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French Woman Ordains Herself a Priest
ABC News & Associated Press ^ | July 2, 2005 | Alice Geraud

Posted on 07/02/2005 5:36:26 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

French Woman to Ordain Herself a Catholic Priest, Facing Automatic Excommunication

The Associated Press

LYON, France Jul 2, 2005 — A French woman defied a threat of excommunication by the Roman Catholic Church and held a ceremony proclaiming herself a priest on Saturday.

In a small ceremony on a boat, Genevieve Beney was joined by other women from around the world who have taken similar dramatic action to draw attention to the church's policy against women priests.

"This is not a rupture with the Roman Catholic Church," Beney said in a statement read aloud before she boarded the boat.. The Vatican has not commented on the case but has made clear it sees no room for debate about opening up the priesthood to women. The Church says Jesus chose men to be his apostles and that the practice of ordaining only men must stand.

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There once was a woman whose mania Was liturgical extemporanea. She thought she'd at least Be a self-proclaimed priest: And I am the Queen of Romania.
1 posted on 07/02/2005 5:36:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: don-o; conservonator; livius; Campion; thoughtomator; netmilsmom; Tax-chick; camle; ...
There once was a woman whose mania
Was liturgical extemporanea.
She thought she'd at least
Be a self-declared priest:
And I am the Queen of Romania.
2 posted on 07/02/2005 5:39:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I am the Pope! The Pope, I tell you! And unless I am mistaken, I'm infallible!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ya dun said it all~


3 posted on 07/02/2005 5:44:21 PM PDT by A.B.Normal (Craziness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, ask a Liberal.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes it IS a break with the Roman Catholic Church, Fatheress, or Fatherette, or whatever you call yourself, you wacko! Get ready for a ZOT from Rome, hehehe;)


4 posted on 07/02/2005 5:45:08 PM PDT by Frank_2001 (Dateline:FRANCE. Why am I not surprised?;))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

PING


5 posted on 07/02/2005 5:46:15 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: AnimalLover

If she wants to be a priest that badly, can't she just join the Unitarians or the UCC?


6 posted on 07/02/2005 5:54:06 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
French Catholic woman illicitly ordained

Women in bid to become ordained

7 posted on 07/02/2005 5:55:41 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Fast Forward to a month from now......allaged french female priest marries gays.

She's a Heretic, and now no longer belongs to the Universal Church.


8 posted on 07/02/2005 5:55:49 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And where in the Bible does it say this is ok????

Not......


9 posted on 07/02/2005 5:56:34 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

French Genevieve Beney, 56, is flanked by German Gisela Forste, left, and Austrian Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger, right, as they stand on a riverboat in Lyon, central France, Saturday July 2, 2005, before her ordination ceremony. Beney was due to be proclaimed a priest in a small ceremony on board the boat, with automatic excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church to follow. Beney is part of a small group of women taking dramatic action to draw attention to the church's policy against women priests. (AP Photo/Patrick Gardin)
10 posted on 07/02/2005 5:57:42 PM PDT by Libloather (I trust Hillary as far as I can throw her...)
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To: Libloather

Arrrtggghhhhhh......

My Eyes... My Eyes......

Wuud-juh have to go and do that for.....

lol

I sentence you to reading 10 minutes of ted kennedy Speeches... That'll teach ya.


11 posted on 07/02/2005 6:03:02 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

There are no self ordained offices in the true church. The fact that she has ordained herself means that she is not a member of the true church or a priest.


12 posted on 07/02/2005 6:05:06 PM PDT by kublia khan (total war brings absolute victory)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Also posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1435434/posts

But your limerick is priceless!


13 posted on 07/02/2005 6:06:24 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: Libloather

Why is it always the (a-hem...) less desirable women, IMHO, who seem to always be pulling these things off? Yes I know, we shouldn't judge people by how they look, but I can't think of a single female pastor or so-called priest or liber pundit for that matter (unless you are into Susan Estrogen) that I would classify as physically attractive.


14 posted on 07/02/2005 6:12:55 PM PDT by bethelgrad (for God, country, the Marine Corps, and now the Navy Chaplain Corps OOH RAH!)
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To: bethelgrad

You think Susan Estrogen is attractive?


15 posted on 07/02/2005 6:15:29 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: bethelgrad

Well, you have that ex porn start running reruns for her dead husbands church in California.

pastor karen or something like that. Not sure of the name. read it in another thread.


