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Russia will equip Iranian Submarines with Missiles
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Posted on 07/06/2005 12:08:22 AM PDT by Srirangan

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To: Lurking in Kansas

Umm,the Kilo class D/Es are renowned for their quietness when submerged.


41 posted on 07/06/2005 7:35:13 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: moose2004

Actually,the cooperation I look at is more than political.Italian,French,German & even British companies are trying to sign up with Russian weapons manufacturers to jointly develop or market goods.Both Italy & Russia pretty much developed an advanced jet trainer(Yak-130) together,but broke off only due to technical considerations,while the BAE & AMS of Britain are promoting joint upgrades of several Russian weapons.Then there is the issue of Russia becoming an attractive investment destination & fast growing for companies from these countries.So even if Germany or Spain go conservative again,there isn't a guarantee that they will turn their backs to Moscow-their interests seem to demand that.


42 posted on 07/06/2005 7:39:14 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I am no expert but... Some subs are very quiet almost silent. However no sub is quiet when not properly maintained. I am sure the hulls have to have proper maintenance to remain almost silent and I some how feel these subs are probably not getting the best maintenance
43 posted on 07/06/2005 7:44:13 AM PDT by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I stand corrected on my use of ‘loud.’ ‘Quiet’ and ‘loud’ are relative terms. I meant ‘loud’ relative to ours.

But do you really thing anything they have could leave Bandar-e Abbas without us knowing about it? I still say relax , Iran has had these subs over 10 years. This is no problem.

44 posted on 07/06/2005 7:48:26 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: BookaT

That's why the fact that these subs are getting an overhaul should be worrying.Most folks are just focussing on the facts that new missiles will be fitted,which is serious enough.But whenever subs have to be drydocked,there is always the chance of upgrading it's sonars,EW & countermeasures systems & also the possibility of installing new batteries.Iran reportedly had problems with the Kilo's batteries when they entered service.Moreover,a new coating of anechoic tiles may be added for absorbing sonar pings.


45 posted on 07/06/2005 7:52:22 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Lurking in Kansas

I have to agree that the USN probably has got the prop signatures of these subs long ago.But one also has to understand that D/E subs are usually quieter than N-boats,though their low endurance negates that.One can just look at examples of Dutch & Norwegian subs "sinking" American LA class boats in exercises & most of those boats have pretty much the same characteristics as the Kilo.


46 posted on 07/06/2005 7:55:23 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: DB

I think we should wait for the multi-million dollar refurbishments to be completed and then sink them.


47 posted on 07/06/2005 7:58:42 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: moose2004

Slightly off topic - could Merkel be Germay's version of Thatcher? It would be ood to see the tax cuts and government reductions that Kohl proposed passed. What Kohl proposed had to have been inspired by Reagan.


48 posted on 07/06/2005 8:00:24 AM PDT by Fred Hayek
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To: taxesareforever
Putin knows he can't win a war against the U.S. so he is busy arming our enemies...

Considering that our enemies are Islamists who would just as soon nuke Moscow as they would NYC, the Russians are playing a dangerous game. ......and one that they'll lose, as usual.

49 posted on 07/06/2005 8:27:34 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Don't forget how heavily America is invested in Russia's economy, more so than the other countries you mentioned, Yet we, like France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Britain, adhere to Reagan's way of dealing with the Russians, "trust but verify."


50 posted on 07/06/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Fred Hayek

I hope you're right. I have friends who live in Munich, and they despise Schroeder and the way he has wrecked the German economy. I think a dose of good old supply-side tax cuts is just what the doctor ordered, and Angela Merkel will hopefully deliver.


51 posted on 07/06/2005 8:34:29 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
...One can just look at examples of Dutch & Norwegian subs "sinking" American LA class boats in exercises & most of those boats have pretty much the same characteristics as the Kilo.

No argument, however, there is a difference between Dutch & Norwegian crews vs. an Iranian crew. Can you even imagine being on a sub crewed by the Iranians? LOL

;-)

52 posted on 07/06/2005 9:09:49 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
To operate in the gulf and formuse straight you don't need much endurance probably. That sort of quiet boat armed with long range anti-shipping missile that has supersonic terminal stage is extremely dangerous. These guys don't even need or care about sinking US subs or ships. Few of these boats + good intel on commercial ship traffic and you have no oil flowing out of the Persian gulf. Question is how good boats are maintained, how competent are the crews (those Scandinavian and British diesels "sinking" US nuclear boats have elite crews, some Russian conscripts on Kilo would have little chance doing that)

There is a reason why US Navy is building Virginia class boats. Supposedly they will be the answer to the newest diesel subs. For now, this is a scary development.
53 posted on 07/06/2005 9:15:24 AM PDT by dimk
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To: Mo1

Oi Vey!


54 posted on 07/06/2005 9:16:31 AM PDT by jw777
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To: Lurking in Kansas

One can't be sure about the skills of Iranian crews(or the lack of it),but I certainly wouldn't want to underestimate anyone esp folks who think they've got 72 virgins waiting for them!!!!!!


55 posted on 07/06/2005 9:21:19 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Very true, many thought Japanese were flying paper planes and had clueless pilots before WW2 too. Price of arrogance is often very high.


56 posted on 07/06/2005 9:29:59 AM PDT by dimk
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To: Mr. Mojo

Yep. You are right. They are as much infidels as people in the U.S. are, according to Islam.


57 posted on 07/06/2005 10:44:05 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: moose2004

And now Russia and China are ordering our forces out of Uzbekistan, Krygastan. How soon before they order us out of all of them?


58 posted on 07/06/2005 10:46:07 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

It only takes one MK48, that's for sure...


59 posted on 07/06/2005 10:53:32 AM PDT by HRoarke (We will bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies.-GWB)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If the Iranians had Dutch or Norwegian crews I'd be much more worried.


60 posted on 07/06/2005 10:54:44 AM PDT by HRoarke (We will bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies.-GWB)
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