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To: lancer

No, not too much time to read lately, I am looking forward to getting Jerome Corsi's book, too. Taheri's is on my wish list, too.


19 posted on 07/07/2005 3:06:27 AM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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Alan's responses:

Concerning the thoughts of NOT using the MEK, for reasons stated on this thead, Alan responds with:

The dire warnings are highly exaggerated, specially about putting Iranians off. It puts some Iranians off, those with let's do it peacefully and let it all happen through Orange Ukraine or students, or normal political process etc.,

Just isn't factual or accurate. Specially about distressing pro-American Iranians and turning them against the USA. As if this actually makes much difference when they are unable to do anything anyway. So you temporarily alienate a mind set that will happily be pro-American again when they find the Mullahs weakened or about to go.

The MEK are nowhere near as hated as the writer appears to make out - except by the current regime. If it's not a ""previously accepted or known source"" source, let's do it by due process and legal means like a referendum, then I would posit it's a pro-Mullah source that promotes this kind of anti-MEK sloganism. The MEK terrifies them as the only hard hitting entity that exists who will willingly bomb them as they did in the past, set suicide bombers and be just as nasty to the Mullahs as they are to their population.

Interesting responses. Including a couple of mature ones questioning if this could not fail badly or be a "blowback to the nth degree". Logical, valid comment. However nothing else out there has the chance of a snowflake in hell of accomplishing regime change, so what's the fuss. Worth a hail Mary shot rather than a sure result of no progress to stop the nuke capability - which Sandblast would.

Additional comments:

Re Spetnatz comment: Anyways, just my thoughts again. But let me put it another way. Imagine your typical Iranian youth. Pro-freedom, pro-American, pro-moving forward. Now imagine he or she learns that the US aided (either through logistics, financing, or both) an entry by the MEK (or similar groups) and started a proxy war within Iran against the mullahs. Tell me how that would go down in Iran? We would basically loose all hope in that nation for at least one generation ….the current one.

(Spetnatz - open minded poster with decent comments but a skewed take on Iranian youth mentality and loyalties).


Much to everyone's astonishment it would go down very well with the Iranian youth so often mentioned as avidly pro-American but not sufficiently anti-Mullah to accept their removal with whatever means. We would basically lose all hope in that nation for at least one generation ….the current one.

Where do they get this idea of losing the youth. The youth to which they refer (as you stated in a response) is incapable of doing anything nor mustering any force against the Mullahs but have to put up with them for lack of anything better. Their probable anger at the USA is a myth with no confirmation and inaccurate doomsday nay-sayings are part of the reason the Mullahs are not long gone. Again we judge the Iranian youth based on a view of our own or even European. They are not. They will gladly have someone else do the job for them now that they are hopeless about doing it themselves. They may forget to thank the MEK. And then work on getting both Rafsanjani and the MEK out by proposing changing the Constitution - which the MEK would ardently support. That removes clerical legitimacy and support. THEN they would demand elections and at the very least vote the MEK out of power! Yes, there would be civil strife but by then the Revolutionary Guard, the Bassiji etc., would be discouraged by deaths of their top leaders at the hands of the MEK and become more open to supporting a new leadeship. Not so now. Etc., Etc.,

Feel free to respond at one and all the way you have been doing.


Additional Comments::
Excerpt from Iran Press News.
This is the fertile ground on which to carry out Operation Sandblast. The final comment negates the nay-sayers who worry about the students turning against us. As I aid in an Email to you, they will be happy to stay out of it and watch the Mullahs removed. Even by the MEK as part of the removal process.
cheers,
Alan

Rafsanjani who refers to the widespread deception and fraud in the bogus election as "ambiguities", insinuated: "I hope that the president himself, along with the Ministry of the Interior, will clarify matters, offering the people the truth so that in the future, the country does not find itself in deeper trouble."

He then continued to address Ahmadinejad's "instalment" [to presidency], hinting to Khamnei and warning him of danger: "If we do not watch our steps, our enemies will take advantage of the situation and attempt to hurt the regime, while taking advantage of the masses."

Of course this was neither the first time, since the elections that these types of comments were heard from Rafsanjani, nor has Khamnei and his factions been sitting by idly. Rafsanjani's defeat was a deadly blow to his empire and Khamnei who had begrudgingly shared the power with Rafsanjani for many years, was well aware of the fact that Rafsanjani would take action and eventually fully retaliate against him for the very public betrayal [and embarrassment] of giving his post to a "flunky" (Ahmadi-Nejat).

On Friday, June 24th, the day of the second round of elections therefore, pre-emptive blows were struck against sympathizers and colluders of Rafsanjani's at the hands of apparent "enforcers" of the Supreme Leader. In one instance of the reported scuffles, Rafsanjani's representative at one of the polling stations as well as Mullah Tavassoli, who is a member of The Khomeini Bureau were both severely injured. Based on reports from ILNA, the regime's news agency, Rafsanjani's representative was forcibly dragged out of the polling station by a few unknown men and almost fatally stabbed.

At this juncture, Mullah Hasan Rowhani who led Iran's 21-month negotiations with the European Union over Tehran's nuclear programme has also resigned his post leaving absolutely no recourse for the European Union who has ruthlessly ignored the pleas of the innocent Iranian people. The fractiousness of the various Mullah camps against each other has become apparent. At this juncture, each Mullah's goon squad will soon begin the gangland style assassination that will be reminiscent of the 1920's and '30's Chicago territorial shoot-outs.

This for now has become the "dream" scenario of the Iranian people for the once and for all riddance of the Mullacracy. Leaving the Iranian people out of their final "showdown" will be the greatest departing gift that these ideologues can give us.


20 posted on 07/07/2005 4:08:46 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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