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The Bad, the Worst and the Ugly (considers USA's 'Religious intolerance' worse than Iran's)
Scripps Howard ^ | 7/5/05 | Bonnie Erbe

Posted on 07/05/2005 1:37:58 PM PDT by dangus

Welcome to Conflagration Central, otherwise known as Washington, D.C. We unfortunate denizens are beyond exhausted from observing repeat rounds of the low state of American politics' never-ending series of bar brawls. We will be all the more drained after we observe the pending battle between the fire-breathing, over-reaching, power-drunk far Right-ies and the limp, listless Left-ies. That, as each side seeks to destroy the other over the next U.S. Supreme Court nominee.

It's come down to this in American politics: Do you want venal, overt prevarication or do you want inept, feckless incompetence? The former is today's GOP. The latter are today's Democrats.

Conservatives threaten Armageddon if they don't get their way on Justice Sandra Day O'Connor's replacement. Perhaps their ability to deliver on such threats (indebted as this White House is to their ilk) means the time has arrived to board the plane for Tehran. After all, wouldn't it be a relief to join a society in which religious tyranny is gossamer compared with the version we now face in the good old U.S. of A?

Laughable is conservative angst over the possible nomination of Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez by President Bush. Gonzalez would be a historic "first" Hispanic Supreme Court Justice. Gonzalez is also a loyal Bush aide and devout Catholic who calls himself pro-life. That does not suffice for the red meat-eaters, who consider themselves a better judge of judicial merit than their beloved president.

They distrust Gonzalez heartily for the judicial sin of adhering to precedent. And yet, strict constructionists (i.e., those who adhere to precedent as set by the founding fathers) are supposedly the conservative ideal.

Conservatives detest Gonzalez for one ruling he issued five years ago while serving on that bedrock bench of judicial liberalism, the Texas Supreme Court. Judge Gonzalez had the nerve to join the majority in conceding that Roe v. Wade was still national law. In so doing, the court upheld a pregnant teenager's right to seek an abortion without first notifying her parents. Gonzalez called two conservative dissenters (including recent appeals court appointee Priscilla Owen) "unconscionable judicial activis(ts)" because they tried to re-write federal law to fit their own extreme right-wing agenda.

Right-wing hate of Justice Sandra Day O'Connor centers on her desertion of the conservative cause and support for limited abortion rights. And yet O'Connor was as strong a centrist as the Supreme Court has ever seen. In today's Conflagration Central, centrism isn't good enough _ only extremism will do.

Funny how in her most important ruling on abortion while on the Supreme Court, O'Connor was the swing vote in the majority that abortion rights supporters say "eviscerated" Roe v. Wade. In Planned Parenthood vs. Casey, Justice O'Connor recognized a woman's right to abortion early in pregnancy as a matter of liberty. States could regulate abortion early in pregnancy, she co-wrote, but not to the point of creating an "undue" burden on the woman.

Later, when the fetus reached "viability" (was able to live outside the womb) the states could levy more stringent restrictions unless they endangered the woman's health. Funnier still how the term "viability" has disappeared from the abortion debate. It's been replaced by "conception" because, as we all know in this enlightened time, life begins at conception, not as we used to believe at viability.

When the Casey ruling was handed down, liberals said Justice O'Connor kept a skeletal version of Roe alive, but denuded it to the point she may as well have voted to strike it down. In retrospect they were right. Abortion may still be legal, but it's unavailable in many counties and largely unavailable in a handful of states in the United States. In other places, girls and women need jump over so many conditions _ 24-hour waiting periods, anti-abortion counseling, taunts from anti-abortion zealots who hover like vultures outside women's health clinics _ that they just give up.

This is today's stilted view of centrism. Even this is not enough for the extremists in Conflagration Central. They have seen the future. It is Armageddon. And they want it now.

(Bonnie Erbe is a TV host and writes this column for Scripps Howard News Service. E-mail bonnieerbe(at)CompuServe.com.)


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bonnieerbe; dangus; gonzalez; scotus

1 posted on 07/05/2005 1:37:58 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

"It's come down to this in American politics: Do you want venal, overt prevarication or do you want inept, feckless incompetence? The former is today's GOP. The latter are today's Democrats."

Funny, I always thought of the GOP as the incompetents and the 'Rats as the prevaricators. It is so hard to tell them apart once they get to Washington.


