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Moms tell recruiters: ‘Leave My Child Alone!’
People's Weekly World ^ | 06-30-05 | Tim Wheeler

Posted on 07/02/2005 6:08:14 AM PDT by Alia

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To: Alia

A generation of cowards.........won't happen, but whacko babes like this Mom would be much happier living in Somalia or somewhere else.........

141 posted on 07/02/2005 7:33:59 PM PDT by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: Charlespg

And you, many kids do you have in the military right now? You certainly speak with must have at least one serving, right?
No? No kids laying it on the line? Then shut up.

142 posted on 07/02/2005 7:45:27 PM PDT by cowdog77 (For such a time as this.~)
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To: OneWorldTory
Good evening.
"I think that anyone who would let their 17 year old to make the decision to enlist or allow recruiters to influence that decision is an irresponsible parent"

My mom, who allowed me to enlist when I was 17, would tell you to piss up a rope. She would tell you in a more genteel way but her meaning would be clear.

Why would you want your son, if you ever have one, to be an officer? Far too many fit the tits-on-a-bull category and it's the enlisted folk that you are disdainful of who really run the business. Of course, that is also true in civilian life, isn't it. A degree isn't necessarily an indicator of quality except in the eyes of other people with degrees.

If you ever have a son he will choose his own path and he will hate you if you try to make him into what you want him to be. If he has to wait until he turns 18 he will.

Happy 4th of July

Michael Frazier
143 posted on 07/02/2005 8:05:33 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: OneWorldTory
I don't know how many of you have met a 17 year old today, but they aren't mature enough to do it. Culturally speaking we have kept them in cotton wool longer and they are consequently not the same breed as the previous generation. I don't just blame liberals either - conservatives legislate to deny 20 year olds alcohol and climb on their moral 'think of the children' high horse when a nipple slips out on the Super Bowl and wonder why their kids aren't acting like adults anymore.

We're not all like that. Some of us were raised in poor families, and really had to work for what we got. Some of us lived on a very tight budget, where every cent counted. We grew up in the country, my dad in college all day, my mom working all night. They were poor college kids doing the best they knew how. They were both very diligent in what they did, and it exhausted them. As a result, my brother and I grew up as hard working kids- we knew that if it was going to be done, we had to do it ourselves. If something needed to be done, it was done without question, often without being asked. We never thought, "Woe is us" or "Our life is so hard"; we never knew better, and thus had nothing to envy.

Thanks to that foundation which they laid for us, we aren't of the same caliber as many of today's youth. We do every single item of home repair work in our home. Last autumn, I brought my master bathroom, which was falling through the floor (after not being disclosed by the previous owners), down to the studs. It was a vintage 1960's bathroom meant to last for time and all eternity. It took a good 24 hours worth of intense physical labor, but I did it. My brother has done similar projects. I expect no reward; I do it because it needs to be done. I agree full well that many of the city kids whose parents waited until they had accumulated substantial wealth before deciding to have kids are far from mature. I see it every day, and I wonder why? Why would you do that to your kid? Why would you stamp a handicap on him that he may well live with for the rest of his life?

Now, my point in all of this is that some of us DO have the maturity, the work ethic, the 'wisdom' to make such decisions. I am young, I'll be 17 in 7 months, but I am far from the protected innocent children you describe. I have never tasted alcohol and never will, but that is not because the legislative branch decided it for me. That is my choice. The same applies with drugs. I just won't do it. There is too much to live for to waste your life away like that. I don't think that we should be exposed to immorality on prime time television either. The Superbowl is a father/son event in many homes across the nation, and it should be appropriate for kids. Now, I realize that things do happen that can't be censored, but we can try. Even better, we can just turn off the television, and go play a game of catch outside. Everybody could use a bit more exercise these days.

My point being, we're not all coddled idealists who aren't mature enough as 17 year olds to decide which direction we'll take our lives in. Believe it or not, there is still a breed, albeit a dying one, of kids with the maturity to make intelligent decisions. There are some of us strong enough to take a stand for what we believe in, and fight it out without the aid of our parents. I have had that privilege several times, ranging on issues from politics to homosexuality. I'll have you know that there are military universities that allow you to obtain a college degree AND serve your country. Mommy's not always going to be there to hold your hand, and the sooner you realize it the better. I would hope that you don't raise the type of children you describe. Keep the breed of the few good kids alive- you have that power.

144 posted on 07/02/2005 8:17:39 PM PDT by RedBeaconNY (Peace is not absence of war.)
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To: billbears
But at no time was it ever the intent of the Framers for the national government to maintain that much knowledge over the citizens of the separate states.

True, but you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. These parents should know that if they send their kids to a public school supported by gobs of federal dollars, then they should be prepared for the more unpleasant tasks involved with keeping the Republic free and strong.

145 posted on 07/02/2005 8:56:03 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
keeping the Republic free and strong.

What Republic? Federalism is dead. Congress involves itself in state affairs, SCOTUS involves itself in state affairs, the state legislatures are not represented at the federal level as intended. The Republic is gone.

