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To: Maceman
How many fewer than 1 billion Muslims would there be in the world if conversion from Islam were not punishable by death?
That was a long time ago. It's not that way any more. I don't think you question is relevant. There are a billion Hindus. It's all about birth rates, not ancient history.

I don't doubt that most Muslims are not angry, because I'm guessing that most Muslims don't care about religion any more than most Christians do these days.
Now, you are making sense.

But I think the proporation of "angry" Muslims is a lot higher among those who take the religion seriously.
This is an opinion brought to you by our MSM that have done AngryArabMuslim to death. If you were to judge our reactions to things, for example, by how many times the Rodney King beating was viewed, you would think that all poor, innocent victim-blacks are regularly beaten by racist pig cops. It's all a package, selling what the MSM wants YOU to know, think, learn, believe and get angry about.
I think there are WAY more angry, really angry liberals in this world than anything else.
The MSM truly believes that a feel-good story, "just the facts" and unbiased reporting just don't get the ratings that they want. They are probably correct. It AIN'T about truth, balance, fairness or choice. It's about money, ratings, money, agendas-when-possible, money.....and money.

Moreover, the Muslim world has allowed "the angry Muslims" to become the public face of Islam, just as the good Germans allowed Hitler to become the public face of Germany. All Muslims must take responsibility for that. The few statements of opposition by the Muslim world to the barbaric and wonton Muslim war on the west have been tepid, scarce and sparsely attended.
Please, try, just try not to bring Hitler into every conversation when your opinions run out of examples and steam. The MSM has made the AngryArabMuslim what he is today, not the average billion JoeMoSchmoe from Al-KobarKokomo.

If Islam has any redeeming qualities or benefits to bestow on humanity, they have yet to be made clear to me.
Islam is like any religion, a good one at heart, but corrupted by the people who are in it. I've heard Christians quote the Old Testament to justify bombing abortion clinics. If you read ugly things into their book and believe that every single Muslim on the planet lives and dies by those selected ugly words, then you are too programmed for any rational thinking. USE YOUR OWN COMMON SENSE.

And don't tell me it's because of the MSM only talking about "angry" Muslims. This is the same MSM that has virtually censored any pictures of 9-11 since a few months after that horrific event.
The MSM has SOAKED the world in AngryMuslimArab news for the past 20 years. It's been a bread-and-butter story for them for a generation. They have done the same thing with ANYTHING that will get ratings.

The MSM neglect the millions of Angry Africans who are killing each other to the tune of 3.8 million in the last ten years in the Congo countries. They ignore the civil wars, mostly, in Sudan and South America (the cocaine countries). Most people don't even know what's going on there. They aren't made to care by the MSM. They COULD be, but the MSM just isn't interested in Africa.

Yet, we have to know every sordid detail about ONE young, blonde, pretty, white, rich (OF COURSE! If she were old, poor, fat or ugly, she would NEVER make the news.) American woman in Aruba who got mixed up with assholes. Most Americans don't even know where Aruba is. The MSM did the Scott Peterson and O.J. Simposon trials to death! Who cares? Individual murders and deaths happen every day. WHY make Kobe Bryant's fiasco so huge. RIDICULOUS. That is your MSM. No one else did it but them.

The MSM make the news, chooses what to air, who to air, how much to air, how to package the information, when to air it, when to stop airing it, when to air it to death, who to comment on it, how much commentary there will be and when, the content and photos of that commentary, the background of said "news" and when to keep updating us on their agendized package.
They costume, make-up and prep their news readers, who are either young twitettes (male/female) or middle-aged males with deep voices, passable faces, hair and a serious faces.

Get a grip. The MSM is as contrived, packaged, planned, written, produced and edited by Hollywood pros as much as any and all the T.V. program or made-for-T.V. movie/documentaries.

My rants here wouldn't get a chance to "air" unless it were for the non-MSM medium of the Internet. Clear Mace from head and brain!

45 posted on 07/04/2005 11:28:12 AM PDT by starfish923
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To: starfish923; Maceman
I don't doubt that most Muslims are not angry, because I'm guessing that most Muslims don't care about religion any more than most Christians do these days. Now, you are making sense.

You both couldn't be more wrong. I have lived in Saudi Arabia, Indonesia (the largest Muslim country), and Iran for a total of nine years. Islam is a religion that demands much from its adherents. Praying five times a day, fasting for a month (Ramadan), journeying once in a lifetime to Mecca/Medina (the haj), etc. are followeed religiously (pun intended) by most Muslims. Their level of particpation is much higher. Each predominately Muslim country has an official government department dealing with the religion and its practice in the country. There is no such thing as separation of mosque and state.

Islam is a way of life replete with its own legal system, i.e., Sharia law, which is inspired by the Koran. It is also a social system. If anything, Islamic fundamentalism is growing.

47 posted on 07/04/2005 11:44:48 AM PDT by kabar
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