institutions or to prospective employers of those students.

So by this measure if my child were to attend a public school and I did not know about the option to opt out (many parents apparently do not as these stories are popping up more frequently), by default their names are to be given to the government for recruiting purposes. The fact that those that supposedly advocate smaller limited government have no problem with this is disconcerting. Now I realize Republicans could care less for conservative principles anymore (as evidenced by this Act in general), but in effect what you are advocating is children as young as 14 or 15 would be receiving unsolicited mail from recruiters simply by attending school.

Why not take it a step further and require if they attend public school they should have to serve two years right out of high school. That's conservative....

25 posted on 07/02/2005 6:27:37 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: All
"All branches of the military are falling short of recruiting goals"

This is utter Baloney (I edited this to keep it clean).

The US Air Force Mett its recruiting goal this year. The press only looks at the Army and the Marines and assume the rest of the services are begging.

The disinformation in that article is suprising
26 posted on 07/02/2005 6:29:29 AM PDT by Kitanis
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To: billbears
The military isn't that hard-up, IMHO. People who receive the largesse of this government shouldn't be surprised when something is asked of them in return. Particular any who are receiving largess via federal government (housing, medicaid, food, disability, etc.)

That being said, billbears.. my own wonder about this part of the No Child Left Behind? WOULD such data culled reveal... illegal immigrants? CA Dems and liberals have an absolutely vested interested in growing the numbers of illegals living in the USA, particular in CA.

27 posted on 07/02/2005 6:30:28 AM PDT by Alia
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To: billbears
The horrors of giving military recruiters the same access to secondary school students as is provided generally to post secondary educational institutions or to prospective employers of those students
28 posted on 07/02/2005 6:30:36 AM PDT by Modok
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To: Tax-chick
See my response on #25. I have no problem with military recruiters speaking at schools very briefly. But according to the Act this requires the school to turn over information such as address, phone #, etc so the recruiter would be able to approach the child off school property unsolicited.
29 posted on 07/02/2005 6:30:55 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears

It's silly to think that the government does not already have your kids names. If you file taxes and claim kids as dependents - they have your kids name. No? This is just the liberals trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.


As a parent of teenage sons, I can tell you that the military recruitment literature was only a tiny percentage of the enourmous amount of mail my kids get (the college recruiters are WAYYYY more aggressive than the military).

Don't forget, our sons still have to register for selective service when they turn 18 - so what is all this fuss about?


30 posted on 07/02/2005 6:31:20 AM PDT by Ludicrous
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To: Alia

OK then, it's time to do what Israel does and make military service mandatory for 2 years.


31 posted on 07/02/2005 6:31:22 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: TheCrusader
I just read an article about the terrorists and guards at Gitmo. The terrorists openly rebel against our MPs with physical violence, (punching, throwing metal chairs, tossing urine at them, spitting on them, banging on cell bars, etc). When the guards retaliate they get demoted, fined and punished in various ways

All I need do is swap out a few nouns in yours above; and it would perfectly describe what happens when police go into innercity "situtations" in CA.

32 posted on 07/02/2005 6:32:44 AM PDT by Alia
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To: mark502inf
He who pays the piper calls the tune. Its all based on federal money--don't accept the money & don't provide the lists. Private schools can do that now.

MAJOR BINGO. That's exactly right. Try explaining this to people who want the freebies; but not the responsibilities that go with it.

33 posted on 07/02/2005 6:34:17 AM PDT by Alia
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To: martin_fierro

Ms.Watson need have no fear of her son enlisting. With a mommy like her he has probably been brainwashed to hate his country, and will no doubt live at home in her basement until he's fifty!


34 posted on 07/02/2005 6:35:15 AM PDT by Maumee
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The horrors of giving military recruiters the same access to secondary school students as is provided generally to post secondary educational institutions or to prospective employers of those students

Yes, the horrors. What is the major difference between the military having this information versus secondary educational institutions or prospective employers having this information?

The difference is if secondary educational institutions or employrers have it, more than likely it means the student approached them and gave them approval to receive such information, not the other way around.

35 posted on 07/02/2005 6:35:17 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Ludicrous

And it's not like some bureacries in PUBLIC institutes don't sell or provide the "youth" data. My own children began receiving credit card applications as young as age 9.


36 posted on 07/02/2005 6:36:17 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Tax-chick
Can you explain the distinction you're making between "speaking" and "recruiting"?

