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War protester sets flag on fire
pe.com ^ | July 3, 2005 | SARAH BURGE

Posted on 07/05/2005 3:29:01 AM PDT by B4Ranch

War protester sets flag on fire MURRIETA: Lee Henry Vollick, 19, is attacked by concertgoers, then arrested, his mother says.

11:14 PM PDT on Sunday, July 3, 2005

By SARAH BURGE / The Press-Enterprise

MURRIETA - After a 19-year-old war protester set fire to an American flag at the Murrieta city birthday bash Saturday evening, angry bystanders attacked him before he could say a word, his mother said Sunday.

Police said Lee Henry Vollick, of Murrieta, set an American flag ablaze around 7:55 p.m. in the middle of a crowded concert at the California Oaks Sports Park.

The protester's mother, Barbara Vollick, said her son was trying to make a statement against the war in Iraq, not against the United States.

"He's just a college student being crazy," she said.

Murrieta police Sgt. Dennis Vrooman said, "He was basically a one-man demonstration."

He was trying to get others to join him, Vrooman said, "but he wasn't getting any cooperation."

Vollick said her son was upset about President Bush's speech on Iraq last week.

"He's very angry that our young men are dying," Vollick said.

"He didn't even get to say anything," she said, alleging that about a half-dozen people attacked him and pulled the flag away. One man punched him in the face, she said.

Vollick said Sunday her son wasn't in any condition to speak with the press.

"He's actually in a lot of pain right now." She said his face was cut, his neck and back were hurt, and he had welts on his wrists from handcuffs police placed on him when he was arrested.

Vollick was up all night in jail, she said, and he wasn't released until nearly 10 a.m. Sunday morning.

According to a police news release, a Murrieta police officer approached Vollick because the fire posed a hazard to the crowd. The fire burned out quickly, but the officer tried to grab Vollick anyway.

Vollick resisted and tried to break away from his grasp, the release said. With the help of several bystanders, including two off-duty Murrieta police officers, the officer brought Vollick to the ground.

Vollick was arrested on suspicion of resisting a police officer, disturbing a public assembly and inciting a riot. Vollick's mother said he was just trying to stand up, not fight the officers.

"He was yelling, 'You're hurting me,' " she said. "He has a bad back."

Vrooman said, "From my understanding, there were quite a few people in the crowd who were displeased at what he was doing." When the police took the teen him away, Vrooman said, "people applauded."

Vollick said her son was a student at Mt. San Jacinto College for a semester and a half, but had to take time off for health reasons.

She said he had planned to go back to school in August or join the Navy.

"He loves the military," Vollick said, adding that he was a Young Marine for two years when they lived in San Diego. "He wants to serve his country, but he doesn't want to kill people."

Reach Sarah Burge at (951) 368-9642 or sburge@pe.com


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"He has a bad back."

and a numb brain.

1 posted on 07/05/2005 3:29:01 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch

Oh, poor baby.


2 posted on 07/05/2005 3:31:49 AM PDT by The Phantom FReeper (So? People in Hell want ice water.)
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To: B4Ranch

This kid is a nut!! His mother says that he loves the military but does not want to kill people. What kind of sense does that make.


3 posted on 07/05/2005 3:35:44 AM PDT by Bombard
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To: B4Ranch
"He loves the military," Vollick said, adding that he was a Young Marine for two years when they lived in San Diego. "He wants to serve his country, but he doesn't want to kill people."

This woman is a liar or an idiot -- perhaps both.

4 posted on 07/05/2005 3:36:07 AM PDT by max_rpf
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A young Marine for "two" years?!?! Since when did the US military do a two year enlistment? Unless he got kicked out...


5 posted on 07/05/2005 3:38:38 AM PDT by BladeLWS
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To: B4Ranch

"He wants to serve his country, but he doesn't want to kill people."

Hey Lee Henry Vollick, Join the Freedom Corps and never burn a flag again , unless it is during a flag retiring ceremony.


6 posted on 07/05/2005 3:40:57 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: B4Ranch

The Supreme Court won't ban flag burning but it's great to see the public take the matter into their own hands.

Idiot if your going to be a dumbass make sure your surrounded by people who feel the same way or expect to get your ass kicked.


7 posted on 07/05/2005 3:41:49 AM PDT by Recon Dad
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To: BladeLWS
Since when did the US military do a two year enlistment?

