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CA: Panel rejects illegal immigration measures (Border Police and denial of benefits for illegals)
AP - Contra Costa Times ^ | Jul. 06, 2005 | Steve Lawrence

Posted on 07/06/2005 10:32:10 AM PDT by calcowgirl

SACRAMENTO - An Assembly committee on Tuesday rejected proposed constitutional amendments seeking to deny a series of benefits to illegal immigrants and create a state border police force, but both could resurface next year as ballot initiatives.

The Judiciary Committee voted 4-2 to turn down an amendment by Assemblyman Mark Wyland, R-Vista, that would prevent illegal immigrants from receiving any health care or social services not required by federal law.

The committee also voted 5-2 to reject an amendment by Assemblyman Ray Haynes, R-Temecula, that would create a state border police force to supplement federal efforts to enforce immigration laws, including the ban on hiring illegal immigrants.

Republican lawmakers said illegal immigration costs California $9 billion to $10 billion a year in areas such as education, health care and incarceration and that the federal government is not controlling the borders.

"The federal government has just abandoned state and local governments and is doing a terrible job on this" Assemblyman Tom Harman, R-Huntington Beach, said in support of the Wyland measure. "Something needs to be done. This is the right step in the right direction."

Opponents said both measures raised constitutional questions, that they could actually increase state costs and that the two lawmakers should be complaining to President Bush about inadequate immigration enforcement.

"If there's a need for greater security, that's a need the federal administration should be taking on," said Judiciary Committee chairman Dave Jones, D-Sacramento.

Haynes said California officials should "quit whining about the federal government doing their job and actually get about the business of doing our job -- protecting the safety, health and, quite frankly, the pocketbook of the people of the state of California."

The committee rejected the proposals along party lines. To take effect, constitutional amendments require a two-thirds majority vote in both houses of the Legislature and then must be approved by voters.

Haynes and Wyland said there would be efforts to put their proposals, or similar ones, on the ballot next year as initiatives. Such a step could re-ignite the heated debate over immigration that was triggered by Proposition 187 of 1994.

Voters approved Prop. 187, which was a broader ban on social services for illegal immigrants than Wyland's legislation, but a federal court subsequently ruled most of it unconstitutional. Wyland predicted it would have been upheld if then-Gov. Gray Davis had pursued an appeal.

Wyland said he was "absolutely certain" his legislation would be upheld if challenged in the courts, but Jones said it had "serious constitutional defects."

Opponents also challenged Haynes' contention that federal law and court rulings would allow California to set up its own force of immigration police.

Hayes said he envisioned a force of about 1,700 officers that could supplement federal efforts to prevent illegal immigrants from crossing the Mexican border, as well as arresting illegal immigrants who succeed in entering the state.

He said there is no federal enforcement once illegal immigrants get passed the border.

Opponents questioned where the deficit-plagued state would get the money to pay for the extra officers and said immigration police could jeopardize the relationship between local officers and immigrant communities.

"The solution is not to create a new border patrol," Francisco Estrada, director of public policy for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, told the committee.

What is needed instead, he said, is "comprehensive immigration reform" that would clear up a visa backlog and allow a legal immigrant work force.

Wyland said his legislation would bar the state from providing nonemergency medical care for illegal immigrants. It also would make them ineligible for retirement benefits, welfare, disability benefits, unemployment benefits, and housing and food assistance, according to an Assembly analysis of the legislation.

The measure also would prohibit the state from issuing driver's licenses or state identification cards to illegal immigrants, bar attempts to allow them to vote, deny them a break on tuition at public colleges and universities, and require voters to show proof of citizenship at the polls.

A bill by state Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, that would allow illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses has passed the Senate and is awaiting a hearing in the Assembly Appropriations Committee.

Wyland said his proposal would eliminate incentives for illegal immigrants to come to California, but Jones said jobs are the real lure.

"Until business organizations get serious about increasing sanctions on employers who hire people illegally, people are going to continue to come across the border," Jones said.

Opponents said the Wyland amendment could boost health costs by denying preventive care to illegal immigrants and would raise equal protection questions by denying benefits to the U.S. citizen children of those immigrants.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderpolice; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; rayhaynes

1 posted on 07/06/2005 10:32:11 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
In article posted at WND.com: More Data on the Dems Rejecting ANY attempt to halt illegal immigration

R-Ray Haynes says:

Haynes said California officials should "quit whining about the federal government doing their job and actually get about the business of doing our job – protecting the safety, health and quite frankly the pocketbook of the people of the state of California."

At end of the article:

Opponents said the Wyland amendment could boost health costs by denying preventive care to illegal immigrants and would raise equal protection questions by denying benefits to the U.S. citizen children of those immigrants.

Pure "implied threat" from the dems.

2 posted on 07/06/2005 10:37:07 AM PDT by Alia
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To: calcowgirl
There was no way this was going to get through the Democratically controlled legislature. I believe the the the people that proposed this law plan to put this on the ballot in 06.
3 posted on 07/06/2005 10:37:57 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Alia

Then they deserve that 9 billion dollars in medical and educational costs they keep crying about.


