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Ex-Iranian Agent: Photo Not Ahmadinejad
Las Vegas Sun ^ | July 02, 2005 at 10:52:25 PDT | ALI AKBAR DAREINI ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 07/02/2005 10:58:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -

A top Iranian former secret agent said Saturday that the hostage-taker in a 1979 photograph that has come under intense scrutiny is not President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad but a former militant who committed suicide in jail.

Saeed Hajjarian, a top adviser to outgoing President Mohammad Khatami, identified the man in the photo dating to the 1979 U.S. Embassy siege as Taqi Mohammadi.

Iran's newly elected president has been accused of being a main participant in the taking of American hostages at the embassy. Six former U.S. hostages who saw the president-elect in photos or on television said they believe Ahmadinejad was among the hostage-takers. One said he was interrogated by Ahmadinejad.

The White House said it was taking their statements seriously. President Bush said "many questions" were raised by the allegations.

International media have compared photos of Ahmadinejad, who won a presidential runoff election last week, with a black-and-white picture of one of the hostage-takers, a young man with a thin, bearded face and dark hair that sweeps down across his forehead.

But Hajjarian told The Associated Press they were not the same person.

"This man is Taqi Mohammadi, a militant who later turned into a dissident and committed suicide in jail," he said, pointing to the 1979 photo.

He said Mohammadi was a militant who joined students in the embassy takeover. Mohammadi was later arrested on charges of involvement in the 1981 bombing in Tehran that killed the country's president and prime minister, and committed suicide in prison, Hajjarian said.

Hajjarian's comment follows statements by a number of the former Iranian students who carried out the U.S. Embassy seizure and held Americans hostage for 444 days that Ahmadinejad had no role in events.

Hajjarian, considered the brains behind Khatami's democratic reforms program, is a former top official in the Intelligence Ministry, or the secret service. Both supporters and opponents describe him as the "walking memory" of Iran's recent history because of his access to classified information and secrets within Iran's ruling Islamic establishment.

Hajjarian is one of many reformers who is at loggerheads with the hard-line Ahmadinejad.

He was shot by a hard-line vigilante in 2000 and is paralyzed and cannot speak fluently.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; iran; iranianpresiran; usembassy
More on the Photo,.....Hmmm....
1 posted on 07/02/2005 10:58:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: nuffsenuff

fyi


2 posted on 07/02/2005 10:59:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Proof that Moslems think it is O K to lie to Westerners.


http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004853.php

Getting back to the point at hand, in this post, Captain Ed (the original) noted that evidence is mounting that the recently elected president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was in fact one of the ringleaders of the 1979 seizure of the U.S. embassy in Teheran, where embassy personnel and Marines were held captive for 444 days.

But it turns out, that's just the tip of the sandberg.

Last night (30 June 2005) on Special Report With Brit Hume, Brit's guest was Rob Sobhani, adjunct professor at Georgetown University and frequent contributor to National Review and the Wall Street Journal; Sobhani discussed several questions related to Iran, including the elfin Mr. President Ahmadinejad.

Sobhani did not personally know whether Ahmadinejad was one of the hostage takers; but he did know something about his background. After university, Ahmadinejad joined the Revolutionary Guard and was assigned to a special unit whose mission was to hunt down and assassinate Iranian dissidents and defectors. He was sent on a number of such missions.

If this has gotten any other recent airplay, I've missed it. GlobalSecurity.org has had this information up on its website for several days now:

Ahmadinejad was a senior officer in the Special Brigade of the Revolutionary Guards, stationed at Ramazan Garrison near Kermanshah in western Iran. This was the headquarters of the Revolutionary Guards’ "Extra-territorial Operations" -- mounting attacks beyond Iran’s borders. His work in the Revolutionary Guards was related to suppression of dissidents in Iran and abroad. He personally participated in covert operations around the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
With the formation of the elite Qods (Jerusalem) Force of the IRGC, Ahmadinejad became one of its senior commanders. He directed assassinations in the Middle East and Europe, including the assassination of Iranian Kurdish leader Abdorrahman Qassemlou, who was shot dead by senior officers of the Revolutionary Guards in a Vienna flat in July 1989. Ahmadinejad was a key planner of the attack. He was reported to have been involved in planning an attempt on the life of Salman Rushdie....

Ahmadinejad, an unabashed conservative, resurrected the fervor of the 1979 Islamic Revolution during the campaign by saying Iran "did not have a revolution in order to have democracy, but to have an Islamic government." Ahmadinejad had a bloody background. He was responsible for the execution of hundreds of dissidents after the war.


