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Moms tell recruiters: ‘Leave My Child Alone!’
People's Weekly World ^ | 06-30-05 | Tim Wheeler

Posted on 07/02/2005 6:08:14 AM PDT by Alia

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To: RedBeaconNY

RedBeacon, I'm mighty proud of your post, well said, and no one your age could say it better. In the first place, your calibre is NOT a dying breed, our Armed Forces are FULL of your calibre of person, that includes both enlisted and OFFICERS.

Reading carefully what you've written, there is no doubt in my mind that your choices in life will be made with discernment and uncompromised logic. Best to you, you make us proud--and thankful.


151 posted on 07/03/2005 6:28:41 AM PDT by brushcop (u)
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To: OneWorldTory

I think you replied to the wrong person. None of what you said makes any sense to me or has anything to do with what I think and I don't care a whit what you or your sons do.


152 posted on 07/03/2005 9:52:35 AM PDT by TigersEye ("It's a Republic if you can keep it!" - B. Franklin)
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To: evad
First, I believe one has to be 18 to enlist in the military

No. Not true. I think it is 16, they may enlist WITH PARENTAL CONSENT. My eldest, with two years of college already, went in soon after 17th birthday, after a 6 month "negot" process after enlisting. And was in the second immediate quick tranch into Afghanistan. Oh yeah. it was a tough decision. Psychologically and emotionally, my eldest was ready. The problem was me. lol. I wanted to make sure my eldest understood the terms of contract with military, fully. Why? I just don't like whinings and complaints: Education up front for better decision making. My eldest did some great works in Afghanistan. :)

153 posted on 07/03/2005 12:20:40 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

Of course when Clinton was bombing Yugoslavia, this woman wouldn't have had a problem with it.


154 posted on 07/03/2005 12:25:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Of course not. So awful to say; but Clinton Admin and Cabinet knew so little about running the military; the alarm during Clinton Admin? Seemed they were more involved with getting military killed, than actually accomplishing any good. Therefore, yes, I suspect you are right that:

when Clinton was bombing Yugoslavia, this woman wouldn't have had a problem with it.

155 posted on 07/03/2005 12:37:54 PM PDT by Alia
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To: All

It just seems to me that US is exhausting itself fighting senseless little wars while China is preparing with tremendous determination and focus for the inevitable.....the sooner US gets out of this mess and confronts the real enemy the better...let the Iraqis shoot themselves.


156 posted on 07/03/2005 12:43:52 PM PDT by strider123 (Ha! I hate Pakis..)
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To: billbears
Indeed, I can see the absolute insanity of giving US military recruiters the exact same access to students that "institutions of higher education" already have.

Better to resist on "conservative" principles and leave these students to only these so-called institutions of higher, (VERY debatable imo), learning, (indoctrination into the PCverse).

MUCH Much better.

NOT.
157 posted on 07/03/2005 12:49:40 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (In the real world you have to play the hand you are dealt.)
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To: Alia

I have had horrable experiences with Army recruters for my 19 yo son. They are offering him so much. He is next to a pro soccer player. Works out with pro teams but can't play because his scholarship offers would go away. Actually had to throw a recruter off my property. Free college, special forces, special assignments are just a few of the bribes.


158 posted on 07/03/2005 12:55:02 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Alia

Had this crackpot and her pals been born 50 years earlier, they would have spent her golden years speaking German.


159 posted on 07/03/2005 12:57:44 PM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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To: OneWorldTory

You have no idea how many people you just insulted. Your post reeks of elitist Clintonian crap. I hope that your son does whatever he wants, in spite of you. And IF you were a good parent - you would support him and his decision 100%.


160 posted on 07/03/2005 1:02:41 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: Alia
My eldest, with two years of college already, went in soon after 17th birthday..

Sounds like this prodigy should have been working on a cure for cancer.

How did he get 2 years of college before age 17?

161 posted on 07/03/2005 1:04:20 PM PDT by evad (No action to secure borders, No action on judges... NO MONEY!)
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To: Tax-chick
"Maybe her son will decide to escape a life of unwashed, whiny leftism by joining the Army! At least he'd meet some straight women with skills!

