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Wobbly Republicans
The Washington Times ^ | July 5, 2005 | Mark Petrina

Posted on 07/05/2005 2:51:32 PM PDT by TBP

As usual, the Republican Party surrendered the moral and political high ground to the losers when Sen. Bill Frist cravenly accepted Mr. Durbin's phony apology.

Republicans talk tough about the war, radical judges, illegal aliens, affirmative action and term limits. Once elected, though, they thumb their noses at the voters and hide behind liberal power grabs. The American people have completely lost control of their government.

It is time for a counterliberal revolution, but this latest Republican capitulation shows that the feckless Republican Party is incompetent to lead it. Timid and submissive, the Republican Party remains viable only as the nominal home of the conservative movement. Conservatives must lead the revolution from a new party (New Federalist or Originalist?) unfettered by the baggage of existing parties, as the Republicans once did: Several years after its founding, the old firebrand, idea-driven Republican Party nominated Abraham Lincoln for the presidency.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt demagogued that Republicans caused the Great Depression, and the abuse has continued unabated ever since. As a result, the Republican Party assumed a permanent loser mentality, mealy mouthed, falsely objective, content to win elections for their own sakes while deferentially tugging its forelock to Democrats. Republicans routinely cave in to the likes of Mr. Durbin while destroying their own leaders' conservative agendas. The new party must ignore the vicious liberal media and calls for "compassion." Its candidates and leaders should never have served in any state or national capacity in government or another party. Devolution into a big-government pork factory would be arrested by internal term limits, the conservative agenda protected by harsh penalties for McCain-esque mavericks who sup with the enemy.

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TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; biggovernment; borders; bush; compassion; conservatism; culture; depression; dubya; durbin; fdr; frist; gop; illegals; language; liberalism; losers; republicans; spending; whigs
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If the writer wants a new party, there is no need to found one. Such parties are laready out there. The Constitution Party, among others, is standing for the original intent of the Constitution. Do we need another third party?
1 posted on 07/05/2005 2:51:32 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP

Third Party = President Hillary.


2 posted on 07/05/2005 2:52:26 PM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: RockinRight

The government has grown faster under Dubya than it di under the Klintoons.


3 posted on 07/05/2005 2:53:31 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP

It's not a new party we need: we need to remove 75 percent of the incumbent Republicans in the Repulican primaries, but we cannot get candidates with stature to challenge the do-nothing incumbents.


4 posted on 07/05/2005 2:54:17 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: TBP

His entire effort was lost on you. Sad. No wonder the republican party is just a wing of the dem party.


5 posted on 07/05/2005 2:55:33 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: RockinRight
Run another RINO and that is exactly what you are going to get. No more Doles, no more Bush's. No McCain's. No Guilliani.

Got it? Either put in a REAL Conservative, or don't bother.

6 posted on 07/05/2005 2:55:37 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Theodore R.
we need to remove 75 percent of the incumbent Republicans in the Repulican primaries, but we cannot get candidates with stature to challenge the do-nothing incumbents.

Which is exactly what a new party is for. For example, had conservatives voted for Clymer instead of pulling the Republican lever for The Specter, we wouldn't have to be trying to accomodate The Specter (who opposed Bork) on O'Connor's replacement.

7 posted on 07/05/2005 2:57:00 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP

Remember Perot.

When we lose focus, we lose.


8 posted on 07/05/2005 2:58:03 PM PDT by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: Dead Corpse

Hey-I got it. Read my profile page.


9 posted on 07/05/2005 2:58:41 PM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: downtoliberalism
When we lose focus, we lose.

Which is exactly what we do when we hold our noses for RINOS and liberal Democrats masquerading as Republicans.

10 posted on 07/05/2005 2:59:26 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP

Yes, unfortunately it has. However, would it have slowed down under Kerry? Doubtful.


11 posted on 07/05/2005 3:00:20 PM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: Dead Corpse

Straight up, Pal. Say, did you hear W's statement about the importance of "diversity" on the Supreme Soviet...er, Supreme Court?? Pretty sad.


13 posted on 07/05/2005 3:01:18 PM PDT by infidel dog (nearer my God to thee....)
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To: TBP

Remember, I'm with you. But when we thought about a third party, we got slammed into eight years of slick Willie. I don't think that we should take that chance again.