Sure.

An Example: Speaking would be presenting a civics or history lesson regarding subject matter on which the individual is qualified to speak.

Recruiting would be setting up a booth where anyone can "drop by" and learn all the advantages, options and salaries gain by enlisting in the military.

37 posted on 07/02/2005 6:36:49 AM PDT by evad (No action to secure borders, No action on judges... NO MONEY!)
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To: mark502inf

Of course it is. Try finding the basis for federal spending on education in the first place and explaining to 'conservatives' the national government is not supposed to be in the business of education


38 posted on 07/02/2005 6:37:10 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears

I have recruited for an employer at secondary schools and was provided lists of the students by the school.

Why are you worried about the union military?


39 posted on 07/02/2005 6:38:44 AM PDT by Modok
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To: PzLdr

I agree with you, but to read some of the Aruba threads, you'd think that a 17/18 year old is a helpless baby who requires constant supervision.

Sorry to bring that into this thread, but I've seen an unbelievable amount of comments from over-protective parents. There is a time to start letting go and let your kids make some decisions on their on.


40 posted on 07/02/2005 6:38:53 AM PDT by MMcC
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To: Alia

Recruiters to mom....He is not your child any more.


41 posted on 07/02/2005 6:42:27 AM PDT by bert ( "Market forces, not political majorities, will compel societies to reconfigure themselves in ways t)
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To: Maumee
Ms.Watson need have no fear of her son enlisting. With a mommy like her he has probably been brainwashed to hate his country, and will no doubt live at home in her basement until he's fifty!

As a father of 4 boys, he's probably going to wind up a SEAL, just to piss off his mom.

42 posted on 07/02/2005 6:42:29 AM PDT by neodad (I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way)
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To: Alia

Love these threads...same ol', same ol' will be re-hashed, and I'll read for the enjoyment...


43 posted on 07/02/2005 6:44:11 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Maumee

Where is the husband (father) in this equation? Want to guess?


44 posted on 07/02/2005 6:44:33 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: billbears
Who said Republicans were conservative and for limited government?

I think it can clearly be shown that Republicans only favor a small, limited government when they are the minority party.

That being said, I have no problems with military recruiters having equal access to information as college recruiters. Despite what these moms say we still have an all-volunteer force. Most in the military wish to keep it this way (including this poster). Nobody forces anyone to sign up.

45 posted on 07/02/2005 6:46:52 AM PDT by Drew68 (IYAOYAS! Semper Gumby!)
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To: martin_fierro

Bolinas? Ya gotta be kidding me! Small hamlet north of San Fran filled with aging hippy's smoking dope! They're so far left they make the rest of California look conservative....


46 posted on 07/02/2005 6:47:47 AM PDT by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundum)
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To: billbears
I find the policies covered in No Child Left Behind Act that address the issue of turning over children's names to the government for recruiting more than a little disconcerting as well. Does that make me a liberal?

Not at all. The NCLBA itself is about as liberal/socialist/communist as a program can get. (Thank you George "One World" Bush.)

If you decide the solution is to lie about the war in Iraq and undercut the WoT with anti-American rhetoric and convince your children that the threat of terrorism is just a scam made up by Pres. Bush and war mongering Republicans then you'd be a liberal.

The intelligent solution is to keep your kids out of gooberment skools. Preferably home-schooling them.

47 posted on 07/02/2005 6:48:11 AM PDT by TigersEye ("It's a Republic if you can keep it!" - B. Franklin)
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To: Alia

yet another crack pot left wing organization given instant legitimacy by the MSM loonies.


48 posted on 07/02/2005 6:49:10 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: billbears

This has been going on for years under FERPA...

If a school is going to provide directory infomation to one organization it has to do so for all.

Is there any reason that a college, university, tech school, etc should have access to the information and have contact with the students and ROTC, the service academies, national guard, reserves, and active military doesn't?


49 posted on 07/02/2005 6:49:40 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Some day we may have to choose whether we'll be a criminal or a collaborator.)
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To: Alia
They are playing on our children’s lack of hope about college and their future.........???????????

They will have no future unless all Americans pull together and fight for a future - these mothers are wrong, they are teaching their children to let someone else "do it". Freedom doesn't work that way........................

50 posted on 07/02/2005 6:50:32 AM PDT by yoe
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