16 posted on 07/02/2005 6:18:46 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: bethelgrad
Why is it always the (a-hem...) less desirable women, IMHO, who seem to always be pulling these things off?

Next, they'll wanna drive. HA! Not in my lifetime...

17 posted on 07/02/2005 6:19:04 PM PDT by Libloather (I trust Hillary as far as I can throw her...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
(Long, deep, resigned sigh)

If this chick don't like the way things are done in the Catholic church, wants to protest, why won't she do as Henry VIII did, go and form her own church and leave ours alone? She is not validly ordained, nothing she does will have any power to bind and loose in heaven.

18 posted on 07/02/2005 6:28:09 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: bethelgrad; Libloather
"When women cease to attract men they often turn to Reform as a second choice."

- D.W. Griffeth, Intolerance

(that said, I don't see it having EVER happened with those three. Ick! It's not so much their features as their sour, unhappy expressions. Who would ever want to wake up next to THAT?)

19 posted on 07/02/2005 6:28:53 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

bump with no comment


20 posted on 07/02/2005 6:32:08 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Libloather

What I have always found interesting is that God wants these women to be priests,but He never told them to tell minority women about the racism of abortion.....Sooooooo,does that mean feminists are admitting to us that God loves only white people or could it mean THESE BROADS ARE RACIST BIGOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


21 posted on 07/02/2005 6:34:03 PM PDT by fishbabe
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To: fishbabe

Bingo......


22 posted on 07/02/2005 6:36:18 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Funny:)


23 posted on 07/02/2005 7:06:25 PM PDT by fatima (Make a move and the Bunny gets it.-Guess what movie)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Devil told Eva to eat the fruit, he is still at it.


24 posted on 07/02/2005 7:21:47 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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Well I trump her! I declared myself the rightful Queen of England so there!


25 posted on 07/02/2005 7:27:36 PM PDT by Aleighanne
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To: Libloather

They ALL look like femi-nazis. Just observing...maybe I shouldn't.


26 posted on 07/02/2005 7:31:08 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Aleighanne
Well I trump her! I declared myself the rightful Queen of England so there!

Doesn't count. Picture is required. Sorry...

27 posted on 07/02/2005 8:16:17 PM PDT by Libloather (I trust Hillary as far as I can throw her...)
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To: Libloather
..<=="COMFORTABLE SHOES ALERT !!!"
28 posted on 07/02/2005 8:22:10 PM PDT by Khurkris (Sunshine on my shoulder...sweat on my...uhh...brow..yeah...thats the ticket.)
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To: Aleighanne

Yeah, well, I hereby proclaim myself "King of the World". Heh!


29 posted on 07/02/2005 8:33:43 PM PDT by Surtur (Wal-mart...walnuts, Oprah...Uma, coincidence, I think not.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
a threat of excommunication by the Roman Catholic Church

That and fifty cents will buy her a cup of coffee half a euro will buy her a croissant.

30 posted on 07/02/2005 8:40:00 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.1)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Not news. Jesse Jackson ordained himself a minister a long time ago.


31 posted on 07/02/2005 8:48:04 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Dang, that's good, Mrs DO! I love it!


32 posted on 07/03/2005 3:52:58 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS
Pope John Paul II
Apostolic Letter On Reserving Priestly Ordination To Men Alone

1. Priestly Ordination, which hands on the office entrusted by Christ to his Apostles of teaching, sanctifying, and governing the faithful, has in the Catholic Church from the beginning always been reserved to men alone. This tradition has also been faithfully maintained by the Oriental Churches.

When the question of the ordination of women arose in the Anglican Communion, Pope Paul VI, out of fidelity to his office of safeguarding the Apostolic Tradition, and also with a view to removing a new obstacle placed in the way of Christian unity, reminded Anglicans of the position of the Catholic Church: "She holds that it is not admissible to ordain women to the priesthood, for very fundamental reasons. These reasons include: the example recorded in the Sacred Scriptures of Christ choosing his Apostles only from among men; the constant practice of the Church, which has imitated Christ in choosing only men; and her living teaching authority which has consistently held that the exclusion of women from the priesthood is in accordance with God's plan for his Church."[1]

