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MSNBC Analyst Says Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove as Source in Plame Case

Posted on 07/02/2005 9:42:39 AM PDT by TShaunK

MSNBC Analyst Says Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove as Source in Plame Case

By E&P Staff

Published: July 01, 2005 11:30 PM ET

NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, presumably revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source, and what might happen to him or her. Tonight, on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove.

Here is the transcript of O'Donnell's remarks:

"What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury, the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.

"And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."

Other panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper.

Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller, held in contempt for refusing to name sources, tried Friday to stay out of jail by arguing for home detention instead after Time Inc. surrendered its reporter's notes to a prosecutor.

Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., said Friday that several unidentified Senate Republicans had placed a hold on a proposed resolution declaring support for Miller and Cooper.

``Cowards!'' Lautenberg said of the Republicans. ``Under the rules, they have a right to refuse to reveal who they are. Sound familiar?''

Lautenberg's resolution is co-sponsored by Sens. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) and Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.) It says no purpose is served by imprisoning Miller and Cooper and that the First Amendment guarantees freedom of the press.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News
KEYWORDS: cialeak; karlrove
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This can't be good if true.
1 posted on 07/02/2005 9:42:39 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: TShaunK

If true, then it demonstrates what a bunch of hypocrites reporters are. They claim that they can't reveal their sources, but they apparently DO reveal their sources to people who they want to, and in this case, Cooper apparently revealed his source to O'Donnell.


3 posted on 07/02/2005 9:46:09 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: William Creel

What I don't get is why is this guy shooting his mouth off.Its almost like he is signaling to Judith Miller (hey this where were going)


4 posted on 07/02/2005 9:46:24 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: William Creel

And what are you saying should happen to Rove if he is guilty?


6 posted on 07/02/2005 9:48:18 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: TShaunK

It's MSNBC! These jokers don't even know who won WWII.


Even so...If Rove's name was found in this guy's "notes", knowing the party affiliation of most jurnos...it would/should be met with a great, great, deal of skepticism.


7 posted on 07/02/2005 9:48:21 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Soylent Green is People!")
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To: Brilliant

O'Donnel is a Democrat who was employed by Democratic committees in the Senate along with Democrats like Pat Monighan.


8 posted on 07/02/2005 9:48:23 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: TShaunK

Seems to me if the MSM could have fingered Rove in this they would have gleefully done it a long long time ago.


10 posted on 07/02/2005 9:48:53 AM PDT by Wiser now (A bitter, sour old woman is the crowning work of the devil.)
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To: William Creel

Its an awfully big chance they are taking.


11 posted on 07/02/2005 9:49:32 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: TShaunK

If it were Rove, he would've been outed a long time ago. Would've been too valuable ammo for the election. O'donnell is a rabid moonbat idiot.


12 posted on 07/02/2005 9:49:47 AM PDT by IonInsights
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To: TShaunK

If it were true, I suspect the prosecutors would have already done something about it. Rather than wait for Laurence O'Donnell to handle the case on national tv.

Let's give the benefit of the doubt to Rove, rather than indict him based upon a raving lunatic like O'Donnell.


13 posted on 07/02/2005 9:49:52 AM PDT by nj26
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To: William Creel
Even if not true, it must be Accurate. Therefore, Rove is guilty either way.
14 posted on 07/02/2005 9:49:52 AM PDT by C210N (-)
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To: TShaunK

Think DURBIN!! To much heat on DURBIN!! and the Dems. With Hildabeast and Dean opening their big mouths trying to turn the tide against Durbin, another talking head of the MSM is just adding logs to the fire!!


15 posted on 07/02/2005 9:50:31 AM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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To: TShaunK
I suggest looking at the chain of custody for those notes. Or should we just take it on faith that a journalist wouldn't ever fabricate something (do I really need to put a sarcasm tag on this statement?) I find it very hard to believe that the reporters would fight so hard to protect Rove. No, this one doesn't pass the smell test for me. Note that O'Donnell is only identified as an MSNBC Analyst and there is no indication of his obvious partisan background.
16 posted on 07/02/2005 9:52:30 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Same stuff, different democRAT [this tagline rated PG-13])
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To: William Creel
Umm, he's not guilty. Thanks for the clearing that up. Like your namesake, you know the truth!!!
17 posted on 07/02/2005 9:52:52 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

It would depend on the intent and and the context on how and if it was leaked by KR.


