Posted on 07/06/2005 5:58:23 AM PDT by NYer
Ping.
They should ex-communicate all kinds of people.
Actually -you display your virtue...
LOL, as far as AH -we all have one, sometimes one too many...
Ooooooh. Now I get it. I thought you were referring to some new protestant sect.
That may be the case as well --never know...
Oh man; I've been reading that sort of stuff too long. That passage you cited makes perfect sense to me:
There are seven ways that wrath, or rebellion against the spiritual order, appear to man: darkness (here, probably an inability to intuitively experience the spiritual), desire (or, a lack of serendipity), ignorance, a fondness for violence, lust (sensuousness), thinking according to the ways of the flesh, and wrathful wisdom (thinking according to rationalization or self-interest?).
The soul climbing towards enlightenment experiences each of these in progression.
It's pretty much standard eastern philosophy mush, the kind that makes for the cheesy science-fiction "fortune cookie" platitutdes that are found abundantly in movies like The Matrix and Star Wars.
Thanks, ninenot.
The split in my mind was not inevitable. Had the bisop stepped in to correct abuses, many false lesssons would ot have been learned, and the flock would not have been led astray.
The Church should do all it can to prevent schism, for once a schism has occurred, it is almost impossible to heal. (Consider the Great Schism, for example.)
But refusing to excommunicate once a schism has occured is like refusing to fight once you are invaded; it is too late: While one must always work for peace, one is pressed to defend the truth.
The bishop as pastor of this flock is like the queen of the bees in the story of the wax moth, which sionnsar links to: He did nothing to protect his hive, until the wax moths had completely dominated it. Had he stirred up the drones to battle the wax moths when they arrived, he would have saved the hive. May God have mercy on his soul.
WHOOPS! I was thinking you were writing on MY thread... the criticism I make is for the bishop of Rochester, apon whose watch a parish fell into schism... this young cardinal appears to have been excellent in his actions from what I see.
Trust me when I tell you I am displaying slow-wittedness, not virtue, but I still don't get what an AH is. Is it something I am better to remain naive of?
OooOOoooOOo! I get it... We each have *one.*
Duh.
I am now forced to repeat that ancient chant:
Owha Tanas Siam!
(still not sure some people I've known didn't belong to that sect.)
Isn't "lust" and "thinking according to the ways of the flesh" the same thing. Ditto for "desire" and "wrathful wisdom". Actually, the whole damn thing sounds like a fortune cookie. Sorry... I was never this jaded about eastern religions until I moved to LaLa Land. After witnessing its nominal practice out here in all its shallow mystical bull-sh*t glory, I just have no patience for it. I would have a heck of a lot more respect for these Buddhist gurus if they did something to improve the lifes of the poor benighted wretches in their own homeland instead of jet-setting around La Jolla to be wined and dined by vapid rich people who want "religion" but are too immoral and self-absorbed to seek anything more than a feel-good spirituality that sounds cool and doesn't frown upon their decadent lifestyle. As it stands, they left the job of taking care of their poor to a Catholic nun from Albania.
Not to nitpick your generally excellent posts, but I think you meant to say "the Holy Ghost/Spirit" in place of the boldened text above. No?
...QUIT SWALLOWING YOUR RC PROPAGANDA AND GO READ ABOUT POPE ALEXANDER VI...NOT ONLY WAS HE A HEDONIST WHO ENJOYED IMPREGNATING YOUNG WOMEN, HE WAS BOTH A PEDOPHILE AND A PIMP!
Personal rule of mine: do not debate with someone who launches into all caps. (Yes, Alexander VI was a horrid man, widely regarded as the most sensuously sinful pope in history, and is best known for an orgy. But his last child, a bastard, was born in 1492, just before his election to the papacy.)
God bless you and yours and thanks for the picking of that nit.
That's the first I've ever heard of the pedophile charge. Pimp, pervert, crook -- those I knew. But pedophile?
I guess Mean Dog is noting Alexander's well-reknowned fondness for children, as well as sexual licenstiousness and presuming the two are related. The pimp charge is probably pretty fair; he did throw a banquet featuring prostitutes. One account may be exaggerated, but Alexander was very definitely a very immoral man.
Well it is kinda easy to preach what you want from inside a fortress (the Vatican), proteced by your own personal army. But the rest of the priests, preachers and bishops on the outside have to be a bit more polite in what they say.
Actually I thought the pimp charge was in reference to his practice of marrying off Lucrezia multiple times for political or fiscal gain.
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