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Former NAACP leader supports Confederate flag
Vol TV ^ | July 4, 2005

Posted on 07/04/2005 8:34:24 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

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To: stainlessbanner; All
HK wouldn't "dirty his feet" by walking past the house of that miserable SCALAWAG!

a scalawag is a TURNCOAT to his native state & the southland. scalawags are the lowest form of life.

btw, WP, #3fan, cvn76 & a host of damnyankee EX FReepers are active on DU. (i'd bet you are NOT surprised by that! rotflmRao!)

free dixie, sw

21 posted on 07/05/2005 7:54:40 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
A fine expression of the Confederates' artificial definition of sovereignty supposing that the God-given rights articulated in the Declaration of Independence are only God-given at the state level. As Thomas Jefferson said:

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man"

And that includes tyranny at the state level. There is question about the legitimacy of the Tennessee secession. Secession had already been voted down once in Tennessee and was only ratified after the politicians had invited the Confederate army into the midst of the state. To the everlasting honor of the old Blount County people, they stayed loyal the the old Union despite the sovereign state being overrun with hordes from outside the sovereign state.. It's a shame that current Blount residents seem ignorant of this proud heritage and are willing to unthinkingly embrace a "hooray for Dixie" attitude that would be repugnant to their ancestors.

Heritage not hate, nor ignorance.

22 posted on 07/05/2005 8:00:54 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; WKB; stand watie; bourbon; lentulusgracchus; stainlessbanner

One could deduce that in the modern era they (Blount Countians) prefer feeling Southern as opposed to Unionist.

Quite common I've observed all over formerly majority Unionist Central and Southern Appalachia.

I have property in a gentrified area of Appalachia and while driving in those environs I find Southern memorabilia most frequently.

One should remember that the western slope valley that runs basically from Chattanooga TN to Winchester VA and Cumberland MD was quite agricultural and Southern leaning. Those hillsides and knobs throughout the Cumberlands to the west and Appalachians to the east were of course less agricultural and less pro-Southern.

Not unlike Piney Woods red clay areas as well in the Deep South.

The land Scarlett... formed the political view to a degree.....

PS: The only reason this is an issue is actually because Maryville is a bit of a lefty-commie haven near Knoxville. The stink was instigated by them.

So as usual, FR's resident Southern heritage bashers find themselves in the tub with lefty PC toesuckers .


23 posted on 07/05/2005 9:12:19 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
YEP!

or has he/she met the MANY members of the Black Confederate Soldiers Memorial Assn.

free dixie,sw

24 posted on 07/05/2005 9:14:32 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: wardaddy
YEP!

nor has he/she met the MANY members of the Black Confederate Soldiers Memorial Assn.

free dixie,sw

25 posted on 07/05/2005 9:14:41 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: wardaddy
also, YEP!

damnyankee south-bashers & especially SCALAWAGS make me gag.

free dixie,sw

26 posted on 07/05/2005 9:16:10 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: wardaddy
FR's resident Southern heritage bashers find themselves in the tub with lefty PC toesuckers .

Great big 'ol bump

27 posted on 07/05/2005 9:30:42 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: wardaddy
One could deduce that in the modern era they (Blount Countians) prefer feeling Southern as opposed to Unionist.

I feel Southern too, but feeling Southern is not the same as feeling Confederate. The heritage of East Tennessee is Southern and Unionist. It is true that in the lowlands of this region there was more Confederate sentiment than in the uplands. But still the region as a whole voted over 2 to 1 to remain in the Union even after the Confederate army moved in.

I'm all for descendants of Confederates honoring their heritage if they wish. I understand the difference between flying a Confederate flag over a Confederate memorial and flying it at a Klan rally. But I'm just sad that so many people ignorantly dishonor their Unionist forefathers by flying the flag that opposed them.

28 posted on 07/05/2005 9:35:06 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: stainlessbanner

Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton bump


29 posted on 07/05/2005 9:35:53 AM PDT by gwhiz
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
A fine expression of the Confederates' artificial definition of sovereignty supposing that the God-given rights articulated in the Declaration of Independence are only God-given at the state level.

Drivel and buncombe.

There was nothing "artificial" about sovereignty, its definition, or its settlement on the People of the States. That's how American sovereignty is historically vested.

Consult the Treaty of Paris, the Articles of Confederation, the numbers of the Federalist, Jefferson's diary, or Madison's minutes of the Philadelphia Convention that wrote the Constitution. Consult the records of the ratification conventions that deliberated the new Constitution, if you like.

Sovereignty belongs to the People and no other. The People are the People of a State, specifically, at the ratification of the Constitution that founded the Union, the thirteen States acting through the Congress to call the Constitutional Convention and then sitting individually to ratify the Constitution severally and independently.

30 posted on 07/05/2005 10:11:01 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
but feeling Southern is not the same as feeling Confederate

That was true before the PC race hustla crowd started demonizing all Southern heritage in the early 80s.

I can remember when even liberals coulda cared less about Confederate stuff. It was seen for what it is. Regional history and cultural identification.

Now, we have come so far into the PC netherworld that so called Conservatives equate Southerners who refuse to buckle and piss on their ancestors as Nazis.