But since the question had also become the subject of debate among theologians and in certain Catholic circles, Paul VI directed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to set forth and expound the teaching of the Church on this matter. This was done through the Declaration <Inter Insigniores>, which the Supreme Pontiff approved and ordered to be published.[2]

2. The Declaration recalls and explains the fundamental reasons for this teaching, reasons expounded by Paul VI, and concludes that the Church "does not consider herself authorized to admit women to priestly ordination."[3] To these fundamental reasons the document adds other theological reasons which illustrate the appropriateness of the divine provision, and it also shows clearly that Christ's way of acting did not proceed from sociological or cultural motives peculiar to his time. As Paul VI later explained: "The real reason is that, in giving the Church her fundamental constitution, her theological anthropology—thereafter always followed by the Church's Tradition—Christ established things in this way."[4]

In the Apostolic Letter <Mulieris Dignitatem>, I myself wrote in this regard: "In calling only men as his Apostles, Christ acted in a completely free and sovereign manner. In doing so, he exercised the same freedom with which, in all his behaviour, he emphasized the dignity and the vocation of women, without conforming to the prevailing customs and to the traditions sanctioned by the legislation of the time."[5]

In fact, the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles attest that this call was made in accordance with God's eternal plan: Christ chose those whom he willed (cf. <Mk> 3:13-14; <Jn> 6:70), and he did so in union with the Father, "through the Holy Spirit" (<Acts> 1:2), after having spent the night in prayer (cf. <Lk> 6:12). Therefore, in granting admission to the ministerial priesthood,[6] the Church has always acknowledged as a perennial norm her Lord's way of acting in choosing twelve men whom he made the foundation of his Church (cf. <Rev> 21:14). These men did not in fact receive only a function which could thereafter be exercised by any member of the Church; rather they were specifically and intimately associated in the mission of the Incarnate Word himself (cf. <Mt> 10:1, 7-8; 28:16-20; <Mk> 3:13- 16; 16:14-15). The Apostles did the same when they chose fellow workers[7] who would succeed them in their ministry.[8] Also included in this choice were those who, throughout the time of the Church, would carry on the Apostles' mission of representing Christ the Lord and Redeemer.[9]

3. Furthermore, the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and Mother of the Church, received neither the mission proper to the Apostles nor the ministerial priesthood clearly shows that the non-admission of women to priestly ordination cannot mean that women are of lesser dignity, nor can it be construed as discrimination against them. Rather, it is to be seen as the faithful observance of a plan to be ascribed to the wisdom of the Lord of the universe.

The presence and the role of women in the life and mission of the Church, although not linked to the ministerial priesthood, remain absolutely necessary and irreplaceable. As the Declaration <Inter Insigniores> points out, "the Church desires that Christian women should become fully aware of the greatness of their mission; today their role is of capital importance both for the renewal and humanization of society and for the rediscovery by believers of the true face of the Church".[10]

The New Testament and the whole history of the Church give ample evidence of the presence in the Church of women, true disciples, witnesses to Christ in the family and in society, as well as to total consecration to the service of God and of the Gospel. "By defending the dignity of women and their vocation, the Church has shown honour and gratitude for those women who—faithful to the Gospel—have shared in every age in the apostolic mission of the whole People of God. They are the holy martyrs, virgins, and the mothers of families, who bravely bore witness to their faith and passed on the Church's faith and tradition by bringing up their children in the spirit of the Gospel".[11]

Moreover, it is to the holiness of the faithful that the hierarchical structure of the Church is totally ordered. For this reason, the Declaration <Inter Insigniores> recalls: "the only better gift, which can and must be desired, is love (cf. <1 Cor> 12 and 13). The greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven are not the ministers but the saints".[12]

4. Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church's judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. <Lk> 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.

Invoking an abundance of divine assistance upon you, venerable Brothers, and upon all the faithful, I impart my Apostolic Blessing.

From the Vatican, on 22 May, the Solemnity of Pentecost, in the year 1994, the sixteenth of my Pontificate.

NOTES

1. Paul VI, <Response to the Letter of His Grace the Most Reverend Dr. F. D. Coggan, Archbishop of Canterbury, concerning the Ordination of Women to the Priesthood> (30 November 1975): <AAS> 68 (1976), 599.

2. Cf. Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Declaration <Inter Insigniores> on the Question of the Admission of Women to the Ministerial Priesthood (15 October 1976): <AAS> 69 (1977), 98-116.