I think that this is a thing for high school kids, sort of like the Naval Sea Cadets.

8 posted on 07/05/2005 3:42:18 AM PDT by Riley (STOP CASTING POROSITY!!)
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To: B4Ranch; IGOTMINE; Squantos; patton; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; TADSLOS; Dog; DevSix
One man punched him in the face, she said. Vollick said Sunday her son wasn't in any condition to speak with the press.

I must ask all my fellow patriots to refrain from physically assaulting someone desecrating our national ensign.

[snicker]

[giggle]

Bwahahahaaaaa haaaaaaa!!!!!! [slapping thigh]

9 posted on 07/05/2005 3:43:07 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Coop

For every action there is a reaction. He wasn't expecting this reaction.


10 posted on 07/05/2005 3:45:46 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: B4Ranch

Useless idiot and enemy within.

And a DUMB one at that.

Such a shame, this could really have a chilling effect on this John Kerry wannabe's brilliant military career....


/ SARC


11 posted on 07/05/2005 3:46:10 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Blurblogger

12 posted on 07/05/2005 3:47:13 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: B4Ranch

American flag at the Murrieta city birthday bash Saturday evening, angry bystanders attacked him before he could say a word, his mother said Sunday.

Pretty dumb to burn a flag on Independence Day weekend. That's a red flag right there. I'm amazed he didn't catch on fire. Oops, I guess it got smothered out.


13 posted on 07/05/2005 3:48:35 AM PDT by moog
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To: B4Ranch

He wasn't expecting this reaction.

Kind of like punching a brick wall I guess.


14 posted on 07/05/2005 3:49:44 AM PDT by moog
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To: B4Ranch

I wonder if the young man and his mother will be well enough to talk to all the lawyers who will want to take the case against the police?


15 posted on 07/05/2005 3:50:05 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: BladeLWS
A young Marine for "two" years?!?! Since when did the US military do a two year enlistment? Unless he got kicked out...

http://www.youngmarines.com/

16 posted on 07/05/2005 3:50:18 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Coop; bitt; DoughtyOne; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"and in a manner reiminscent of Oscar Meyer, grilled hot dogs, served Cokes and set afire Old Glory, after which time things got a bit helter-skelter and our hero suffered a few indignities...."

Perhaps he's happy now that he's had his 15 minutes of fame pain...
17 posted on 07/05/2005 3:53:11 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Bombard

They always say they love the military. Liberals love to say that they love the military, while they're screwing our military personnel at every opportunity. Do we need to bring back the news stories about Democrats trying to have the votes of overseas military personnel thrown out of elections, while at the same time they're fighting to restore the voting eligibility of convicted felons?




18 posted on 07/05/2005 3:54:38 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: B4Ranch

Darn, at first glance I thought the headlines read "War Protester Set on Fire".


19 posted on 07/05/2005 3:58:49 AM PDT by 109ACS (Democrats, the other white meat.)
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To: B4Ranch

It would have been a pleasure to have assisted this clown by "as the song states" putting a boot up his ass.
He deserved a lot worse then he got.
Wrong venue, wrong crowd.
Go to say hollywierd or maybe the Calif. State Assembly.


20 posted on 07/05/2005 3:59:29 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: B4Ranch
Lee Henry Vollick, 19...
...he had planned to go back to school in August or join the Navy.
"He loves the military," Vollick said, adding that he was a Young Marine for two years when they lived in San Diego. "He wants to serve his country, but he doesn't want to kill people."

He doesn't want to kill people? He was a "Young Marine", he might join the Navy?... Sounds like he better do some serious thinking here (imagine that). Has he considered a career in the food service industry?... then he could "feed the world". Wouldn't that feel good? Some food service workers get to wear uniforms too!! Wouldn't that be just mega-cool!!

21 posted on 07/05/2005 3:59:57 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: B4Ranch
After a 19-year-old war protester set fire to an American flag at the Murrieta city birthday bash Saturday evening, angry bystanders attacked him before he could say a word, his mother said Sunday.

The kid incited a riot, the angry bystanders gave in to an irresistible impulse.
22 posted on 07/05/2005 4:01:19 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Coop; B4Ranch
A protest raged on a courthouse lawn,
round a makeshift stage they charged on.
 

Fifteen hundred or more they say,
had come to burn the Flag that day.
 