Labeling folks Neo-Confederate is just a smear attempt to silence whatever logical argument they may have.

Underneath all of this is race....as usual.

I have come to the conclusion that for "White" Americans that there is no stronger emotional impulse than the need to prove how sensitive one is to minorities ...especially blacks. It has gotten ridiculous and has bred contempt from blacks.

It's a joke. We fret over old history while Rome burns on all fronts.

There was a brief eclipse of sanity over racial affairs after the death of Jim Crow and the rise of the Great Society....maybe 70-80 and then it all went to shite.

Now folks are more concerned with being offended or making believe to feel better or have more pride than they are real results and candor and our culture has coarsened to a point I never thought possible....yet folks have to harp on flags and the ill doings of whites past....selectively of course.

31 posted on 07/05/2005 10:56:22 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: lentulusgracchus

The point is that there are more black people who support the Confederate battle than the brainwashed few that don't. Saying everyone you know doesn't support it isn't a basis by which to make the sweeping statement that was made.


32 posted on 07/05/2005 1:55:36 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (the only good terrorist is a dead one)
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To: wardaddy
Labeling folks Neo-Confederate is just a smear attempt to silence whatever logical argument they may have.

I think we have a winner.....

33 posted on 07/06/2005 2:17:56 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: swmobuffalo
Perzackly.

The polls I've seen suggest most opinion on "ban-the-flag"/boycott initiatives hovers somewhere around "why don't you give it a rest?"

But historically, it's tied IMHO to a) NAACP's internal problems that Kweisi Mfume inherited in the early 90's and also to b) his initiatives to help Bill Clinton by turning a couple of elections with "stealth" turnout efforts that used a lot of red meat thrown around "under the radar". I think that "under-the-radar"/"don't-let-them-see-you-coming" stuff was Clinton's idea, because he did the same thing in his own behalf in the big [paid-for-by-China] polling/advertising campaign he and Tricky Dicky Morris did in April-July 1995 to determine the outcome of the 1996 election before the Republicans even held their first caucuses.

In 1998, coincidentally with some of the biggest flag agitation, the Democrats tried to surprise the Republicans by snatching back the House of Representatives (which would have effectively nullified Clinton's impeachment without a trial) with a "surprise" 60% uptick in black turnout, energized by the NAACP using, among other things, the flag issue, as well as the "those people" issue, viz. the fact that so many GOP conservatives were white Southerners -- "those people".

34 posted on 07/06/2005 4:46:25 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

It's also tied to the resolution passed in I believe 1996 by the NAACP calling for the removal and destruction of all historical markers and memorials honoring Confederate dead and such plus the total ban on the use of the Confederate battle flag. I have a bookmark to this on my other computer but not this one.


35 posted on 07/06/2005 12:54:31 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (the only good terrorist is a dead one)
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To: swmobuffalo
I'm no fan of the Confederacy, but I don't see how so many people seem to have a trouble differentiating between in-your-face displays of that flag and the innocent honoring of heritage at Confederate grave sites and memorials. You have to work really hard at being so obtuse not to see the difference or just not really care about being fair.

Yes to Confederate flags at memorial sites. No to Confederate flags in northern territory like Blount County, Tennessee.

36 posted on 07/06/2005 4:56:29 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; All
also, "NO!" to ARROGANTLY IGNORANT,STUPID, REVISIONIST & hate-FILLED damnedyankees saying ANYTHING about our sacred battle flags, for which so many valiant & honorable dixie lads died.

we southerners do NOT come to damnyankeeland & disparage your union heroes/flags/memorials.

PLEASE do NOT denigrate OURS.

fwiw, expect to see many more "in your face" displays of our battle flags, all over dixie, REALLY soon!

furthermore, we neither need nor want to hear the opinions of DAMNyankees about any subject. (we have quite enough "homegrown" morons/haters of our own down here.)

free dixie,sw

37 posted on 07/08/2005 9:04:39 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: Riverman94610; All
fwiw, H K Edgerton came to march at the President's Day Parade in "oh, so LIBERAL & PC" Alexandria, VA this year, in CSA uniform & bearing a 60"x60" ANV pattern battle flag.

he was LOUDLY CHEERED by persons of MANY races/skin-tones/religions. he also got hugged/kissed by MANY ladies of all ages/sorts! (SHHHHHHHHHHHH, don't tell his lady about THAT. it's a SECRET! rotflmRao!)

also, he told me that when he marched on the Texas State Capitol, to demonstrate against a legislative resolution, that defined "showing the Confederate flag on Capitol Grounds" as a "misdemeanor amounting to a breach of the peace",that he gained nearly TEN POUNDS from all the "soul food", tamales,pies,cakes,Chinese food,chicken & dumplings, pizza, etc. that ladies "from 8 to 80" brought him! (he was "camping out" in a pup tent, in OPEN & NOTORIOUS VIOLATION of that resolution, ON the grounds of the Capitol at the time.)

i had to LOL at that!

also, as a result of that "camp out" the offending resolution was quietly WITHDRAWN!

free dixie,sw

38 posted on 07/11/2005 8:30:39 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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