[Emphasis added because my jaw is dropping]

Considering the help Ahmadinejad received from the Guardians Council in this election (vote rigging, ballot stuffing, candidate intimidation, dissident assassination), one wonders whether his job is actually to order the Iranian nuclear attacks on Israel, America, Iraq, the UK, and France (well, probably not France) that the Mullahs see getting less hazy all the time in their Magic 8-Balls.

Perhaps they worried that Rafsanjani, that unreliable fellow, might balk at obliterating half the world in the name of Allah. Considering how many heads Ahmadinejad already has hanging from his belt, he likely wouldn't hesitate any longer than it takes to say "Rumplestiltskin."


3 posted on 07/02/2005 11:05:40 AM PDT by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: OXENinFLA; knighthawk; gopwinsin04; RaceBannon

more.....


4 posted on 07/02/2005 11:05:54 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is an undated picture of Iranian president-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, released by Mardomyar, Ahmadinejad's campaign website. Ahmadinejad was elected president of Iran on Saturday June 25, 2005. (AP Photo/Mardomyar, HO)

Iran's President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talks to reporters in Tehran on June 29, 2005.

5 posted on 07/02/2005 11:06:51 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Why take the chance? Whack him.


6 posted on 07/02/2005 11:11:01 AM PDT by RichInOC (SHAITAN: HOW ARE YOU MAHMOUD!! ALL YOUR SOUL ARE BELONG TO US. HA HA HA HA....)
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To: Ramonan; Grampa Dave
I saw that interview of Rob Sobhani...pretty hair-raising....

As Mayor of Tehran, his claim to fame was the segregation of the elevators , separation for the genders...

As I said to GD, this guy may have had a closer involvement with more of his victims than Saddam did.

7 posted on 07/02/2005 11:11:41 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

8 posted on 07/02/2005 11:12:54 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: FairOpinion

See #8


9 posted on 07/02/2005 11:13:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Let's knock him off anyway, just to make sure.


10 posted on 07/02/2005 11:14:04 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hmmm, should I take the word of a former Iranian secret agent, the MSM, some unknowns on FR, etc.....or the word of at least five 1979 American hostages?


11 posted on 07/02/2005 11:16:29 AM PDT by Textide
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bttt


12 posted on 07/02/2005 11:19:01 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The ex-hostages said it was the bearded guy next to the hostage on the right(as we look at the picture), not the one on the side.

Yahoo link to picture and description

November 9, 1979 file photo showing one of 60 U.S. hostages, blindfolded and with his hands bound, being displayed to the crowd outside the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by Iranian hostage takers. At least 2 former U.S. hostages say they believe the bearded man, second from right, is Iranian president-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad while several former hostage takers all said they did not think it was Ahmadinejad. A close aide to Ahmadenijad refused to look at the photos or comment on the issue in Teheran Thursday, June 30, 2005.(AP Photo/Files)

13 posted on 07/02/2005 11:26:29 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yahoo Link to this picture and description

November 9, 1979 file photo showing one of 60 U.S. hostages, blindfolded and with his hands bound, being displayed to the crowd outside the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by Iranian hostage takers. At least 2 former U.S. hostages say they believe the bearded man, far right, is Iranian president-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad while several former hostage takers all said they did not think it was Ahmadinejad. A close aide to Ahmadenijad refused to look at the photos or comment on the issue in Teheran Thursday, June 30, 2005.(AP Photo/Files)

14 posted on 07/02/2005 11:30:30 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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A top Iranian former secret agent said Saturday that the hostage-taker in a 1979 photograph that has come under intense scrutiny is not President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad but a former militant who committed suicide in jail.

Al -Taqiyah

15 posted on 07/02/2005 11:30:41 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (Imagine if islam controlled the internet.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; PhilDragoo

16 posted on 07/02/2005 11:31:11 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: FairOpinion

I think the iranian rulers, are dumping all of this confusion on us to try and hide who this guy really is!


17 posted on 07/02/2005 11:32:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Freebird Forever

Right!


18 posted on 07/02/2005 11:34:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The hairlines at the top of the forehead (using the individual you have so importantly pointed out) are now consistent between the then and now photos.


19 posted on 07/02/2005 11:35:45 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: Grampa Dave; FairOpinion

Thanks GD, FairOpinion see #16.


20 posted on 07/02/2005 11:36:03 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Paladin2; Grampa Dave

That hairline, to me is the best evidence of all.

See #16 that Grampa Dave posted.