Unless he joins the Marines, in which case he'd meet women with superb skills, but uh...probably a bit too domineering for him. They'd break poor little bobby's back.

Go Marines

162 posted on 07/03/2005 1:07:58 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: OneWorldTory
Its the sensible decision for their future, and I'd make it for the same reasons I wouldn't allow him to join art school on my dollar. A waste of his future.

I guess that goes double for English majors, History Majors, Political Sci, etc etc who went to Law School, MBA, or Business and are now pulling six figures.

Sharp as an orange you are.

163 posted on 07/03/2005 1:11:20 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Windsong

LOL! I'm sure women Marines are a handful :-).


164 posted on 07/03/2005 1:14:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: TheOtherOne

Sounds like the broad needs a hobby.


165 posted on 07/03/2005 1:15:32 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Bring it, boyeeeees, 'cause after we're done, Skynyrd will still suck.)
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To: Alia

I bet she brazenly breastfed her son in public too. ;)


166 posted on 07/03/2005 1:16:18 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Bring it, boyeeeees, 'cause after we're done, Skynyrd will still suck.)
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To: AGreatPer
Suggestion: Did you or your son try to speak to the commanding officer of that particular recruiting office? That's what you should be doing. Nearly all the recruiters I've met, lifelong, have been wonderful and professional.

Bribes? How are these bribes? These aren't bribes. Are they marketing teases? Yes. Any different from any schools, colleges, corporations?

It sounds to me as tho your son is having a hard time making a decision: soccer, or college scholarship money. I'll bet that the recruiters are picking up on that wafflezone, and going for it.

My own two cents? Please help your son to make a firm decision -- one that he is perfectly comfortable with. From what little you've shared in post, sounds to me like your son's passion is soccer; but not necessarily college via the "conditions" of scholarship. Am I wrong?

Faulting recruiters as making his "life more difficult" here, is not apt to solve, IMHO, your son's decision in this matter. If he's going to go on to college and with the conditions of his scholarship, he needs to be at peace about this. If he's not at peace with the terms, then he's psychically wide open to all kinds of invitations.

He may be giving the green light to recruiters. And you might not be picking up on that.

Very best to you and your son in this decision-making process.

167 posted on 07/03/2005 3:40:49 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Xenalyte
well, uh.. yeah that kinda goes RIGHT into describing the culture of Bolinas, CA. It ain't brazen, in their own books, Xenalyte: It's bodily "freedom" from repressive regimes! It's a political statement (by action) from the coastline cultural habitat of the Amazonian frame of feminist mindset. And of course, being "anti-military" is part of the militant liberal mindset and "international action" set of behaviors.

Oh heck, we used to call it holding one's breath until they turned.... And that's why "blue" is the perfect color on the charts for representing liberals. I mean, really, what color would you depict for its twin-set behavior of anal retentiveness?

168 posted on 07/03/2005 3:45:03 PM PDT by Alia
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To: evad
Nah. My eldest had wanted life-long to serve our country. Of course, my eldest is also perfectly versed in Marxist linguistics and methodologies, thanks to the area we lived in.

How. Eldest began college at age 12. Tested at beyond highschool levels. How. After brawling with SF Bay Area ideology through education early on, I homeschooled. And at a time, when persecution by the school districts was hidious. Let's just say, my eldest got first-hand training in dealing with combative forces. Eldest wanted to fight cultural cancer(s). :) And continues to do so.

169 posted on 07/03/2005 3:51:32 PM PDT by Alia
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To: doug from upland

You are right, Doug. But liberals can only revise the past in order to accommodate their "be here now" ideology. Put another way? This "crackpot and her pals" would be happily speaking German as long as they got as many freebies as possible. Same then, same now. That others were getting killed? As long as she got her "wants" tended to, what else matters?


170 posted on 07/03/2005 3:54:33 PM PDT by Alia
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To: porkchops 4 mahound
Better to resist on "conservative" principles and leave these students to only these so-called institutions of higher, (VERY debatable imo), learning, (indoctrination into the PCverse).