A boy held up the folded Flag,
cursed it and called it a dirty rag.
 

An OLD MAN pushed through the angry crowd,
With a rusty shotgun shouldered proud.
 

His uniform jacket was old and tight,
he had polished each button, shiny and bright.
 

He crossed the stage with military grace,
until he and the boy stood face to face.
 
 

"FREEDOM OF SPEECH", the OLD MAN said,
"Is worth dying for, good men are dead,
 

So you can stand on this courthouse lawn,
  And talk us down from dusk to dawn,
 

 But before any Flag gets burned today,
 This OLD MAN IS GOING TO HAVE HIS SAY!!
 
 

My father died on a foreign shore,
In a war they said would end all war.
 

But Tommy and I wasn't even full grown,
Before we fought in a war of our own.
 

And Tommy died on Iwo Jima's beach,
In the shadow of a hill he couldn't quite reach
 

Where six good men raised this Flag so high,
That the WHOLE DAMN WORLD COULD SEE IT FLY.
 
 

Iwo Jima
 
 

I got this bum leg that I still drag,
Fighting for this same old Flag.
 

Now there's but one shot in this old gun,
So now it's time to decide which one,
 

Which one of you will follow our lead,
To STAND AND DIE FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE?
 

For as sure as there is a rising sun,
You'll burn in Hell 'fore this Flag burns, son
 
 

Now this riot never came to pass
The crowd got quiet and that can of gas,
 

Got set aside as they walked away
To talk about what they had heard this day.
 

And the boy who had called it a "dirty rag",
Handed the OLD SOLDIER the folded Flag.
 
 

In all her glory
 
 

 So the battle of the Flag this day was won
By a tired OLD SOLDIER with a rusty gun,
 

Who for one last time, had to show to some,
 

these colors don't run!
 

keeping the faith


23 posted on 07/05/2005 4:01:27 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: B4Ranch
"He's actually in a lot of pain right now."

Good.

24 posted on 07/05/2005 4:01:44 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: B4Ranch

"He wants to serve his country, but he doesn't want to kill people."

- Hey dumbass. That’s the job of our military, to kill people. That’s what soldiers do. They kill other people so those other people don't kill you. If you didn't have your head so far up your ass and snorted your brains through your esophagus, you'd be waving that flag instead of burning it.

- I have no pity for this kid or anyone else who gets beat up for being stupid.


25 posted on 07/05/2005 4:08:28 AM PDT by Tempestuous
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To: Zacs Mom

Thanks for posting that patriotic saga.


(eyes moist)


26 posted on 07/05/2005 4:09:17 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: B4Ranch
I wonder if he's learned anything about consequences for actions now?

He should learned that at an earlier age, but it sounds like he was mollycoddled.

Setting an American flag on fire in a public place just may earn you a good butt-kicking.

27 posted on 07/05/2005 4:09:19 AM PDT by Allegra (On the Rocks With Salt, Please...)
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To: Zacs Mom

Excellent poem! Do you know who the author is?


28 posted on 07/05/2005 4:09:41 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Recon Dad; jan in Colorado
The Supreme Court won't ban flag burning but it's great to see the public take the matter into their own hands.

I disagree wholeheartedly. It's not a good thing to see vigilanteism.

The flag is not a symbol of George Bush's policies; it's a symbol of our nation. When a person burns a flag, it clearly declares his renunciation of citizenship. This young man should be escorted to the nearest border and allowed to find a new home.

29 posted on 07/05/2005 4:10:03 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: B4Ranch

Got what he deserved!


30 posted on 07/05/2005 4:11:14 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: max_rpf; Bombard
Probably why he loves the Young Marines so much...

31 posted on 07/05/2005 4:11:56 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: B4Ranch
From the article: Vollick set an American flag ablaze around 7:55 p.m. in the middle of a crowded concert
Vollick's mother said "He's very angry that our young men are dying"

Vollick was willing to put dozens of people's lives at risk. It's obvious that he doesn't really care about saving lives.

From the article: The fire burned out quickly, but the officer tried to grab Vollick anyway

Good idea. Even if the kid had been burning an old rag, he should have been grabbed.

32 posted on 07/05/2005 4:16:10 AM PDT by syriacus (Libs LUV a Justice who's ready, for approval from Dick, Chuck and Teddy.)
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To: Allegra; Howlin; eureka!
Setting an American flag on fire in a public place just may earn you a good butt-kicking.