21 posted on 07/02/2005 11:38:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
What he did to Iranians is not really a matter for our concern. Putin was KGB and probably responsible for much misery in Russia. We deal with him.

But if this guy invaded the embassy and took hostages, then he committed an act of war against the US. That we should thoroughly investigate and if true, take action.

22 posted on 07/02/2005 11:38:50 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (Peace, Love, Brotherhood, and Firepower. And the greatest of these is Firepower!)
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To: FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; OXENinFLA

Pictures 2, 4, 6 & 8 are color blowups of the thug holding the arm of our American during the Carter embassy fiasco. That picture is shown below.


23 posted on 07/02/2005 11:39:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: Grampa Dave

The nose doesn't match. Thin and pointy in the younger guy, fat, wide, and flatter in the older guy. I'd like it to be him, but the pics just don't seem to match.


24 posted on 07/02/2005 11:39:47 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: wyattearp

You must be looking the thug on the far right.

Look at the jihadist thug with our man in his grip.


25 posted on 07/02/2005 11:41:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: wyattearp

There was a lot of discussion on one of the threads....( not sure which one, we have so many now ), of how various facial features tend to change with age....nose is one of them...


26 posted on 07/02/2005 11:43:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Grampa Dave
Iranian paper 'identifies' students in siege photo

This photograph of a blindfolded American hostage in 1979 and his Iranian captors has sparked a debate over the role of the President-elect in the crisis. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's opponents say that he is the man circled, but others in Iran have said that the photographed men are dead

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I don't know, but the hostages said the bearded circled one is the guy.

27 posted on 07/02/2005 11:47:33 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Grampa Dave

Pictures 2, 4 6 and 8 don't look like the man holding the arm. What am I missing? Look at the nose shadow in the color photos, then in the b&w picture, the angle is completely different, and the mustashe is more visible, more hair under his bottom lip. I'm having a hard time seeing the similarities.


28 posted on 07/02/2005 11:48:40 AM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

There are two photos of our man being held.

The one that everyone has seen has a different thug holding his arm.

Check the photo in the series I posted. The bottom photo is relatively new to the discussions. From that photo, the pictures 2, 4, 6 and 8 were blown up and in color.


29 posted on 07/02/2005 11:52:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: wyattearp
"The nose doesn't match. Thin and pointy in the younger guy, fat, wide, and flatter in the older guy. I'd like it to be him, but the pics just don't seem to match."

I have to agree. Something about the nose just isn't right. But then maybe he has reverse Jacko nose syndrome.
30 posted on 07/02/2005 11:54:24 AM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I'm out of here for lunch and an afternoon with some friends.


31 posted on 07/02/2005 11:56:53 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I still don't see what you're saying. In post #28, the man in the black and white photo (far right), holding the arm, isn't the man in the color photos. Perhaps you mean the black and white photo in post #27? Sorry for being dense....


32 posted on 07/02/2005 11:59:05 AM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Grampa Dave

I think I see, it's the man second from the right. Got it now. Sorry....


33 posted on 07/02/2005 12:00:23 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, that removes a severe impediment to international relations, leaving just the usual impediments of warring nations.


34 posted on 07/02/2005 12:00:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach

I was looking at the collection of photos, actually. It isn't just the nose, the chin doesn't appear to match either. One has a wider, more forward chin than the other. I'd like to think that we finally identified one of those scumbags, but I don't see a match.


35 posted on 07/02/2005 12:05:15 PM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is all pretty pointless, because the official regime has done far worse to us since then, including the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon and the kidnapping, torture and murder of the Lebanon CIA station chief. That regime has American blood all over its hands.


36 posted on 07/02/2005 12:05:50 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: zencat

Take a good look at their chins. They don't match either.


37 posted on 07/02/2005 12:06:10 PM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: xkaydet65; FairOpinion; Indy Pendance; Grampa Dave; RightWhale
But if this guy invaded the embassy and took hostages, then he committed an act of war against the US. That we should thoroughly investigate and if true, take action.

And perhaps that is why so much confusion has been introduced into the many discussions of the photographs and just which photographs that the former hostages were responding to when they said "Thats him"......

Something deliberate going on perhaps.....

38 posted on 07/02/2005 12:10:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Possibly. I'm still confused as to which exact photos GD was refering to. The man in the color picture has a different background than any other pictures posted on this thread. Notice the person behind him in the color photo, yet in the black and white photos, no one is behind him.


39 posted on 07/02/2005 12:13:04 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
That hairline, to me is the best evidence of all.