2 posted on 07/05/2005 1:41:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: dangus

I always turn to Bonnie Erbe for a thoughtful analysis of contemporary issues. And the moon is made of green cheese.


3 posted on 07/05/2005 1:42:21 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: dangus
the time has arrived to board the plane for Tehran. After all, wouldn't it be a relief to join a society in which religious tyranny is gossamer compared with the version we now face in the good old U.S. of A?

What an idiot.

4 posted on 07/05/2005 1:42:21 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (The Democrats have the right mascot; everyone knows what comes out of an ass)
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To: dangus
In other places, girls and women need jump over so many conditions _ 24-hour waiting periods, anti-abortion counseling, taunts from anti-abortion zealots who hover like vultures outside women's health clinics _ that they just give up.

You mean that they don't get to KILL their unborn? THE HORROR!

5 posted on 07/05/2005 1:42:46 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Admin Moderator

This article was distributed by Scripps-Howard news service, and is available from several other sources, including Washingtn Post's e-mail service. I do not know it to be covered by the "do-not-reprint" restrictions, but the only non-subscription source I found was "Capitol Hill Blue," which was banned from FR. But I emphasize, it was not a Capitol Hill Blue article.

Another version of this was posted, but was excerpted down to one sentence, and the link was not accessible. I hope you agree that the highlighted points of the article make it worthy of reposting; I apologize if you do not.


6 posted on 07/05/2005 1:43:02 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Paul Atreides

I'll pitch in $100 for her plane ticket if she promises to never come back.


7 posted on 07/05/2005 1:44:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: siunevada

"liberals said Justice O'Connor kept a skeletal version of Roe alive, but denuded it to the point she may as well have voted to strike it down. In retrospect they were right."

Uh-huh. So obviously, we conservatives have already won the battle and we're fighting because...?


8 posted on 07/05/2005 1:44:38 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What is so funny, and so tragic, is that Bonnie Erbe probably figures that she has been nonpartisan in that criticism.


9 posted on 07/05/2005 1:45:59 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
This intellectually shallow, poorly written screed is yet another example why Bonnie Erbe's "journalism" career is headed in the same direction as the late McLain Stevenson. Which is to say, headed down due to bad career choices.

Erbe has the Republicans, Democrats, and the Constitution, dead wrong. But, this is in the same excellent tradition as Scripps Howard generally.

As Bugs Bunny would say, she's "a maroon." Poor dear. Someone should ping her to her fan mail that is accumulating here. LOL.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Replace Justice O'Connor -- But Which One?"

10 posted on 07/05/2005 1:48:02 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush appoint a Justice who obeys the Constitution? I give 65-35 odds on yes.)
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To: dangus
Perhaps their ability to deliver on such threats (indebted as this White House is to their ilk) means the time has arrived to board the plane for Tehran. After all, wouldn't it be a relief to join a society in which religious tyranny is gossamer compared with the version we now face in the good old U.S. of A?

Jeez. Another case of DHSD (Durbin Hyperbole Shut-off Dysfnction).

Seems to be catching among a certain left-leaning subset of the population.

11 posted on 07/05/2005 1:48:03 PM PDT by Maceman (The Qur'an is Qur'ap.)
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To: dangus
In other places, girls and women need jump over so many conditions _ 24-hour waiting periods, anti-abortion counseling, taunts from anti-abortion zealots who hover like vultures outside women's health clinics _ that they just give up.

How intolerable! Nobody likes a quitter! I think Planned Parenthood should play the Patten speech for women considering abortion. Never give up!

12 posted on 07/05/2005 1:48:31 PM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
In other places, girls and women need jump over so many conditions _ 24-hour waiting periods, anti-abortion counseling, taunts from anti-abortion zealots who hover like vultures outside women's health clinics _ that they just give up.

Gee, I wonder how they treat unmarried pregnant woman in Tehran.

13 posted on 07/05/2005 1:48:53 PM PDT by polymuser
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To: Paul Atreides

You have to wonder: at what point does an editor step in and say, "umm, Ms. Erbe: do you really mean to say that Iran's religious intolerance is not nearly as bad as America's?" But I'm sure tens of thousands of law professors would be posting this on their doors, if only it were someplace they'd see it (Atlantic Monthly, etc.) rather than Scripps-Howard.