In a perfect world, would I vote for these do-nothings of today, of course not.


14 posted on 07/05/2005 3:02:52 PM PDT by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: RockinRight
Third Party = President Hillary.

NOT necessarily so!!what is the alternative? To keep caving and finally be defeated anyway. I will go down fighting if I go down. NOT giving in to the enemy!!

15 posted on 07/05/2005 3:04:00 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: downtoliberalism
If the GOP had run someone more dynamic than Dole, dynamic hell... someone with a PULSE, Perot would have been as much of a non-issue as Browne was. Not to mention Brady Bill Bob Dole's stance on other issues lost him large segments of the 2A crowd.

No more. Never again.

16 posted on 07/05/2005 3:04:10 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: pollywog

OK-third party is fine so long as we can install a 4th party liberal candidate to equal out the loss of votes...then we could have a real chance. Otherwise we split the conservative vote and almost GUARANTEE a President Hitlery.


18 posted on 07/05/2005 3:05:21 PM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: RockinRight
Third Party = President Hillary.

Supporting RINOs = President Hillary

19 posted on 07/05/2005 3:05:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: infidel dog
I want diversity. Whites. Blacks. American-Hispanics. Male. Female. Transgendered or Neutered.

I don't care.

But they had best be a Constitutional constructionist. On the JOB DESCRIPTION, we need no diversity of opinion. Follow it, or go away.

20 posted on 07/05/2005 3:06:37 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

That's also true.

Which is why we need Mike Pence.


21 posted on 07/05/2005 3:07:47 PM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: TBP

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php


In actuality, the one true party standing for what would be the Constitution's intent would probably be the Libertarians, given their anti-any government bent


22 posted on 07/05/2005 3:09:25 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: Dead Corpse

When the conservative movement is only half the population, you can't offer two options to one group and still expect to defeat the enemy. If our group decides to be divided, we will never ever have the chance to get someone to lead our party.


23 posted on 07/05/2005 3:10:02 PM PDT by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: TBP

So should we boycott the TX Republican primaries of 2006 for then lack of real conservative choices thus far?


24 posted on 07/05/2005 3:13:04 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: TBP
I'm probably being at Pollyanna, but I hope W & Pubbies have something up their sleeve after letting the Commies blow on for the long weekend.

I just hope....

25 posted on 07/05/2005 3:13:16 PM PDT by leadhead (Does history record any case in which the majority was right?)
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I really don't buy this thinking that representatives are just placeholders, or a peg put thrown into office by the voters. What is missing is leadership. The conservative message is very compelling, and many voters can be turned by a persuasive speaker. You look in California to the opposition to Boxer-Pelosi-Feinstein, and there is nobody. All we get is weakminded goobers pushing Flag Burning Amendments, or that 80s favorite Outlawing Abortion (which will never happen in California anyway). Geez, enough!
26 posted on 07/05/2005 3:13:17 PM PDT by captainblacksmith
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To: Dead Corpse

Also don't forget that Dole's v.p. choice was a weak selection too.


27 posted on 07/05/2005 3:14:41 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: TBP
Via the internet and talk radio, true conservatives get together nationwide and send the message to Washington that unless A, B, C, and D are done by November, 2008, we will stay home on election night. Let's pick four we can all agree on.

Call it A Contract With Congress.

Oh. If we do stay home, please don't tell me that will result in a liberal agenda in Washington because I'll laugh in your face.

If and when we ever regain power, we do the exactly the same thing again. Maybe then they'll believe us.

28 posted on 07/05/2005 3:14:51 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: downtoliberalism
When we lose focus, we lose. When we vote Republican, we lose anyway, so why keep voting for the Republicans? I'm voting for the constitution party in the '06 and '08 elections. http://www.constitutionparty.com It will be interesting to see how Hillary govern the country since this country is moving to the right as a whole. There's a big time philsophical shift going in this country, in that the majority of the country has gone conservative. Could be the last gasp of the 'rats in '08 unless they move more to the right.
29 posted on 07/05/2005 3:14:56 PM PDT by srotaG adirolF (Hater of all things democRat)
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To: TBP

The Wobblies? Mugwumps. Half Breeds. Bull Moose. This has potential, wonder why they haven't thought of this before.