I thought it was the nose. In the first hostage photo, the guy on the right has a nose that looks more like Ahmadinejad's. Especially note the high cheekbone lines that run from the center of the nose down around his mouth.

-PJ

40 posted on 07/02/2005 12:16:43 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It's quite possible, that they want to muddy the waters, create confustion, and then dismiss the whole thing, with "to the Westerners all Iranians look the same", therefore none of it is true.


41 posted on 07/02/2005 12:56:56 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I also saw an interview with Rob Sobhani. He was very good and his analysis was right on.


42 posted on 07/02/2005 2:05:35 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; nuconvert; DoctorZIn; F14 Pilot; All

http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/id28.html

There is a 3rd suspect not previously mentioned...


43 posted on 07/02/2005 2:47:46 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If this really is him, and it really resembles him a great deal, then he's got a butt kickin' coming to him from a long time ago.


44 posted on 07/02/2005 3:37:31 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Oh dear. When I looked at the orignal photo (as in post #5) I was convinced everyone was talking about the guy holding the hostages arm - I could easily have bought he was the new president. However - the pictures (such as in #8 that suggest it is the guy next to the guy I thought everyone was taling about make me nervous. I never gave this guy a second look when I first saw the photo..... it seems to underline to me that as someone from a non persion culture - ALL THESE PERSION/IRANIAN folk look the same to my untrained aye! On the back of that bit of insight I'm going to stop making these claims to everyone and wait for the CIA or whoever to release something definitive!


45 posted on 07/02/2005 5:24:23 PM PDT by Brit_Guy
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To: wyattearp; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Big noses of the same person will look different on the same day depending on camera angle. Look at photos of Tom Cruise and his nose in different angles on the same movie set. He appears to have different noses depending on the side and camera angle. If one focuses on the nose, it will often appear to be different in photos taken on the same day of the same person. The chins in these pictures have too much beard to make a comparison.

What doesn't change is the fold/crease between the upper check and the nose.

Look at that crease/fold between the upper cheek and nose on all of the photos of the top row. The crease/fold appears to be same in the old pictures and the new pictures, from it starts from the nose, length of the crease and position on the face.

Last but not least is the style and grooming of the man 25 years ago is similiar to the man todya. The older photos show a man who had his hair professionally done versus the normal scraggy look of that area from 25 years ago to today. He is dressed in a nice sportcoat in many photos, and he wears a turtle neck which is coordinated. That was not very typical of the average university jihadist when our embassy people were held captive.

If the photos are not the same man over time, then the earlier photos are possibly photos of a cousin or brother. Remember how, so many of Saddam's cousins and brothers looked alike with similiar features. They came from the same city, Tikrit.

46 posted on 07/02/2005 5:25:09 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

"Especially note the high cheekbone lines that run from the center of the nose down around his mouth."

This to me is the same distinguishing feature from the early photos to the currrent ones. I discussed and posted a collage that shows this same feature over the years on reply # 46.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1435369/posts?page=46#46


47 posted on 07/02/2005 5:30:49 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: Grampa Dave
I discussed and posted a collage that shows this same feature over the years on reply # 46.

I don't know if the similarities in grooming is due to being from the same city or if everyone groomed like Saddam to honor him and avoid being killed.

In this guy's case, I think you're right about the skin folds on the face. Grooming can be changed over time, just ask Scott Peterson.

-PJ

48 posted on 07/02/2005 6:55:57 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

"I think you're right about the skin folds on the face. Grooming can be changed over time, just ask Scott Peterson."

My point here re the grooming was that he was well groomed as a college student versus his Jihadist buddies and that has continued to today.

Our lunch guests yesterday were assigned to our Iranian Embassy in the early 1960's. We discussed this situation and the grooming. They said his hair style and clothing was rare for the Arabs in Iran, except those who came from wealthy families. His grooming was very normal for the educated and middle to upper income Persians living in Iran.

This couple predicted the Jihadist takeover in Iran in the mid 1960's. That was based on their observation of the Muslim families raising their young boys to hate everyone but other believers. I showed them the collage hoping that they might recognize someone, and they didn't. However, they both agree that his hair style and dress style as noted above was very atypical of the Arabic men in Iran.

The grooming choices and the skin folds as you noted above indicate that we are talking about the same guy in these pictures.


49 posted on 07/03/2005 7:46:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: ASA Vet
Below are pictures of cousins to the new ruler of Iran.

Please notice the continuity of resemblance in the photos below:


50 posted on 07/03/2005 1:45:55 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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