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Democrats Warn of Possible Court Fight
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 7/3/05 | PETE YOST

Posted on 07/03/2005 8:12:58 PM PDT by Brilliant

WASHINGTON - Senate Judiciary Committee members crystalized the debate over Justice Sandra Day O'Connor's replacement on Sunday, making clear that a hard-line conservative would trigger a furious battle on Capitol Hill that could touch off a Democratic filibuster.

The division emerged amid a conservative lobbying campaign against one possible pick, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, a longtime Texas friend of President Bush who is considered too moderate by right-wing Republicans.

"I don't think the social conservatives ought to prejudge Attorney General Gonzales. Attorney General Gonzales may not even be in the picture," Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said on ABC's "This Week."

Specter said he thinks Bush will consider "the gender factor" in making a selection, and the fact that O'Connor was a pivotal swing vote.

However, it is unclear what the president will consider.

Bush has said in the past that conservative Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas are the kind of people he admires on the Supreme Court.

Bush was at Camp David mulling over his options, while Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of New York was urging a summit between senators from both parties and the president.

Asked whether he would support a filibuster if a hard-liner is chosen, the judiciary committee's ranking Democrat, Sen. Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record), said, "I would hope that we don't reach that point."

"That's why we're going to meet with the president in about a week, going to urge that he put somebody who would unite the country, not divide the country," said Leahy of Vermont.

"I have no intention of filibustering, but it depends on who the president sends," said Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware.

On ABC, Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., jumped in to answer a question intended for Specter, prompting Specter to joke, "I heard the filibuster starting a little early."

With Republicans holding power in the White House and Congress, conservatives see the Supreme Court as the final obstacle to control of all branches of the federal government.

Liberals say that given O'Connor's swing position on the court, Bush must choose a consensus conservative — a move that would risk alienating the president's far-right base but would avoid a political war.

Schumer provided this description of his proposed summit aimed at avoiding a bruising battle that interest groups on left and right are girding for: "We roll up our sleeves, let down our tie and discuss things all day long. Would that help? Who knows." He added, "It can't hurt."

Republicans are looking for less consultation, not more.

"It's not our job to determine who ought to be picked," said Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who is not on the judiciary committee.

Republicans urged Democrats to accept the idea that Democratic nominees historically had been given ample leeway, and that Republican nominees should be given the same consideration.

"Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a general counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, yet she was overwhelmingly confirmed," said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas. "She wasn't asked about her earlier writings on whether laws banning prostitution were unconstitutional."

Still a powerful memory for the Senate is the 18-year-old fight that ended in defeat for Republican Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork, who was seen as too extreme in his conservative views.

"I wish we could drop these political terms for the court because the court is all too political now," Bork said.

Leahy appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press," Schumer and Cornyn on ABC's "This Week," Biden on CBS's "Face the Nation," McConnell on Fox News Sunday and Bork on CNN's "Late Edition."


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; bringiton; bush; justice; obstructionistdems; oconnor; scotus; supremecourt; turass
If the Dems filibuster this nominee, then the GOP should not only abolish the filibuster as to judicial nominees, but should go back and revist the two judicial nominees that did not get in because of the McCain Muntiny.
1 posted on 07/03/2005 8:12:59 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
"Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a general counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, yet she was overwhelmingly confirmed," said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas. "She wasn't asked about her earlier writings on whether laws banning prostitution were unconstitutional."
2 posted on 07/03/2005 8:15:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Brilliant

Rats are always "warning" Bush. The smaller their numbers get, the more they "warn."


3 posted on 07/03/2005 8:18:56 PM PDT by speedy
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To: Brilliant

I fear President Bush is going to sell us down the river with someone who is not the best suited to defend our Constitution.


4 posted on 07/03/2005 8:21:11 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Brilliant
Possible court fight?!?!

As in, it's possible the sun might rise from the east? Yea, it's possible.
5 posted on 07/03/2005 8:23:06 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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To: speedy

I was with some pretty liberal relatives tonight. They're trying to distance themselves from Moveon and the Democratic underground types.


6 posted on 07/03/2005 8:24:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: Brilliant

The right wing moral equivalent of the left wing's Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader-Ginsburg (Mrs. ACLU), would be the Grand Cyclops of the KKK. The Democrats should have no problem with any person President Bush nominates, since he/she would not be that extreme.