30 posted on 07/05/2005 3:17:00 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: robertpaulsen

Do you one better. When filing taxes, demand all your money back. They didn't do what they said they'd do when we HIRED them, why should they be paid? What are they going to do, imprison 100 million people?


31 posted on 07/05/2005 3:21:36 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: robertpaulsen

I like it. My 2 cents:
A. Immigration and border control.
B. Tax fairness and simplification.
C. Fair trade enforcement.
D. Marriage Amendment.


32 posted on 07/05/2005 3:23:46 PM PDT by polymuser
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To: srotaG adirolF

...so why keep voting for the Republicans?




Voting for whoever, is the same as voting for Clinton. With that outcome, we don't even have a chance to promote our cause. If we continue to vote Republican, at least there is hope.


33 posted on 07/05/2005 3:24:45 PM PDT by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: seamole

Ye-es, I hope that is W's strategy. However, I have to confess a gnawing fear that we will get a nice, lukewarm, vaguely "conservative" nominee dropped on the plate, one that the left-wing scum on Capitol Hill will accept without much fuss. This is probably the last chance to reverse the course of our Republic, and it won't happen with another Warren or O'Connor on deck. If we are fated to judicial authoritarianism in the U.S.(as the last forty years indicate) we must hope to God the judiciary will be dominated by the Right.


34 posted on 07/05/2005 3:25:10 PM PDT by infidel dog (nearer my God to thee....)
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To: srotaG adirolF

The Constitution Party has made a hero out of a man who is in bed with the trial lawyers.

http://www.retakingamerica.com/

This website is operated by Kelly McGinley, former member of the MCREC, and thwarted BOE candidate. See, Kelly McGinley in her various pronouncments, made her support of the Peroutka campaign very clear. She then decided she had the right to challenge Randy McKinney for his seat on the State Board of Education in the Republican Primary. Even as she openly endorsed Constitution Party Presidential candidates.

Marty Connors, one of the more visionary state chairs we've had, didn't cotton to this, and he made sure that McGinley was kept off the primary ballot. Hence her hatred for all things Republican. McGinley has also made it very plain she is an anti-Catholic on her website.

Now, I know the CP's political beliefs have nothing to do with McGinley's insanity, but as long as she keeps ranting and they don't condemn her, I want nothing to do with them.


35 posted on 07/05/2005 3:38:51 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: downtoliberalism
With that outcome, we don't even have a chance to promote our cause. If we continue to vote Republican, at least there is hope I heard the same thing for the 2004 election and what did we get? Borders are still open. The Republican majority in congress is caving to the left. Orrin Hatch is supposed to be a republican and he's sounding like a fence sitter (moderate). I'm tired of voting for these fools only to be disappointed a few months later. They (meaning the republicans) better get a backbone or they're toast. Just watch how the republicans will cave in to the left's wishes on this judicial conformation.
36 posted on 07/05/2005 3:41:47 PM PDT by srotaG adirolF (Hater of all things democRat)
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To: srotaG adirolF

Please don't misunderstand me. I yell at the top of my lungs everyday. My employees I'm sure are tired of my ranting everyday about the (male part)less people we have employed to elected posts. Yet, we have no chance at all at promoting our beliefs if we allow liberals to regain control of our government.


37 posted on 07/05/2005 3:46:31 PM PDT by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: AzaleaCity5691
In actuality, the one true party standing for what would be the Constitution's intent would probably be the Libertarians, given their anti-any government bent

Actually, I don't think that's true. The Constitution was primarily a limit on the FEDERAL government. The states were left to do pretty much as they wanted, and Libertarians do not like that. I see a lot of libertarians that support decisions like Roe and Lawrence v. Texas because it imposes a made up constitutional standard on the STATES. Overruling Roe and Lawrence would just send the question back to the states--a results many libertarians do not want. Libertarians have a view of the nature of government that is, in many ways, at odds with our consitutional scheme and in others, consistent.

38 posted on 07/05/2005 3:49:00 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: TBP
"Conservatives must lead the revolution from a new party "

I jave resently come to a similar conclusion. Bye bye GOP.

