Neanderthal Genome May Be Reconstructed

AP via Yahoo! ^ | 7/6/05 | Not given

[malakhi]

German and U.S. scientists have launched a project to reconstruct the Neanderthal genome, the Max-Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology said Wednesday.

The project, which involves isolating genetic fragments from fossils of the prehistoric beings who originally inhabited Europe, is being carried out at the Leipzig-based institute.

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"Firstly, we will learn a lot about the Neanderthals. Secondly, we will learn a lot about the uniqueness of human beings. And thirdly, it's simply cool," Rubin said.

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[malakhi]

Ping.

[ValerieUSA]

simply cool ping

[ICE-FLYER]

What better way to INVENT the missing link to a flawed and failed THEORY that has become twisted fact in the minds of so many around the world. Don't have the facts...INVENT them and say "Oh yes, this is what it would have looked like!"

[TXBSAFH]

This is not necessary, they are still around. How else do you explain NFL linemen.;)

[epluribus_2]

they will find the only living link with these subhumans to be found in governing class populations of the modern French.

[Publius6961]

The Krauts have recruited Howard Dean??

[Sinner6]

Very Cool

[thoughtomator]

The expected result:

[My2Cents]

[AntiGuv]

Very cool. From a scientific standpoint, however, reconstructing the Homo erectus genome would be even more valuable. I hope they might be able to do that next.

[PatrickHenry]

EvolutionPing

A pro-evolution science list with over 280 names. See the list's description at my freeper homepage. Then FReepmail to be added or dropped.

[My2Cents]

[Gumlegs]

Next: Goal and timetables (not quotas), to correct Neanderthal under-representation.

[Reeses]

Our ancestors went to great lengths to kill off the Neanderthals. We should trust their judgment.

[cryptical]

What better way to INVENT the missing link to a flawed and failed THEORY that has become twisted fact in the minds of so many around the world. Don't have the facts...INVENT them and say "Oh yes, this is what it would have looked like!"

Maybe it'll be so flawed that it'll prove that an Un-intelligent designer was involved i.e. "There's no way that random mutation could have come up with something this broken, it looks like a mildly retarded childs project!"

[adam_az]

pingy ping

[AntiGuv]

[whee0071]

Yup. Three cheers for conjecture! Maybe there's a better answer...

[RogueIsland]

What better way to INVENT the missing link to a flawed and failed THEORY that has become twisted fact in the minds of so many around the world. Don't have the facts...INVENT them and say "Oh yes, this is what it would have looked like!"

I'm sorry, I'm not up on the latest techniques and technologies involved in gene sequencing. You've obviously uncovered serious technical issues with them, and I'd be interested in your findings.

[martin_fierro]

Ugh.

Martin say this cool.

Ugh.

[Paleo Conservative]

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Val. This project is a pipe dream (and possibly just another pro-Replacement propaganda exercise) considering that the mtDNA supposedly from Neandertal cells amounted to fewer than 400 base pairs out of a presumed original 16,000 base pairs.

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[mlc9852]

I thought it explained John Kerry and Howard Dean.

[Rocket1968]

Still alive and well in the democratic wing of the democratic party and assorted citizens of Hollywood and Rio Linda.

[JACKRUSSELL]

Now they're trying to clone liberals...the lengths to which they'll go to get more Democrat voters.

[Redleg Duke]

Great, more liberals.

[Vaquero]

'What better way to INVENT the missing link to a flawed and failed THEORY that has become twisted fact in the minds of so many around the world. Don't have the facts...INVENT them and say "Oh yes, this is what it would have looked like!"'........ ..... .... Wow! do you realise how ignorant you sound? Yours is the science of the supersticious, desert wandering, bronze age, goat herding, sandle wearers who wrote the 'science book' you base your 'theories' on.

[My2Cents]

Do a Google search of "Neanderthal" and one will find this recent representation of a Neanderthal child --

The representation almost looks "human." I suspect most of what folks "know" about Neanderthals is from the brutish, lowbrow, hairy, savage that artists have chosen to draw.

[NormsRevenge]

Neanderthal. Take yur pick. Been there done that. ;-)

[ICE-FLYER]

I'm sorry, I'm not up on the latest techniques and technologies involved in gene sequencing. You've obviously uncovered serious technical issues with them, and I'd be interested in your findings.

Yes, I know, I am not a genetic scientist or engineer therefore I am discredited and not able to have my opinion on the matter? While you’re posting me to expose my lack of expertise here you are also missing out on the point I make. I do not trust that useful or valid information will flow from this other than to support a failed and flawed theory.