14 posted on 07/05/2005 1:50:29 PM PDT by dangus
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To: polymuser

Bonnie is so stupid that she probably either doesn't know or thinks the right wing media made it all up.


15 posted on 07/05/2005 1:51:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: dangus
Abortion may still be legal, but it's unavailable in many counties and largely unavailable in a handful of states in the United States. In other places, girls and women need jump over so many conditions _ 24-hour waiting periods, anti-abortion counseling, taunts from anti-abortion zealots who hover like vultures outside women's health clinics _ that they just give up.

This has got to be one of the most outright dishonest statements in the abortion debate that I have ever heard from the left. It is literally no more accurate than saying that the supreme court is only one justice away from requiring that any church can be forced to not only pay for a teenage girl's abortion but also to provide transportation to and from the abortion clinic while concealing the information from her parents.

16 posted on 07/05/2005 1:54:32 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: dangus
Gonzalez called two conservative dissenters (including recent appeals court appointee Priscilla Owen) "unconscionable judicial activis(ts)" because they tried to re-write federal law to fit their own extreme right-wing agenda.

Wow, Gonzalez keeps reminding people that he didn't say that about Priscilla Owen and that his comment is being misrepresented, but nobody notices because too many people are repeating this lie.

17 posted on 07/05/2005 1:56:30 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: dangus
We unfortunate denizens are beyond exhausted from observing repeat rounds of the low state of American politics' never-ending series of bar brawls.

Glad you guys are tired, Bonnie, because I'm not. I'm ready to rumble.

18 posted on 07/05/2005 1:58:21 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: dangus
Perhaps their ability to deliver on such threats (indebted as this White House is to their ilk) means the time has arrived to board the plane for Tehran.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

19 posted on 07/05/2005 1:58:27 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: dangus
means the time has arrived to board the plane for Tehran. After all, wouldn't it be a relief to join a society in which religious tyranny is gossamer compared with the version we now face in the good old U.S. of A?

Moral idiot. Go live under the mullahs and you'd likely give your right arm to escape and join the choir at Falwell's church.

20 posted on 07/05/2005 1:59:07 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: dangus
Gonzalez would be a historic "first" Hispanic Supreme Court Justice

-Why is first in quotation marks? He would be the first Hispanic Supreme Court Justice. I can see she wants to make light of that, but then shouldn't historic be the word put in quotations? He would literally be the first but, from her point of view, it wouldn't be very historic.
I don't think its very important that he is Hispanic but he would still be the first, unless I am missing a previous Judge who was of Hispanic decent.
21 posted on 07/05/2005 2:00:36 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It is so hard to tell them apart once they get to Washington.

As further evidence, Just look how Bush 41 & Barbara now treat Slick. I think Slick used the term adopted son.

22 posted on 07/05/2005 2:01:15 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: dangus
They've gone from trying to, ironically, convince everyone that they have no freedom of speech, to trying to, ironically, convince everyone that everyone who doesn't support George W. Bush is being stoned and beheaded in the streets.

The next one I hear whining about his/her patriotism being questioned will get a big "you bet it is!" from me.

23 posted on 07/05/2005 2:01:41 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (The Democrats have the right mascot; everyone knows what comes out of an ass)
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To: dangus

Bonnie Erbe should thank her higher-power her mom didn't flush her down the toilet!


24 posted on 07/05/2005 2:02:35 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: escapefromboston

She could have put the scare quotes around Hispanic, but...

There was a Portuguese (and yes, Portuguese is considered Hispanic) SC justice in the 1930's named Benjamin Cardozo. What she is saying is that even though he is ot technically the first Hispanic, his appointment would still be one of those minority-group breakthroughs.


25 posted on 07/05/2005 2:04:29 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Congressman Billybob

Ummm.. bad example. McLain Stevenson is now a Billionnaire and regular television contributor to Fox News I get your point, but shall we say Jeff "Taxi" Conway, instead?


26 posted on 07/05/2005 2:05:56 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
the time has arrived to board the plane for Tehran. After all, wouldn't it be a relief to join a society in which religious tyranny is gossamer

Don't let the door hitcha where the good Lord splitcha

27 posted on 07/05/2005 2:08:36 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: TexasCajun

>>Bonnie Erbe should thank her higher-power her mom didn't flush her down the toilet!<<

I believe part of the energy of any abortion extremists is that they wish they had not been born. I;ve known a few cases where that was so.