Again, please, I must urge all my fellow Americans to allow freedom of speech in all its forms. Resist violence.


33 posted on 07/05/2005 4:18:38 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: B4Ranch
A liberal friend of mine has a good take on the whole flag burning issue. He essentially thinks (as I do) that flag burning is -- and should be -- protected as political speech/expression. He also thinks that if you're dumb enough to do it in a public place and get your tush stomped as a result, you pretty much deserve what you get.

I hope this "crazy college kid" has learned something from the experience.
34 posted on 07/05/2005 4:19:45 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: LIConFem

I personally think if someone chooses to burn an American flag in my presence, I should get to choose the flag's location - which will be wrapped firmly around their head and shoulders just prior to ignition. :-)


35 posted on 07/05/2005 4:22:13 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Gondring

We won't escort illegals to the border! The best case serario in these flag burning incidents is for the idiot to splash himself with the combustable and get lit up with the flag.
This guy could have burned the flag in his backyard but instead he wanted to illicit a reaction.

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"


36 posted on 07/05/2005 4:23:45 AM PDT by Recon Dad
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To: BladeLWS

Young Marine = Junior ROTC (High School)

FWIW, during the Vietnam War, the Marines did offer 2 year enlistments (for the combat arms only).


37 posted on 07/05/2005 4:23:59 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: Recon Dad
"He didn't even get to say anything," she said, alleging that about a half-dozen people attacked him and pulled the flag away. One man punched him in the face, she said.

Sure he got to say what was on his mind. The SCOTUS says that burning the U.S. flag is "symbolic" speech. The guy that punched him in the face was similarly saying something that he wanted to say.

Isn't freedom of speech wondeful?

38 posted on 07/05/2005 4:24:40 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: B4Ranch

sounds like an occasion of two ideas enjoying freedom of speech


39 posted on 07/05/2005 4:29:11 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: B4Ranch
"He's just a college student being crazy," she said.

He's just an a**hole being an arse.

40 posted on 07/05/2005 4:30:18 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Zacs Mom
Thanks for posting that.

Zell Miller: It has been said truthfully that it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protester the freedom he abuses to burn that flag.
41 posted on 07/05/2005 4:32:57 AM PDT by SoIA-79 ("The plans differ; the planners are all alike." Bastiat)
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To: Coop

I wish I did...........I've had it on my web site for 4 years and have been looking for the author to credit the whole time.


42 posted on 07/05/2005 4:33:51 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: SoIA-79

That quote is anotherfavorite of mine & is on the same page as the poem on my site.


43 posted on 07/05/2005 4:37:35 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Zacs Mom
Semper Fi ...
44 posted on 07/05/2005 4:38:18 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: B4Ranch

Hey, Mommy, get help for your " college student being crazy". He endangered other people's lives.


45 posted on 07/05/2005 4:38:26 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: LIConFem
Vollick was arrested on suspicion . . . and inciting a riot.

That is why I maintain that burning the flag in the public square is not free speech. It is incitement to violence, as this fool found out. There is little difference between his action and shouting "fire" in a theater. Neither constitute free speech.

For those of you who support this so-called expression, just what does it mean? Does the generic torcher hate America, dislike President Bush, protest our Iraq policy, support the Kyoto treaty, dislike burning of tropical forests, hate toenail fungus or just what? If there is no distinct message in the act of burning Old Glory how can it be free speech?

Conservatives also get angry with federal, state laws, policies etc. Why don't they (we) burn the flag?

46 posted on 07/05/2005 4:38:45 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil the institutions they control)
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To: thegreatbeast

If his mama had spanked him when he was young, he would not be a girly-man today. Fortunately a few bystanders supplied what mama forgot, and perhaps he's not too old to learn from his mistake.

If not, it's time for Brat Camp.


47 posted on 07/05/2005 4:38:54 AM PDT by KateatRFM
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To: B4Ranch
"He wants to serve his country, but he doesn't want to kill people."

He should move to France.
48 posted on 07/05/2005 4:41:00 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Jacquerie
"That is why I maintain that burning the flag in the public square is not free speech. It is incitement to violence, as this fool found out."

One could say that about any politically-charged statement made in public. Where should the line be drawn?
49 posted on 07/05/2005 4:43:00 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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