[Junior]

Paranoia rears its ugly head.

[Calpernia]

>>>>German and U.S. scientists have launched a project to reconstruct the Neanderthal genome...

????

Kill it!

Society needs not to be exposed to anymore of my ex boyfriends.

[ICE-FLYER]

Wow! do you realise how ignorant you sound? Yours is the science of the supersticious, desert wandering, bronze age, goat herding, sandle wearers who wrote the 'science book' you base your 'theories' on.

...Wow do you know how you sound here? I will reply to you as I did to another on this thread, Yes, I know, I am not a genetic scientist or engineer therefore I am discredited and not able to have my opinion on the matter? While you’re posting me to expose my lack of expertise here you are also missing out on the point I make. I do not trust that useful or valid information will flow from this other than to support a failed and flawed theory.

Good luck in your ever so delicate approach to a persons opinion.

[MississippiMan]

Wow! do you realise how ignorant you sound? Yours is the science of the supersticious, desert wandering, bronze age, goat herding, sandle wearers who wrote the 'science book' you base your 'theories' on.

There's something ironic about attacking someone else's intelligence when you can't compose two plain-English sentences without multiple errors. I saw another example on here a few days ago, when someone was talking about how hard it would be for the "flat-earther" state of Kansas to "attact" high quality students who could think "rationaly."

If you want to dispute something, why not try it with discussion? It beats throwing darts at someone else's intelligence and revealing your own lack of it in the process.

MM

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

"Neanderthal Genome May Be Reconstructed"

Not necessary, already exists. Look at all the ego freaks who took an excess of steroids, then note their facial characteristics of Neanderthals?

[Constitution Day]

Mongo only pawn in Game of Life.

[TXBSAFH]

They are not big enough.

[My2Cents]

Your comments are hardly helpful.

[SunkenCiv]

The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

[Modernman]

Look at all the ego freaks who took an excess of steroids, then note their facial characteristics of Neanderthals?

That's more likely from human growth hormones. Those lead to calcium deposits in various parts of the body, including the forehead.

[SunkenCiv]

Not to mention the mistake in the tagline.

[SunkenCiv]

The probable purpose to the project is to create more phony support for Replacement. It doesn't have anything to do with a "missing link".

It's interesting that the abuse still heaped on Neandertal (and it's seen in rhetoric equating living people with the Neandertal, including messages on this thread) was created in the 19th century by a champion of stasis (vs evolutionary change).

Ted Kennedy once characterized as "antiquated and Neanderthal" (I think that's the quote) congressional opposition to women in combat. I think he was hoping there'd be a lot of future, coed combat involving river crossings.

[corkoman]

What better way to INVENT the missing link to a flawed and failed THEORY that has become twisted fact in the minds of so many around the world. Don't have the facts...INVENT them and say "Oh yes, this is what it would have looked like!"

As a scientist with faith in Him may I please ask you to stop making an ass of yourself. Why is it that those who profess having the GIFT of faith are so terrified by the incremental attainment of knowledge (not necessarily wisdom) about the nature of the universe that He made...

You must really underestimate the Maker if you think he didn't put enough English on the cue ball to set all this in motion in one Big Bang. You belittle Him by implying that He must run just behind the bicycle and adjust it every 3 feet or else the universe will tip over, scratch its knees and cry.

The Maker I know is so incomprehensibly bright that He imbued this creation with an ability to adapt through mutation to a changing environment.

[SunkenCiv]

[elephant noises] ROFLMAO!

[orionblamblam]

> The representation almost looks "human."

It's also very, very white (I thought it looked like a mildly cute Irish girl with a broad nose). One wonders whether the "Tut was a black man!" crowd will decide they'd rather Neanderthals were white, black, brown or "other."

[mlc9852]

You're not alone - I totally agree with you.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

I do not trust that useful or valid information will flow from this other than to support a failed and flawed theory.

I doubt Creationism or Intelligent Design will get any boost from this.

[Little Bill]

Except for the bow lips and flat bridge on the nose looks like me when I was a kid, my hair was redder though closer to my daughter except for the nose and freckles.

[My2Cents]

I don't know why the artist chose red hair, but the freckles and light skin are probably from the discovery of Neanderthal remains in northern Europe. The point, I think, is that those that study these things tend to impose their own prejudices upon what they are studying, particularly in how they repesent what they looked like.