7 posted on 07/03/2005 8:24:36 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Brilliant
Hey Democrats (aka the party of "no")... I'm not scared of your ilk.

You bunch of pansy a$$ sissies.

Trajan88

8 posted on 07/03/2005 8:26:52 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: speedy
It OUTRAGES me that the DemocRATS keep warning, dictating, and and chastising this President. How dare they! Whatever happened to the majorities rights. I like what Mark Levin said the other day ''Frankly nobody cares what Harry Reid thinks!''
9 posted on 07/03/2005 8:28:07 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: cripplecreek

Good to hear, cc. Get togethers with liberal relatives can be tense -- yours sound like they have some hope.


10 posted on 07/03/2005 8:28:18 PM PDT by speedy
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To: All

I think I speak for everyone here when I said BRING IT ON!!! Conservatives have never run from a fight.


11 posted on 07/03/2005 8:29:41 PM PDT by CaliGangsta
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To: Brilliant
If anyone says anything about O'Connor's "position" on the court and that Bush should replace her with someone who is like-minded who could serve as a swing-vote, I have just the person in mind: Anthony Kennedy.

Yup, he's already there. And, in fact, he's already the swing vote. He's been the swing as often as O'Connor. And if you put a conservative on the bench, I'd bet dollars to donuts that he'll shift further to the left.

So there you have it: Renhquish, Scalia, Thomas and Newguy on the right, the four wackos on the left and Kennedy in the middle. The court keeps its balance.

TS

12 posted on 07/03/2005 8:30:05 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Brilliant
If the Dems filibuster this nominee, then the GOP should not only abolish the filibuster as to judicial nominees, but should go back and revist the two judicial nominees that did not get in because of the McCain Muntiny.

Summary of Circuit Court Nominations

F = 7 subjected to failed cloture motions in 108th Congress
4 = "1 of 4" that DEMs offered to let GOP choose which 3 to dump
S = Positive mention in Specter's May 9, 2005 speech

M = MOU of 14 will not vote against cloture
m = MOU of 14 makes no promise regarding cloture
R = Post-MOU, Reid indicates desire to filibuster

C = Out of committee & on the Senate's Executive Calendar
U = Unanimous consent to debate - date TBD
D = Democrats offer to debate - date TBD
v = Debate and vote scheduled
V = Vote -on the nomination- concluded

       --S  --  C--  Boyle, Terrence W.       (4th Cir)
       ---  -R  ---  Haynes, William James II (4th Cir)
       F4S  M-  CUV  Owen, Priscilla          (5th Cir)
       F-S  --  CUV  Griffin, Richard A.      (6th Cir)
       F-S  --  CUV  McKeague, David W.       (6th Cir)
       --S  --  -D-  Neilson, Susan Bieke     (6th Cir)
       F--  mR  ---  Saad, Henry W.           (6th Cir)
       F4S  mR  C--  Myers, William Gerry III (9th Cir)
       F4S  M-  CUV  Pryor, William H.        (11th Cir)
       F4S  M-  CUV  Brown, Janice Rogers     (D.C. Cir)
       --S  --  CUV  Griffith, Thomas B.      (D.C. Cir)
       ---  -R  ---  Kavanaugh, Brett M.      (D.C. Cir)
Last updated, June 21, 2005

Owen: Cloture passed 81-18 on May 24. Confirmed 55-43 on May 25.
Brown: Cloture passed 65-32 on June 7. Confirmed 56-43 on June 8.
Pryor: Cloture passed 67-32 on June 8. Confirmed 53-45 on June 9.
Griffin: Confirmed 95-0 on June 9.
McKeague: Confirmed 96-0 on June 9.
Griffith: Confirmed 73-24 on June 14.
Myers: Out of Committee on March 17.
Boyle: Out of Committee on June 16.

Additional source material


13 posted on 07/03/2005 8:31:56 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Bush gal in LA

I wish our side would talk like that more often. Rat politicians say the most vile things about Pubby officials, but I never hear GOP pols firing back in kind. Sure, maybe opinion-molders like Levin and Coulter and Rush do. I will never understand what our side is afraid of. Why does no one ever take the obvious shots at people like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd? If we went after guys like that, it would only help the Republicans and certainly raise our morale.