It would be their choice and they would approach the centers of higher education for information, not the other way around. Sad to see you have such hope in the youth of our country that you believe they would all buy into the lies they are told in college

171 posted on 07/03/2005 4:19:19 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Alia
“They offer these trinkets to lure our children to enlist,” Watson said in a phone interview from her home in Bolinas, Calif. “This is very aggressive, demographic targeting to have conversations with our kids that should not be happening.”

Those trinkets are $50,000 enlistment bonuses, college educations, all medical, dental and optical services and proceedures paid as well as no-cost prescriptions.
$250,000 life insurance for $16.00 per month. Eligibility for home loans. Free health and fitness facilities.
Food, clothing a roof over their heads and a monthly salary. In addition to learning invaluable skills taught nowhere else.

Call it "welfare" and the Liberals are all over it, call it "Military Service" and they say it's deplorable, go figure.

172 posted on 07/03/2005 4:19:48 PM PDT by Laurita (We have enough youth, how about a fountain of SMART?)
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To: Alia

Oh, I forgot the investment opportunites and retirement plan.


173 posted on 07/03/2005 4:22:27 PM PDT by Laurita (We have enough youth, how about a fountain of SMART?)
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To: Laurita
I, personally, have NEVER heard of a $50K enlistment bonus. Furthermore, in re the medical, dental, etc.: It can't just happen on a whim. Military person can't usually just say "Oh Yeah, I need braces". If there is an emergency related to JOB PERFORMANCE -- it gets done. I don't understand the "breast improvements" for females. Have no idea where that relates to "military performance". Maybe in the intel and counter intel ops? Yep, military uniforms are paid for (mostly); all personal matters are not. The pay is low. Yep, $250K for life insurance for $16.00 a month -- and the vast majority of soldiers/marines come home just fine. Lots of civilians pay for insurance policies they never need to use.

Yes, they do learn valuable skills; the first being obedience to orders; not self-rule and feelings. That's the hardest to break in civilians when they enter the military. You have to actually... PERFORM the job you are told TO DO. No civil rights lawyers or tort lawyers going to be able to "defend" your civilian right to be disobedient to superiors. Be abusive to your "underlings" and you end up in big trouble.

It ain't welfare. It means having your "personal life" on hold; something civilians *think* they know of; but they don't. They do when they put in 60-hour-workweeks; but in the civilian sector there's usually perks that go with those long workweeks. This is not true for military. You get the job done no matter how long it takes you. Civilians would not do this.

Call it "welfare" and the Liberals are all over it, call it "Military Service" and they say it's deplorable, go figure.

Yes, you are so right here. How many homeless, on subsistance (fed/state) go in to fight an opponent army with your death foremost in their target and goal?

174 posted on 07/03/2005 5:52:50 PM PDT by Alia
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To: RedBeaconNY

What a beautiful, enlightening post you've written. Yours represents my hopes for all youths -- that they know self-reliance, and faith-with-actions in all they do. That they never lose courage.


175 posted on 07/03/2005 5:59:16 PM PDT by Alia
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To: billbears

The point is a level playing field.


176 posted on 07/03/2005 11:43:54 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (Don't be silly. Do you really want the institutions of "higher" learning to be the only choice ?)
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To: MMcC
I agree with you, but to read some of the Aruba threads, you'd think that a 17/18 year old is a helpless baby who requires constant supervision.

I agree. I'm 31 years old with a 9 month old daughter and I feel like some baby boomers think I'm just a kid. When can I grow up too?

177 posted on 07/03/2005 11:57:18 PM PDT by talmand
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To: Alia
I, personally, have NEVER heard of a $50K enlistment bonus.
You haven't been paying attention. Part of the $28 bil for the military is going towards those bonuses and they are getting higher and higher.

Furthermore, in re the medical, dental, etc.: It can't just happen on a whim. Military person can't usually just say "Oh Yeah, I need braces". If there is an emergency related to JOB PERFORMANCE -- it gets done.
Talking out of your butt here. There are actually less restrictions on so-called "elective procedures" in the military than with a civillian insurance company, but do go on . . .