3. <Ibid.>, 100.

4. Paul VI, <Address on the Role of Women in the Plan of Salvation (30 January 1977): <Insegnamenti>, XV (1977), 111. Cf. also John Paul II, Apostolic Exhortation <Christifideles Laici> (30 December 1988), 31: <AAS> 81 (1989), 393-521; <Catechism of the Catholic Church>, No. 1577.

5. Apostolic Letter <Mulieris Dignitatem> (15 August 1988), 26; <AAS> 80 (1988), 1715.

6. Cf. Dogmatic Constitution <Lumen Gentium>, 28; Decree <Presbyterorum Ordinis>, 2b.

7 Cf. <1 Tim> 3:1-13; <2 Tim> 1:6; <Tit> 1:5-9.

8 Cf. <Catechism of the Catholic Church>, No. 1577.

9 Cf. Dogmatic Constitution on the Church <Lumen Gentium>, 20, 21.

10 Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Declaration <Inter Insigniores>, 6: <AAS> 69 (1977), 115-116.

11 Apostolic Letter <Mulieris Dignitatem>, 27: <AAS> 80 (1988), 1719.

12 Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Declaration <Inter Insigniores>, 6: <AAS> 69 (1977), 115.


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33 posted on 07/03/2005 5:15:19 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: AnAmericanMother
Who would ever want to wake up next to THAT?

I don't think many people try to join the Catholic clergy so they can get laid.

Some very rude jokes occur to me, but I'm brushing them aside.

34 posted on 07/03/2005 5:20:26 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And I'm the king of the world!


35 posted on 07/03/2005 7:38:32 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: sandyeggo
(Independent Catholic Priest)

An oxymoron if ever there was one.

38 posted on 07/03/2005 8:40:59 AM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: ReignOfError
You got it backwards.

That's WHY they want to join the Catholic clergy -- because they CAN'T get any!

40 posted on 07/03/2005 2:44:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: sandyeggo
"Intuitive" is a word used when they don't feel free to say "psychic" or "does psychic readings" etc.

Finn, Siobhan's son

42 posted on 07/04/2005 3:01:38 AM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; All
She "ordained herself"? Ooookay...

Well, listen up, folks-- I hereby ordain myself Queen of the World and Empress of the Milky Way! From henceforth, you may address me as your Imperial Majesty.

43 posted on 07/05/2005 10:22:15 AM PDT by GipperGal
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To: GipperGal
Dr. Hibbert: Yes, I remember Bart's birth well. You don't forget a thing like... [dramatic] Siamese twins!

Lisa: I believe they prefer to be called "conjoined twins".

Hibbert: And Hillbillies prefer to be called "sons of the soil". But it ain't gonna happen.

-- "Treehouse of Horror VII"

44 posted on 07/05/2005 10:41:13 AM PDT by Lonely NY Conservative
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To: GipperGal

Well, your Imperial Majesty, I ordain myself Emperor. Now that is done, I'll be in the royal suite tonight at 8pm in expectation of my due.......

What you mean it's not that easy? Darn, my wife says the same thing. /wry grin


45 posted on 07/05/2005 10:47:31 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: Lonely NY Conservative

Perfect analogy! Thank you!


46 posted on 07/05/2005 11:08:01 AM PDT by GipperGal
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Well, your Imperial Majesty, I ordain myself Emperor. Now that is done, I'll be in the royal suite tonight at 8pm in expectation of my due.......

That's exactly what Peter III said to Catherine, and you know what happened to him...

So behave yourself. ;P

47 posted on 07/05/2005 11:16:47 AM PDT by GipperGal
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To: Mrs. Don-o

There was a woman from France,
Who took an unusual stance.
She said "I'm a priest",
I think men are beasts.
From now on I wear only pants.


48 posted on 07/05/2005 11:52:59 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Tokra

There once was a woman from Paris,
Who called herself "Father the Fairest"
But though it seems quizzical,
She (alas) failed the physical
And now she's a little embarrassed.


49 posted on 07/05/2005 12:07:15 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Credo --- in Unam, Sanctam, Catholicam et Apostolicam Ecclesiam)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

There was a young lady from Lyon,
Canon law, she just wasn't buyin'
To the world she proclaimed,
"I've just self-ordained"
Til the Pope said "This just ain't flyin'".


50 posted on 07/05/2005 12:07:54 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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