28 posted on 07/05/2005 2:08:37 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I didn't know about Cardozo, thanks for the information. I guess then she is correct. He really wouldn't be the "first".


29 posted on 07/05/2005 2:09:16 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston
Look how smug I am...

never been aborted.
30 posted on 07/05/2005 2:12:29 PM PDT by evets (</sarcasm>)
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To: dangus

McLain Stevenson is dead. You're thinking of Wayne Rodgers.


31 posted on 07/05/2005 2:13:54 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (The Democrats have the right mascot; everyone knows what comes out of an ass)
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To: MEGoody
Perhaps their ability to deliver on such threats (indebted as this White House is to their ilk) means the time has arrived to board the plane for Tehran.

I'm still waiting for them to keep their earlier promises of leaving if Bush won. Maybe it's time to remind them to go.

http://sendthempacking.com/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1264701/posts

32 posted on 07/05/2005 2:15:38 PM PDT by polymuser
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To: evets

33 posted on 07/05/2005 2:18:11 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (The Democrats have the right mascot; everyone knows what comes out of an ass)
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To: dangus
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Stevenson died a few years after stepping out of his star turn as the commanding officer on M*A*S*H. "Or, do I owe little Tiffany an apology?"

John / Billybob
34 posted on 07/05/2005 2:18:14 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush appoint a Justice who obeys the Constitution? I give 65-35 odds on yes.)
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To: VRWCmember

Lies are all the left has ever had. When people finally understand what the 'Rat Party has become ans who runs it, the reject it in droves.


35 posted on 07/05/2005 2:22:26 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: dangus

...In today's Conflagration Central, centrism isn't good enough _ only extremism will do...

When one has been pushed to the brink of the chasm, being pushed more slowly is no solution.

Only pushing back vigorously will do.


36 posted on 07/05/2005 2:24:37 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search North American Community.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I hope so. I refuse to believe that there are that many insane people in this country.


37 posted on 07/05/2005 2:24:59 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (The Democrats have the right mascot; everyone knows what comes out of an ass)
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To: dangus

McLain Stevenson is now SO dead, you'd have trouble recognizing him.


38 posted on 07/05/2005 2:31:34 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: dangus

Cardozo was a Sephardic Jew. Although you might logically consider them Hispanic, as they spoke Spanish for centuries as Ashkenazis spoke Yiddish, they might not have agreed, as the Spanish made very strenuous attempts to exterminate them.

FWIW, my understanding is that the US government does not classify Portugese-speaking people as "Hispanic." So someone from Spain who moves here immediately qualifies as a member of an oppressed minority who qualifies for goodies, while someone who moves here from Portugal (right next door) or Brazil does not. They're just classified as "white," unless perhaps they can claim enough African or Indian blood to fit into the "black" or "native American" classifications.

Many dictionaries, OTOH, define "hispanic" as anyone from Spain, Portugal or all of Latin America.

The idiocy of trying to pigeonhole people never ends.


39 posted on 07/05/2005 2:39:26 PM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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To: dangus
Perhaps [it] means the time has arrived to board the plane for Tehran.

Tell Bonnie I know the perfect Burqua-tailor . . . and I'm sure she'll look smashing all in black! And she'd also better be careful she rides in the right elevator. My goodness; what idiots these left-wing feminists are! They assume that not being able to get an instant abortion is the worst tragedy that could befall them. They really should be forced to live in these Islamic countries that they so admire, and experience some real oppression.
40 posted on 07/05/2005 2:46:13 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: dangus
So obviously, we conservatives have already won the battle and we're fighting because...?

We're horrible people.

41 posted on 07/05/2005 2:48:24 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: Nonstatist

Oops... McLain was Henry Blake; I'm thinking Trapper John. Drats!


42 posted on 07/05/2005 2:59:47 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Congressman Billybob
You need no correction.

14 Nov, 1929 - 15 Feb, 1996

"McLean Stevenson, a comedy writer as well as actor, died unexpectedly late Thursday of cardiac arrest at a Tarzana hospital."

43 posted on 07/05/2005 4:19:44 PM PDT by perfect stranger ("Hell Bent for Election" by Warburg)
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To: Congressman Billybob
You are correct Congressman.

14 Nov, 1929 - 15 Feb, 1996

44 posted on 07/05/2005 4:21:50 PM PDT by perfect stranger ("Hell Bent for Election" by Warburg)
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