18 posted on 07/02/2005 9:53:00 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: TShaunK

No, because Wilson tried to point to Rove from the very beginning (remember the "frog-march" business?).

This is just the usual refashioning of the original charge that the dems resort to time and again.

Rove was a source after Novak's column, no doubt, and that will show in Cooper's notes. Everyone needs to understand that is different than being the source for Novak's column.

Two other threads on this (with my analysis on each):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435098/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435266/posts


20 posted on 07/02/2005 9:54:29 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Wiser now
Seems to me if the MSM could have fingered Rove in this they would have gleefully done it a long long time ago.

I don't know. If it was told in confidentiality they might have had qualms about violating that, enough qualms to keep them quiet till now.

However, when push comes to shove, I don't think that any member of the MSM would be willing to go to jail for Karl Rove.

That's probably why Time folded --- if it was somebody else who leaked, I'm not sure that they would have.

21 posted on 07/02/2005 9:56:14 AM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: Austin Willard Wright
And what are you saying should happen to Rove if he is guilty?

The special prosecutor said early on that Rove was/is NOT the target of this investigation.

22 posted on 07/02/2005 9:57:02 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: cyncooper

Stil a very brazen charge by that yahoo.


23 posted on 07/02/2005 9:57:18 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Since he's not, your hypothetical is irrelevant.

But let's say by some miracle Rove had been the source to explain to Novak that the reason Wilson, notorious Bush-hater, would be selected to travel Niger way was because Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and recommended him. So what?

The public information points strongly away from her being undercover and Novak says he was not told she was, so what's the problem?

But the fact is it wasn't anyone in the WH because nobody there knew Wilson had even gone there so they could not be leaking information about it.

I await your reply.


24 posted on 07/02/2005 9:58:58 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: TShaunK

"Other panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper."

This kind of premature speculation smacks of leftwing conspiracy theories. They know that they've got to put forth their concocted theory now, or never, since the information will soon be released, and Rove will be off the hook.


25 posted on 07/02/2005 9:59:17 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Howlin

Any way you look at it tho, it's 4th of July weekend and the little girl in Idaho has been found.

This story is back burner.


26 posted on 07/02/2005 9:59:17 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (...stumbling across Bill Bennett on the radio is like bumping into Socrates at Starbucks.-K.Parker)
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To: Howlin

The special prosecutor said early on that Rove was/is NOT the target of this investigation.

Yeha but that dosen't mean he would not be in the notes would it?


27 posted on 07/02/2005 10:00:00 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: TShaunK
Its an awfully big chance they are taking.

Who are you talking about?

28 posted on 07/02/2005 10:00:32 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: TShaunK

This is 10 time this story has been resurrected. O'Donnel,MSM, DNC, top DEMS are all whistling past their own graveyard.


29 posted on 07/02/2005 10:01:16 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: IonInsights
If it were Rove, he would've been outed a long time ago. Would've been too valuable ammo for the election

Wilson did name Rove right off the bat. He was lying, of course, but that was the first person he pointed to, and it was used in the election.

30 posted on 07/02/2005 10:01:39 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: TShaunK

He may well be in the notes, but he's not going to be named as the SOURCE, which is what this investigation was about.


31 posted on 07/02/2005 10:02:56 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: hflynn

I wish I thought this would be the final nail in O'Donnell's credibility.


32 posted on 07/02/2005 10:03:45 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: TShaunK

Where have you been? They live to make brazen charges that are flat out false.


33 posted on 07/02/2005 10:04:06 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: TShaunK

Why don't you get in a dither over their brazen lies rather than wring your hands over the baseless idea that Rove was doing something wrong (leave aside the fact that the sources to Novak were doing nothing wrong---but they weren't in the WH and Rove was not one of them).


34 posted on 07/02/2005 10:05:29 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper

I'm talking about the rat who is implicating KR.

Little hight stakes poker IMO to come out with that.

Also why would he come out with it on a bad newsweekend like the 4th/7?


35 posted on 07/02/2005 10:05:54 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: TShaunK

Do you think the MSM would allow something that could take down Rove to remain hidden for this long? Through the election no less...