39 posted on 07/05/2005 3:49:11 PM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: jpsb

Conservatives must lead the revolution from a new party (New Federalist or Originalist?) unfettered by the baggage of existing parties, as the Republicans once did: Several years after its founding, the old firebrand, idea-driven Republican Party nominated Abraham Lincoln for the presidency.

The man need to read the history of his own party before making ignorant comment like that.It was because of Lincoln, that we have the country we do now. He was a Big Government guy as were most Republicans who were former Whigs.


41 posted on 07/05/2005 3:57:11 PM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: ModelBreaker

Are you talking about all libertarians or the national party? If you are talking about all libertarians, I'll be happy to destroy your opinion.


42 posted on 07/05/2005 4:00:35 PM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: TBP

Doesn't New York have a Conservative Party that holds its own convention but 99% of the time backs the Republican nominee?


43 posted on 07/05/2005 4:02:51 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: downtoliberalism

"If we continue to vote Republican, at least there is hope."

Oh man do I feel sorry for you. Look at the history of that party, and you tell me when (except for Goldwater and Reagan) where that party was for small government. Saying you are for small government and governing the opposite way does not constitute being for small government.


44 posted on 07/05/2005 4:06:47 PM PDT by libertarianben (Looking for sanity and his hard to find cousin common sense)
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To: polymuser
Secure borders, at least one federal budget equal to the previous year, a federal statute to negate Kelo, and elimination of at least one federal agency.

These are solid, conservative principles.

45 posted on 07/05/2005 4:10:36 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Normal4me
"What are they going to do, imprison 100 million people?"

Ah. But my plan only needs 3 million conservatives to stay home. A credible number which is attainable and may convince our representatives to do what they promised to do.

46 posted on 07/05/2005 4:18:00 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: libertarianben

Oh man do I feel sorry for you...

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Thanks for the thought. And I do deserve your pitty. But not about this. Maybe if we would be more intent on advancing our cause, and vote the platform and not the individual, maybe we could advance. When we continue to vote for an individual, we get the result that we have been getting.

I don't prescribe to the theory that if we don't get the result we want out of the current personell, we must jump ship. We will never get the chance if liberals run our country again.


47 posted on 07/05/2005 4:20:34 PM PDT by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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To: TBP
It is time for a counterliberal revolution, but this latest Republican capitulation shows that the feckless Republican Party is incompetent to lead it.

Ain't it the truth! I offer as prima facie evidence the lack of any Republican appearing on the talks shows the last three days and countering the Dems arguments for a 'moderate' or 'liberal' or 'consensus conservative' nominee to SCOTUS. This is not an election! This is a judicial appointment and the only thing that matters is if the nominee can interpret and uphold the Constitution. I have yet to hear a single Republican Senator make a statement along these lines.

48 posted on 07/05/2005 4:25:34 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

Wow nearly everyone on here is talking like a borderline raving lunatic! No, you cannot vote for a third party candidate. That is THROWING your vote away. You would be wasting the gas going to the polling place. I've said it once and I'll say it again: if you want change, try to change the Republican party (ala Mike Pence), don't make your own party.

That aside, look at the big picture. It is almost IMPOSSIBLE for a candidate to please everyone. Even Reagan wasn't hardline conservative on every single issue, which is what you people seem to be demanding. Be happy of what we have in Bush. He is not a RINO. Lindsey Graham and Mike DeWine aren't RINOs. Not everyone who doesn't toe the party line on every single issue is a RINO. Lincoln Chafee is a RINO, ok? And if you have real problems with other Republicans, then beat them in a primary if you must, or else march your greedy butt over to DU and start voting for the Michael Moores of the world.


49 posted on 07/05/2005 4:41:27 PM PDT by polyester~monkey (www.polyestermonkey.blogspot.com)
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To: TBP

Anybody who thinks fallen men (that's everyone) can turn this mess around are living in a delusion. Only Christ returning to take the reigns of government will stop man's headlong dive into the pit of destruction. The good news is God has a better cliffhanger ending than any Star Wars or Indiana Jones movie.


50 posted on 07/05/2005 4:42:12 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Doctors may delay your death, but only Jesus Christ can save your life.)
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