14 posted on 07/03/2005 8:32:04 PM PDT by speedy
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To: Brilliant
Democrats Warn of Possible Court Fight

Bring it on. It's time to hammer these Democrat scum and their waffling "moderate" Republican allies!

15 posted on 07/03/2005 8:33:44 PM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: Brilliant

"making clear that a hard-line conservative would trigger a furious battle on Capitol Hill that could touch off a Democratic filibuster."

That is what is to be expected for caving in to the Dems the first time. Now anytime they think that the President will make any headway they will jump up and down screaming "Filibuster". It's time to just put an end to this BS. Republicans who do not fall in line need to be booted from the coveted committees and the first time that the Dems even stutter on the floor of the Senate, the nuclear option needs to be excercised.


16 posted on 07/03/2005 8:34:56 PM PDT by ArmedNReady (Islam, the Cancer on Humanity.)
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To: cripplecreek

Only way to do that is to join the GOP.


17 posted on 07/03/2005 8:45:41 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: CaliGangsta
I think I speak for everyone here when I said BRING IT ON!!! Conservatives have never run from a fight.

Well, here was Bork, for one.

18 posted on 07/03/2005 8:51:54 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Not a chance.

He will pick a solid conservative. I am sure of it. He is not Bush 41.


19 posted on 07/03/2005 9:08:06 PM PDT by Phoneman
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To: speedy
I've often pondered that question myself. Why our side doesn't fight back, or get down and dirty like they do with the name calling etc. The only thing I have been able to come up with is our side does have integrity, they deep down are ''nice guys'' and just aren't used to that vile kind of stuff. While the RATS are eager to paint us as RACISTS, and MEAN,ETC. Our side justs takes it on the chin ,most of the time.The only time I can remember anyone taking on that evil Ted Kennedy was during the 2004 election at the Republican convention.Zell Miller really let loose on him and Kerry, almost calling them traitors. IT WAS GREAT! I WAS CHEERING!.........Oh ,sorry I forgot........Zell's a Democrat!
20 posted on 07/03/2005 9:19:16 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Brilliant

"Senate Judiciary Committee members crystalized the debate over Justice Sandra Day O'Connor's replacement on Sunday, making clear that a hard-line conservative would trigger a furious battle on Capitol Hill that could touch off a Democratic filibuster."

Anybody to the right of Stalin is too conservative for dems.


21 posted on 07/03/2005 9:20:25 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: Brilliant
Specter said he thinks Bush will consider "the gender factor" in making a selection, and the fact that O'Connor was a pivotal swing vote.

This is the heart of the problem, right now the pivot is too far to the left.

22 posted on 07/03/2005 9:28:08 PM PDT by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....get over it.)
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To: Bush gal in LA

You're right, BG. I really do think that most of the pols on the GOP side believe in the concept of fair play and reasonable discussion, even if the other side does not. But they seem to be continually surprised and befuddled by Rat attacks. I really do think they are a little afraid of bullies like Kennedy and Leahy.


23 posted on 07/03/2005 9:28:45 PM PDT by speedy
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

That's precisely what he'll do if he chooses Gonzales. Bush had said some time ago that he would hold Scalia and Thomas as examples of the sort of judicial temperament he admires and would choose. If he doesn't follow his own expressed preference and nominates someone "moderate" (read liberal), it will be a great betrayal of conservatism.


24 posted on 07/03/2005 9:33:54 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I fear President Bush is going to sell us down the river with someone who is not the best suited to defend our Constitution.

Bush is not the problem. The spineless, gutless, ball-less, clueless "Republican" "majority" is the problem. Heck, they'd probably reject Arlen Specter as "too conservative."

25 posted on 07/03/2005 9:44:17 PM PDT by GoBucks2002 (What can Dick Durbin learn from Kurt Cobain? http://yankeered.blog.com)
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To: Trajan88
Too bad you aren't in the Senate!

Do you have a spare spine you can send the Senate Republicans?

26 posted on 07/03/2005 9:45:18 PM PDT by GoBucks2002 (What can Dick Durbin learn from Kurt Cobain? http://yankeered.blog.com)
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To: Bush gal in LA
I like what Mark Levin said the other day ''Frankly nobody cares what Harry Reid thinks!''

