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Alexander the Great(Hamilton)
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 4, 2005 | RICHARD BROOKHISER

Posted on 07/04/2005 7:29:25 AM PDT by kellynla

When I was a boy my family had a Time-Life book on the mind which featured a chart of the presumed IQs of famous dead men. Goethe, as I recall, led the pack, at 210. But the Founding Fathers did very well: Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington all scored over 150. As the Fourth of July approaches, we'd do well to remember that the Founders were a smart lot, with few gentleman's C's among them. Yet they didn't know everything. They were strongest in law, political philosophy and history--all essential subjects for revolutionaries and statesmen. But another subject, equally vital to the success and happiness of countries, lay beyond the ken of most of them: economics.

In part, this lack was a function of their backgrounds. Most of the Founders were lawyers or planters. A few were merchants. Not one was a manufacturer; there was almost no manufacturing in the infant United States. In part, their ignorance had to do with the newness of the discipline. Modern economics was just beginning, in France and Scotland. Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" came out in 1776. The Founders knew of Smith and his peers--David Hume, James Steuart, Jacques Necker--but not intimately. Smith was probably better known as a psychologist; John Adams plagiarized his "Theory of Moral Sentiments."

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"Hamilton's system was one of the founding's great achievements, along with the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Continental Army. Parts of it fell by the wayside. The Bank of the United States' charter was not renewed in 1811. Protectionists matched, and greatly exceeded, Hamilton's modest plans. But the right man had been in the right job at the right time. Enough of Hamilton's peers acquiesced in his handiwork so that the country got off on the right foot."

Happy Birthday, America! Semper Fi, Kelly

1 posted on 07/04/2005 7:29:25 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

I tell you what, I think Franklin HAD to have over a 200 IQ. He was self taught in all of his scientific disclipines. That shows more intelligence than they at Time will give him credit for.


2 posted on 07/04/2005 7:31:38 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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To: kellynla

Not only did we get off on the right foot, but much of what he originally wanted came to pass.

I don't like everything Hamilton advocated, but George Washington trusted him and hardly ever went against his advice. The General knew quality when he saw it.

Hamilton for me was always the American success story. An impoverished bastard immigrant who never even knew his own birth date rose to become one of the leading men of his day or any other. Marvelous.

Happy 4th!


3 posted on 07/04/2005 7:32:41 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kellynla

Not one was a manufacturer? Didn't Franklin build stoves at one time? And I think their was some type of mill (indigo?) on Washington's property.


4 posted on 07/04/2005 7:32:53 AM PDT by Meldrim
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To: Meldrim

"Not one was a manufacturer? Didn't Franklin build stoves at one time? And I think their was some type of mill (indigo?) on Washington's property."


I don't know for sure but I'll take your word for it. LOL
But if you find out, let us know.

Happy Birthday!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


5 posted on 07/04/2005 7:41:05 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: MikeinIraq

"I tell you what, I think Franklin HAD to have over a 200 IQ. He was self taught in all of his scientific disclipines. That shows more intelligence than they at Time will give him credit for."

I don't know what his I.Q. was but we were certainly blessed to have him and the other founders!


6 posted on 07/04/2005 7:42:45 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: highball

And a Happy Birthday to you!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


7 posted on 07/04/2005 7:43:45 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

yes we were....


8 posted on 07/04/2005 7:47:38 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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To: kellynla

Al Gore placed fairly well, coming in at a speculative IQ of nearly 80, on about the same level as Thomas Jefferson's housecat. John Kerry was slightly lower, roughly a 76, or equivalent to a climbing philodendron. And Ted Kennedy's IQ was not measurable; he got drunk and threw up on the test, then passed out in his own vomit.


9 posted on 07/04/2005 8:06:28 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: kellynla
As a kid, I was subjected to the (then current) public school "Hamilton=bad, Jefferson=good" cheerleading. Over the past 35 years, I've come to appreciate the flawed - but unusually farsighted - Hamilton more than I do Jefferson.

And Washington above them both.

10 posted on 07/04/2005 8:11:42 AM PDT by niteowl77 (I DEMAND that Chuck Schumer explain his hair.)
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To: edskid

glad to hear that you overcame a public school education. LOL

Happy Birthday!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


11 posted on 07/04/2005 8:23:26 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

The History channel has the Hamilton - Burr story on now.


12 posted on 07/04/2005 11:12:24 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

thanks,
guess I'll have to catch it later

they had a some very interesting video of WWI Saturday.
I was looking to see if I could catch my father who was in France with Black Jack Pershing.


13 posted on 07/04/2005 11:19:25 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: edskid

Can't believe they even approached that suject. Try asking people from my generation what they think of the politics of the Federalists versus the Republicans in shaping the founding of our country.


14 posted on 07/04/2005 11:30:15 AM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: MikeinIraq

Thomas Jefferson must have been up there too.


15 posted on 07/04/2005 12:23:05 PM PDT by moog
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To: moog

I think he was too...


16 posted on 07/04/2005 1:25:47 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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To: MikeinIraq

As was George Washington. A lot of those early guys excelled in many areas.


17 posted on 07/04/2005 1:31:23 PM PDT by moog
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To: kellynla
Hamilton's system was one of the founding's great achievements...

Mr. Hamilton's proposal for a system of government for the United States:

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/debates/618.htm

was simply a reprise of the British system of government.

Case closed.

;>)

18 posted on 07/04/2005 1:38:46 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Hamilton once again picks up his poison pen..." - Duel: Hamilton vs. Burr)
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To: kellynla

BTTT


19 posted on 07/05/2005 11:28:50 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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21 posted on 12/11/2010 8:15:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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Thanks, SC. I don’t know how I missed this one 5 years ago, but I did. I think I’ll blame you for not pinging me back then...( ;-D


22 posted on 12/11/2010 9:01:28 AM PST by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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Historians find Hamilton something of a cipher. He didn't have the opportunity, as Adams and Jefferson did in their long retirements, to "spin, if not outright alter, the public record," noted Stephen Knott, author of "Alexander Hamilton and the Persistence of Myth."
Alexander Hamilton And the Persistence of Myth Alexander Hamilton
and the Persistence of Myth

by Stephen F. Knott

hardcover


23 posted on 12/11/2010 7:12:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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24 posted on 12/11/2010 7:14:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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