I don't understand the "breast improvements" for females. Have no idea where that relates to "military performance".
How else do you think military cosmetic surgeons are supposed to keep their skills up? Being a servicemember IS dangerous and we females can have our breasts blown off just as easily as a male can have his legs blown off. In addition, cancer is not an automatic out in the military, when we get sick, the Army doesn't just say, "Well, I'm sorry, your insurance only covers us removing the breast, not reconstructing the mess."

Yep, military uniforms are paid for (mostly); all personal matters are not.
What personal matters do you expect your boss in the civilian world to cover? Once you get out on your own (in both worlds) you actually have to buy your own tampax . . . poor baby.

The pay is low.
You got me there, except of course that with a college degree I was making $9 an hour in the civilian world and working 80 hour weeks, and now I work 40 hour weeks for twice that AND the aforementioned benefits you seem to believe are beneath the ". . . homeless, on subsistance (fed/state)."

Yep, $250K for life insurance for $16.00 a month -- and the vast majority of soldiers/marines come home just fine. Lots of civilians pay for insurance policies they never need to use.
Who needs all that pesky insurance, anyway? What do I care what happens to my family after I'm dead, right?

Yes, they do learn valuable skills; the first being obedience to orders; not self-rule and feelings.
We're all mindless zombies, we're all mindless zombies . . . that must be why we fall for the hypnotism of the recruiters, because we are so weak-minded to begin with.

That's the hardest to break in civilians when they enter the military. You have to actually... PERFORM the job you are told TO DO.
You said a mouthful, there. It's really a crying shame people aren't expected to perform their actual jobs anymore. No wonder there are so many people living on the streets, playing the lottery and relying on welfare . . . it was just too hard for them to "perform" in the workplace.

No civil rights lawyers or tort lawyers going to be able to "defend" your civilian right to be disobedient to superiors. Be abusive to your "underlings" and you end up in big trouble.
Now I'm confused, first you say I need some lawyer to defend my "right" to disobey orders, then you seem to say I shouldn't get in trouble for abusing my subordinates? In any case, see how long you keep your job in the civilian world (if you actually have one) by arguing with your boss over the duties you signed on the dotted line to do.

It ain't welfare. It means having your "personal life" on hold; something civilians *think* they know of; but they don't. They do when they put in 60-hour-workweeks; but in the civilian sector there's usually perks that go with those long workweeks. This is not true for military. You get the job done no matter how long it takes you. Civilians would not do this.
Damn shame, too. A lot of people could do with some pride in getting a job done ". . . no matter how long it takes . . ." As far as having my life on hold, the Army is my life. I AM living it. I AM enjoying it. For the record, I don't get a monthly brain-washing in order to continue doing my job and loving it. I wonder if you are really suggesting taking away the opportunity, nay, the RIGHT of every 18 year old man and woman in the United States to decide for themselves what career path they wish to take? Maybe if I want my kids to grow up to agree with my politics and what I want for them, I should just lock them away from any influence to the contrary? I'm sure someone will start an isolationist cult/colony/commune to protect my kids from any opinion other than mine, as long as they can lobby Congress for the funds . . .

Was that a rant?

178 posted on 07/04/2005 7:01:40 AM PDT by Laurita (We have enough youth, how about a fountain of SMART?)
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To: Laurita

lol. Thank you for serving.


179 posted on 07/04/2005 7:12:55 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
Why do I get the feeling we're having a "heated-agreement?"

Happy Independence Day!

180 posted on 07/04/2005 7:18:54 AM PDT by Laurita (We have enough youth, how about a fountain of SMART?)
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To: Laurita

:) Because we are, Angel! Very Happy Independence Day to you -- and again, THANK YOU.


181 posted on 07/04/2005 7:20:38 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
"Joining the effort are a dozen peace and justice groups including the Ella Baker Center, ACORN, Code Pink, Peace Action, American Friends Service Committee, Latinos for Peace and Veterans for Peace."

REPLY:

Boy does this article cause the blood to boil.

All of the above groups and it's members are sucking up vital oxygen needed by patriotic Americans to sustain life.

What a squirrelly bunch of anti-American groups calling themselves left wing democrats and just plain wackos.

My nephew is an Army recruiter and has had to deal with the nuts from Code Pinko.