4 posted on 07/06/2005 10:39:16 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: calcowgirl

Oh, the c'Rats are very concerned about the security of our borders,, I'm sure they want the illegals issue resolved to the betterment of all the citizens of this state and nation.

Their refusal to even try to do much at all is indicative of the way this state is headed, unfortunately.

No Sanity, No Hope.

WASS


5 posted on 07/06/2005 10:40:08 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: Uncle Hal; kellynla

Let's get the petitions rolling!


6 posted on 07/06/2005 10:40:44 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

BTTT


7 posted on 07/06/2005 10:43:22 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: calcowgirl

There is an intiative proposal circulating to establish the California Border Police.
Link: http://caag.state.ca.us/initiatives/pdf/SA2005RF0079.pdf


8 posted on 07/06/2005 10:48:48 AM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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To: calcowgirl

This really sucks. It is indicative of a state controlled by power-centric radical leftists that ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN THEIR OWN EMPOWERMENT through the vote. They do not care what it costs, what it destroys, who it hurts. They are so sick with maintaining power, they will sink our entire state...they are absolutely MAD with power-lust.


9 posted on 07/06/2005 10:51:11 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: calcowgirl

Californian has probably 4 million or more illegal aliens. This equates to about 5 or 6 US representatives for the state for which they are not entitled and also skews the way the state districts are laid out. Guess which way those representatives lean.


10 posted on 07/06/2005 10:54:04 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


11 posted on 07/06/2005 10:58:57 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: calcowgirl

When terrorists cross the Rio Grande and blow up several thousands of Californians, or more, will the assembly think they should have done more to protect the border and stop luring illegals into the country with free health care, free education, free this and that? I wouldn't count on it. Stupid is as stupid does.


12 posted on 07/06/2005 11:02:49 AM PDT by hershey
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To: EagleUSA
Yeah, and then there is our Chief Executive, part of whose job description is border enforcement, who is valiantly working to stem the tide of illegal immigration...

Er... he IS working on it isn't he?

*crickets*

13 posted on 07/06/2005 11:13:39 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Americanexpat

"Then they deserve that 9 billion dollars in medical and educational costs they keep crying about."

The Democrats aren't crying about it, they just want to keep raising taxes to pay for it.


14 posted on 07/06/2005 11:27:13 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: afnamvet
There is an intiative proposal circulating to establish the California Border Police.
Link: http://caag.state.ca.us/initiatives/pdf/SA2005RF0079.pdf

Thanks! That is worth a repeat.
I'll start collecting friends and family.

15 posted on 07/06/2005 11:47:00 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl; BurbankKarl; lainie

Thanks! Pings to Karl & lainie.


16 posted on 07/06/2005 11:54:01 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: hershey

Will the caucasian Californians awaken after LaRaza and the other separatist Mexican groups begin their violence against whites, as almost occured in Baldwin Park? It will begin someday soon, as their rhetoric is becoming more strident and demanding.

We will see when the time comes.


17 posted on 07/06/2005 12:01:28 PM PDT by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Er... he IS working on it isn't he?
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Sadly, he and his father have been / are major contributors to protecting the illegal flow of aliens into this country and protecting them while they are here. Remember his father signed the legislation that protects "voters" from being asked any questions about their origin or citizenship IF AND ONLY IF, THEY PRESENT A DRIVER'S LICENSE, EVEN IF IT IS OBVIOUSLY FAKE!!!

Washington, DC is now full of these types of committed politicians ---


18 posted on 07/06/2005 12:23:59 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Brad's Gramma

You're welcome. Bump! ;-)


19 posted on 07/06/2005 12:29:44 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: gubamyster

The Bushjr plan is on schedule.
The next step is Alberto Gonzales on the Supreme Court.
Three more years.
God help the USA !


20 posted on 07/06/2005 12:30:25 PM PDT by CharlieChan
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


21 posted on 07/06/2005 1:55:39 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: hershey
"When terrorists cross the Rio Grande and blow up several thousands of Californians, or more..."

My guess is that if they cross at the Rio Grande, we won't have to worry about them in California... ;o)

22 posted on 07/06/2005 5:06:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Athiest and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: calcowgirl
I am a 60 yr old hard working legal woman in this country, I have worked my whole life,self supported my 4 kids with no child support or welfare, my youngest son stayed with my oldest son less than a year in 1988 as I was so down & out at the time I lived in woods for awhile. My son went to welfare to get medical for a root canal, they talked them into all the benefits, my younger son NEVER got the root canal, and the State of California has ruined my life her in Nevada by hounding me into court, taking my drivers license, etc to pay back the unnecessary $2,000(now + interest) and the illegals are getting HOW MUCH that does not have to be paid back?????I would call THAT discrimination & if I could find someone to sue for me I would do it and maybe that would get enough national attention to finally wake Washington up...thank you
23 posted on 07/13/2005 6:11:51 PM PDT by pd12345 (Who is being discriminated against, legals or illegals???)
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To: pd12345

Thanks for sharing your experience, and Welcome to FR. If the country and state would crack down on illegal immigration and stop handing out taxpayer dollars to citizens of other countries, think of all the money available to help the hardworking legal US citizens (immigrants and native born) who need some help once in a while. Best wishes in working out your legal problems.


24 posted on 07/13/2005 6:19:04 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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