But I agree with you, I'm not sure I would send a kid into public school after 6th grade.

146 posted on 07/02/2005 9:00:40 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: cowdog77
And you, many kids do you have in the military right now? You certainly speak with must have at least one serving, right? No? No kids laying it on the line? Then shut up.

this woman is more concerned with sprouting left-wing rubbish then the governments recruiting policy

two more things if I had kids I would teach them that there is no shame in serving your country
And if the military would take me I would go,but was diagnosed with diabetes at 25 but still would go if asked

oh by the way if you don't like my posts don't read them

147 posted on 07/02/2005 9:18:12 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: OneWorldTory
Some of those men came home without a college degree and entered the business world successfully. You can't do that anymore.

Not true. My husband spent 9 years in the Navy, did no college, but received electronics training. He left the Navy making 30k (1998) and doubled his income within 2 years. Still without any college.

We had two children when he left the Navy, one was an infant. We managed just fine.

148 posted on 07/02/2005 9:49:24 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: gcraig

lol! Loved your post. :) And thank you for serving and serving and serving. Blessings upon you and yours, now and forever. You obviously understand that some people only can serve "causes"; and then there are those who serve the country. There's a world of difference between these two types.

149 posted on 07/03/2005 5:49:36 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Charlespg

"Emasculators". Most feminist mothers are. They are clueless about "maleness"; they exhibit no respect for the differences between male and female. What I've always found curious? Feminist anti-war mothers, also tend to support females in "egalitarian roles" in the military. Can we say.. cognitive dissonance?

150 posted on 07/03/2005 5:53:10 AM PDT by Alia
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To: RedBeaconNY

RedBeacon, I'm mighty proud of your post, well said, and no one your age could say it better. In the first place, your calibre is NOT a dying breed, our Armed Forces are FULL of your calibre of person, that includes both enlisted and OFFICERS.

Reading carefully what you've written, there is no doubt in my mind that your choices in life will be made with discernment and uncompromised logic. Best to you, you make us proud--and thankful.

151 posted on 07/03/2005 6:28:41 AM PDT by brushcop (u)
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To: OneWorldTory

I think you replied to the wrong person. None of what you said makes any sense to me or has anything to do with what I think and I don't care a whit what you or your sons do.

152 posted on 07/03/2005 9:52:35 AM PDT by TigersEye ("It's a Republic if you can keep it!" - B. Franklin)
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To: evad
First, I believe one has to be 18 to enlist in the military

No. Not true. I think it is 16, they may enlist WITH PARENTAL CONSENT. My eldest, with two years of college already, went in soon after 17th birthday, after a 6 month "negot" process after enlisting. And was in the second immediate quick tranch into Afghanistan. Oh yeah. it was a tough decision. Psychologically and emotionally, my eldest was ready. The problem was me. lol. I wanted to make sure my eldest understood the terms of contract with military, fully. Why? I just don't like whinings and complaints: Education up front for better decision making. My eldest did some great works in Afghanistan. :)

153 posted on 07/03/2005 12:20:40 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

Of course when Clinton was bombing Yugoslavia, this woman wouldn't have had a problem with it.

154 posted on 07/03/2005 12:25:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Of course not. So awful to say; but Clinton Admin and Cabinet knew so little about running the military; the alarm during Clinton Admin? Seemed they were more involved with getting military killed, than actually accomplishing any good. Therefore, yes, I suspect you are right that:

when Clinton was bombing Yugoslavia, this woman wouldn't have had a problem with it.

155 posted on 07/03/2005 12:37:54 PM PDT by Alia
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To: All

It just seems to me that US is exhausting itself fighting senseless little wars while China is preparing with tremendous determination and focus for the inevitable.....the sooner US gets out of this mess and confronts the real enemy the better...let the Iraqis shoot themselves.

156 posted on 07/03/2005 12:43:52 PM PDT by strider123 (Ha! I hate Pakis..)
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To: billbears
Indeed, I can see the absolute insanity of giving US military recruiters the exact same access to students that "institutions of higher education" already have.

Better to resist on "conservative" principles and leave these students to only these so-called institutions of higher, (VERY debatable imo), learning, (indoctrination into the PCverse).

MUCH Much better.

157 posted on 07/03/2005 12:49:40 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (In the real world you have to play the hand you are dealt.)
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To: Alia

I have had horrable experiences with Army recruters for my 19 yo son. They are offering him so much. He is next to a pro soccer player. Works out with pro teams but can't play because his scholarship offers would go away. Actually had to throw a recruter off my property. Free college, special forces, special assignments are just a few of the bribes.

158 posted on 07/03/2005 12:55:02 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Alia

Had this crackpot and her pals been born 50 years earlier, they would have spent her golden years speaking German.

159 posted on 07/03/2005 12:57:44 PM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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To: OneWorldTory

You have no idea how many people you just insulted. Your post reeks of elitist Clintonian crap. I hope that your son does whatever he wants, in spite of you. And IF you were a good parent - you would support him and his decision 100%.

160 posted on 07/03/2005 1:02:41 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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