There isn't a bigger bunch of horses asses (code pinko) on the face of the earth unless it is the democratic party leadership of HowWeird Deaniac, Nancy Papalousi, Hairy Reed, Babbling Boxero, Murdering Teddy Kennedy, Little Dickey Turd-bin, Johnny Frenchie Kerry, Congressional Black Congress, ACLU, FemiNazi's and of course that ignorant Shelia Jessie Jackson Lee.
182 posted on 07/04/2005 7:28:33 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: Alia
one perspective-shift later . . .

DOH!

183 posted on 07/04/2005 7:28:35 AM PDT by Laurita (We have enough youth, how about a fountain of SMART?)
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To: martin_fierro

LOL! Bolinas is about as mainstream as Berkeley.


184 posted on 07/04/2005 7:48:25 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: OKIEDOC
Boy does this article cause the blood to boil.

Yes, it can. Your namings of the "squirrelly" was amusing. However, on the brightside? Altho your blood may be boiling.. I hear the Lib-Dems in meltdown. In some wierd metaphysic way, I wonder if that's why there are a zillion newer stories about PitBull attacks. Toto just doesn't like being told where to go.

185 posted on 07/04/2005 7:49:54 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Laurita

Great tagline, BTW. :) Amen, so true.


186 posted on 07/04/2005 7:50:37 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
Dateline, 07-11-05: The Left's War Against the Military At Home

Frontpagemag. Expose PLUS links to the anti-war movement by Rocco DiPippo.

187 posted on 07/11/2005 2:09:24 AM PDT by Alia
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To: neodad
"No National Guard to fight forest fires"

That's it! Surrender now! Bring the boys home.


The forests are a quagmire. We should let them burn. /sarc
188 posted on 07/11/2005 2:17:22 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Alia
Communists Against the Military

by Ben Johnson
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 14, 2005

189 posted on 07/14/2005 5:02:30 AM PDT by Alia
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To: JarheadFromFlorida

Israel mandates 4 years for Men, 2 years for Women, than the 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year (like the Guard) until they are 45 years old


190 posted on 07/14/2005 12:14:36 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Alia; B4Ranch; devolve; Jeff Head
"All branches of the military are falling short of recruiting goals . ."

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191 posted on 07/14/2005 12:16:00 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Alia

Moms tell recruiters "Leave my child alone. I want him to become a limp-wristed pansy instead of a man."


192 posted on 07/14/2005 12:19:21 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

Moms tell recruiters "Leave my child alone. I want him to become a limp-wristed pansy instead of a man."

So it's your view that any male who doesn't serve is a limp-wristed pansy? If so, most of President Bush's top guys and a fair number of Freepers are limp-writsed pansies.


193 posted on 07/14/2005 12:25:36 PM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Tax-chick

"The usual run of anti-American snivelers."

I thought we were supposed to have freedom here in these United States. If mom's don't want recruiters sniffing around their kids that's their business. The common thread on FR seems to be that the State owns your children and you should be happy to let them serve. Our founding fathers seemed to think that a "standing army" was a threat to freedom for some reason. It's not anti-American to oppose war.

I volunteered for the Navy in 1968 but that was my personal decision. I could have waited to be drafted but that isn't the culture of my family who dutifully march off to war whenever one occurs.


194 posted on 07/14/2005 12:42:28 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Gone GF
So it's your view that any male who doesn't serve is a limp-wristed pansy?

It's my view that any boy who lets his momma stand in front of him to ward off the recruiters is a limp-wristed pansy.

195 posted on 07/14/2005 12:59:50 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

"It's my view that any boy who lets his momma stand in front of him to ward off the recruiters is a limp-wristed pansy.:

When that happened to me I'd just smack my momma around. That showed her what a man I was.

I can tell you that if recruiters tried to entice our son six years from now, my wife would fight with every ounce of her strength to persuade him not to go. And I'd be there with her. We've already lost one child (not to war) and it would destroy us to lose another.


196 posted on 07/14/2005 1:22:13 PM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Alia

Libraries forced to close. No National Guard to fight forest fires. They can’t find $8.5 billion of the funds we sent to Iraq.


Huh?? My town just built a brand new huge library. Call me confused.