36 posted on 07/02/2005 10:07:39 AM PDT by Modok
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To: TShaunK

Already posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435266/posts


37 posted on 07/02/2005 10:08:49 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: cyncooper

Yeah but they are usually a little more cutier than that... I mean this is a direct statment.


38 posted on 07/02/2005 10:09:08 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: Austin Willard Wright
And what are you saying should happen to Rove if he is guilty?

Since the "crime" is about 1% of what Sandy Berger did, I would suggest 1% of Sandy's penalty, 1% x zero = zero.

39 posted on 07/02/2005 10:09:21 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (Never draw to an inside straight.)
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To: TShaunK

I know you were talking about. As I keep explaining to you, Rove was the original target Wilson pointed to and the plan apparently is to put his name out there again as the documents are about to be turned over.

Why? Because Rove's name WILL be in there---but he didn't speak to reporters until AFTER Novak's column. That will be the hook the dems will take to obfuscate the timeline, and it will be what O'Donnell claims as his excuse for making the charge and if called on it, he'll claim it was an honest (gag) mistake.


40 posted on 07/02/2005 10:10:56 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: TShaunK

You can't get more direct than Wilson's original accusation made publicly and even saying he hoped to see Rove frog-marched off to jail.

They are always this direct and I'm not buying your act.


41 posted on 07/02/2005 10:12:38 AM PDT by cyncooper
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This can't be good if true.

"And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."

Lawrence O'Donnell was SPECULATING. He was tossing out red meat. That's what the talking heads on all these news and political gab fests do constantly. O'Donnell and his fellow travelers on the Left want Rove's head so bad they have wet dreams over it. Rove scares the you-know-what out of them because they see him as a political genius.

42 posted on 07/02/2005 10:15:54 AM PDT by Wolfstar (The Dim Party and its fellow leftist travelers want nothing less than the fall of the United States.)
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To: TShaunK

Whoops--I had forgotten I did ask you who you were talking about at one point and then you explained. I had figured it out in the intervening posts, hence my "I know who you were talking about" reply.

However, take a step back and think about the timeline on the various threads linked and you'll see that while it is a brazen charge, that is the dem modus and nothing new, but it is also false.


43 posted on 07/02/2005 10:20:10 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper

They are always this direct and I'm not buying your act.



Nice move cause I'm not acting I just don't know. I want to have ammo for another board.
I was hoping like hell it would some how be tied to the Kerry campign.Since Kerry and Wilson were close.
Also you would think that O'Donnel would be in deep shit for making those comments like that.
Its just a little above me thats all.no act.


44 posted on 07/02/2005 10:21:30 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: TShaunK

This isn't true and its going to be really funny when the truth comes out.

For this to be true you'd have to believe these leftist reports would be shielding Carl Rove in the face of jail.

Were it Rove they'd have made a mad dash to report this day one and "get the scoop".

My prediction is that it was the womans husband who dropped the dime on her.


45 posted on 07/02/2005 10:28:10 AM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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And what are you saying should happen to Rove if he is guilty?

He should be promoted.
46 posted on 07/02/2005 10:29:32 AM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: TShaunK
Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove.


Um the same Lawrence O'Donnell that screamed "Creepy Liar" at the Swift Vote vet founder when he was on an MSNBC show. And the Same deranged lunatic O'Donell that told this same PBS "News" show that after Bush's reelection that there was a real possiblity of the Blue States spliting off from the United States and joining Canada?

Finally, does anyone remember that O'Donell's ONLY qualification as a "political analysis" is as a script writer for the far left TV show "West Wing"?

Dream on loony tunes Left. Dream on.....
47 posted on 07/02/2005 10:29:34 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Iraq is A Terrorist Rat Trap, Terrorists go in, they don't come out.)
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To: cyncooper

What makes me worry too,is that they wouldn't go to jail for KR,although they want to play it out and give that appearence.
They would go to jail for some dem.


48 posted on 07/02/2005 10:29:54 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: TShaunK

I'm sorry...you're worried?

Don't be.


49 posted on 07/02/2005 10:31:44 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: TShaunK

The libs will have a field day with this one.
The CIA woman to my knowledge is not an agent so what is the big deal, isn't she a office person?

Hard to believe that Rove would not admit it to begin with!!!!!!!!! This story is weird.


50 posted on 07/02/2005 10:36:05 AM PDT by Burlem
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