Let's see, 45 DemocRAT Senators do, plus the Seven Sellouts who dare to call themselves Republicans. Plus the other Senator from Ohio seems willing to do Dingy Harry's bidding lately.

By my count, that's a majority of the U.S. Senate.

27 posted on 07/03/2005 9:47:10 PM PDT by GoBucks2002 (What can Dick Durbin learn from Kurt Cobain? http://yankeered.blog.com)
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To: Brilliant
If the Dems filibuster this nominee, then the GOP should...

If Dems filibuster this nominee, the GOP will go home for the summer. They'll run around to every grassroots Republican group and talk tough, but then eventually they will go back to Capitol Hill, and bend over and take it up the chute from the Democrats.

28 posted on 07/03/2005 9:48:48 PM PDT by GoBucks2002 (What can Dick Durbin learn from Kurt Cobain? http://yankeered.blog.com)
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To: speedy
Ha , I was just thinking of our two leaders of the Senate recently. What a difference BETWEEN THE TWO. One Frist, an MD, cultered, soft spoken ,refined, real Southern gentlemen if there ever was one! And then you've got that, evil, vicious, Harry Reid who recently called our president a cheater and a liar and a loser and refuses to apologize! GGrrrr
29 posted on 07/03/2005 9:55:09 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Bush gal in LA

The one positive thing, BG, is that more and more of the public is noticing this. It's been a long haul, but slowly we are turning this aircraft carrier around. I think it will get to the point, if it isn't there already, that no decent, intelligent person will call themselves a Democrat.


30 posted on 07/03/2005 10:04:19 PM PDT by speedy
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To: GarySpFc

The KKK were Democrats!


31 posted on 07/03/2005 10:05:03 PM PDT by dangus
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To: GoBucks2002
I'm old enough; however, I think the deliberative body would be too scared to have among them someone with my rap sheet: 39 years old, American of Italian heritage, dyed-in-the-wool Republican, Roman Catholic, damn Yankee that makes Texas home, a Texas A&M Aggie Former Student that bleeds maroon, NY Yankee fan (I wear #23 for the Plano, TX Yankees), Washington Redskin fan/Dullus Cowgirlz hater (but I love all their cheerleaders - I'm no dummy), Jack Daniel's/Budweiser drinker, etc.

Who'll vote for me?

Trajan88; TAMU Class of '88; Law Hall (may it R.I.P.) Ramp 9 Mule, f.u.p.!

32 posted on 07/03/2005 10:14:48 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Brilliant
I really hope the President and the rest of Republicans refuse to cave in and allow the Demorats to pick the next justice. I would rather the President have a list of 20 with the highest 5 at the end of the list and the most conservatives at the beginning. Start sending them in and after seeing the first demorat objection send the next ultra conservative in, After the first ones are objected to have the republicans call a conference and show the country that the Dems are just a bunch of obstructionist.
33 posted on 07/03/2005 10:26:24 PM PDT by wattsup ("It's best to stay silent and be thought of as a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.." ..Abe L.)
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To: cripplecreek
I was with some pretty liberal relatives tonight. They're trying to distance themselves from Moveon and the Democratic underground types.



My in-laws fit into the liberal template, totally blind folded. I have no hope they are distancing themselves from howeird dean, the "hick-up Chappaquiddick swimmer" and all the other rats!!!
34 posted on 07/03/2005 10:59:19 PM PDT by danamco
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To: speedy
Why does no one ever take the obvious shots at people like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd? If we went after guys like that, it would only help the Republicans and certainly raise our morale.



No it would NOT!
There is too much class in the GOP to stoop that low as to the same level as the rats!!
Just look at the difference in language that you get in letters from GOP and what you get from the rats. From the rats it's like you get a letter from a middle school dropout compared to GOP's college degree!!!
35 posted on 07/03/2005 11:09:05 PM PDT by danamco
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To: T.L.Sink

Moderate? We don't got to show you no moderates. We don't need no stinking moderates. Gonzales is a stinking moderate


36 posted on 07/04/2005 12:07:11 AM PDT by hdstmf
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