197 posted on 07/14/2005 1:27:10 PM PDT by Lovergirl (Proud member of the Pajama Brigade.)
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To: dljordan

Yes, that's what I said, and that's what I meant. Look at the article in detail; these folks are organized Communists.


198 posted on 07/14/2005 1:39:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No! I don't want a socialist muffin in a boat!)
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To: Happy2BMe; Alia; devolve; Jeff Head; yoe; JarheadFromFlorida; Modok; evad; Future Snake Eater; ...
First let me say I did two tours in NAM. This is a rant about what's wrong with our government and asks is this what our troops should be fighting for.

The Muslim religion is today still considered the "Religion of Peace" by our President. Is his head screwed on too tight?

President Bush said outgoing Justice Sandra Day O'Connor was a "great American" deserving of a hug! Hello? Maybe his head is on too loose.

The Bush administration is talking about amnesty for undocumented Mexicans living in this country, as well as an expanded guest-worker program. The President should have been speaking in Spanish when he told us about the No Child Left Behind Act.

Our crime levels are rising, jobs are disappearing and our wage levels are dropping because of the administrations open border policy.

The Bush administration is pushing for CAFTA to pass which will erase our borders between Canada and Mexico, open the borders further to immigrants. Numerous other bilateral and regional agreements are pending.

The New America is sending our American jobs overseas. The professionals who invested in education and thought they had secure futures in the tech and service industries have had a rude awakening. They have been getting pink slips and joining the unemployment lines, along with auto workers, steel workers, assembly-line workers, loggers, and other low-tech workers. They are being replaced by low-wage workers on computer terminals working from India, Pakistan, and China.

On May 6th, President Bush signed the Singapore Free Trade Agreement, which (if approved by Congress) would allow an unlimited number of "temporary" workers from Singapore to enter the United States. The new Singapore FTA states: "A party shall not: (a) as a condition for temporary entry [of intra-company transferees] require labor certification tests or other procedures of similar effect; or (b) impose or maintain any numerical restriction relating to temporary entry."

The General Agreement on Trade in Services will affect virtually all service industries and service jobs, which means virtually all American businesses and jobs. The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, which takes the lead in negotiating trade agreements, provides this answer to its own question, "What are services?":

Services are what most Americans do for a living. Service industries account for nearly 80 percent of U.S. employment and GDP. U.S. exports of commercial services (i.e., excluding military and government) were $246 billion in 1998, supporting over 4 million services and manufacturing jobs in the United States.

The European Union show that the EU is angling to have the Bush administration force the state governments in the U.S. to eliminate those laws that the Europeans consider to be unacceptably "discriminatory." Remember how the 'seat belt law was passed? Not much force was used, just withhold the Federal dollars and the States will come around!

The proposed closings of many military bases is not an indication that this administration is intending on expanding our military forces for the defense of America. We have troops in 135 countries today. We are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan with National Guard troops, extending their tours of duty repeatedly and causing extreme hardships on their families.

We know how the Democrats think about these issues but Republicans, who claim to be guardians of the Constitution, are not doing a very good job. Republicans once favored a small, limited government but those days are behind us.


Yet FReeper Republicans criticize anyone who doesn't want to fight and die for the erasure of our national borders, the collapse of our native workforce, the voluntary forfeiting of our sovereignty and the crushing of our US Constitution.

Supporting our troops and supporting a false democratic government, which we now have, are two very distinct and different issues. Tell me which politician that you know is fully committed to their Oath of Office. American legislators only, please. Then include which part of their Oath mentions furthering socialism and a One World government.

I personally have advised my children not to consider joining our military services UNTIL we have a 180 degree change of direction in Washington DC. I have asked them to consider running for a local office. Neither of them would consider it because they are too forward. Just like me, they say what they are thinking. Not the proper trait of a successful politician.



The definition of “compassionate conservative:” a person who campaigns as a conservative, then sells out key conservative principles!

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it."
- Mark Twain

If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth.

I hope this post has made everyone reading it absolutely livid.
199 posted on 07/14/2005 2:43:59 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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John "Nuisance" Kerry?



200 posted on 07/14/2005 2:54:53 PM PDT by devolve (-------------------------------------------------)
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