Posted on 07/07/2005 6:03:57 AM PDT by Irontank
Edited on 07/07/2005 6:16:31 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Just 23 weeks after the second inauguration of the 43rd president, someone who aims to be the 44th came here for the annual luncheon of the New Hampshire Federation of Republican Women. It was a target-rich environment for George Allen.
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Allen/Giuliani '08
George Allen PING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, he forgot one...Virginia's got a pretty strong claim on Woodrow Wilson. Granted, sometimes we like to forget that claim, but still, it can't be ignored. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Tyler, Wilson...not too bad a track record overall for the Old Dominion.
I'd vote for Allen in a heartbeat from what I've heard so far, but November 2008 is still a long way off and a lot can change yet.
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My opinion of the 08 race of different that George Will's.I wish Allen well with his 06 race,I do not think his 08 frontrunner status will last. Social Conservatives do not like Allen's position on Life. Fiscal Conservatives do not like his support for Medicare and NCLB. McCain will get to the right of him fiscally and Brownback,Frist, and Santorum will get to the right of him Socially.Some conservatives are troubled be Allen's inability to go out of his way to recruit any conservatives in the 06 Senate races.If Haley Barbour gets in the race that further cuts into Allen's right of center poltical establishment support.Allen is the front runner , but it will not last. I expect a darkhorse conservative to emerge.For now,I hope Allen steps up and leads in the Senate and demands a conservative supreme court Justice.
President Allen ping.
I caught that as well. Wilson was born here. Thankfully he moved away.
Allen's OK, but I don't buy that he's all that libertarian. He also has questionable views on abortion IIRC.
Granted, he's far and away better than Frist, McCain, or Giuliani. I still prefer Mike Pence. Allen also is too much of a "beltway" boy. I fear he'd get elected on one premise but govern under another.
Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Tyler...Virginia has great reason to be proud...I wouldn't be bragging about Wilson though :)
...unfortunately, many people associate Wilson with my state of NJ...I then have to point out that only the great Grover Cleveland is a true NJ native
I've yet to figure out the fascination with Allen. When he was governor he wasn't exactly considered the brightest bulb in the pack, even by a fair number of his own party members.
OH FOR THE BAZILLIONTH TIME ENOUGH OF THAT NONSENSE!!!
Allen's voting record and rating by the pro-life groups is as near perfect as you can get. He may have personal opinions that aren't 100% "pro-life" but his voting record can't be challenged. NRTL rates him at 100% good. NARAL rates him at 100% bad.
As for your opinion, you're entitled to be wrong.
Pure BS.
I know. I was there.
Allen's intelligence is not what concerns me.He seems like a good and decent guy.What deeply disturbs me is his voting record.The Medicare entitlement bill is the BIGGEST mistake in the history of the GOP and NO Child Left Behind is Educational Socialism pure and simple.I wish Allen would explain why he voted for these huge bills.
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Have you asked him? I've never known him to dodge a question in the 20 years since I first met him.
I sort of liked Allen at first.
I'm not that keen on him now.
Assuming a real conservative like Pence doesn't run, I think Barbour has got to do it. I will continue to say good things generally about both Romney and Allen. But let's face it. Neither of these guys are going to shrink the size of government.
I lived in Staunton, Virginia for eight years - from 1967 to 1976. I do not remember too many things named Wilson in Stuanton. Please refresh my memory.
Allen's failure to take on the Sr Senator of Va more often is going to hurt him. Werner is a RINO of the first order and Allen should have lit him up more often than he has.
George and Condi!
Come now, democrats have been questioning republicans intelligence since eisenhower, the only exception was Nixon becuase they couldn't exactly call him stupid and Tricky Dick at the same time. Members of his own party quesioning his intelligence were the squishy moderates he probably made uncomfortable.
Perkins was more reserved about Sen. George Allen
(R-Va.). "I like George -- he has a very good
personality," Perkins said. But he added, "I have not
seen him out front providing a lot of leadership on a
number of core issues that conservatives care about."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/18/AR2005061800859.\
html?referrer=email&referrer=email
Amen, FRiend...
We CAN do it. First thing is to shed the "but he's only a Congressman" attitude. The Dems do NOT expect a guy like Pence in 2008. They expect either their buddy McCain, Giuliani, or the uninteresting and vulnerable Frist. Pence would blow them away, and he'll win in a landslide of 1980esque proportions.
You don't know that Allen wont shrink the size of government, he did a pretty good job in virginia. Part of the blame lies at the feet of congress and the senate because of all the riduclous shennanigans that go on due to career politicians. I think someone like pence would be better served staying in the house and trying to hold the leadership's feet to the fire. As much as gipper may cheer and blush from the stands here in free republic a 3 term congressman isn't going to win the presidential nomination.
I'd prefer to let him speak for himself, but I believe his line of thinking is to look at it when life could be scientifically proven (thus the brainwaves comment).
That said, you continue to ingore the fact that he has consistently been given high marks by the pro-life groups. As well as the fact that he fought against partial-birth abortion, he elimnated insurance funding of abortions for state employees and he signed Virginia's parental notification law.
Look at how he has voted on the life issues. He has been as consistent as any conservative leader we've had.
Dislike him for other issues if you must. The life issue should not be a concern with George Allen.
Welcome to FRee Republic. Is the Pence campaign recruiting FReepers today?
You haven't been paying attention. Senator Allen has challenged Senator Warner (not Werner) on key issues. Allen was most outspoken on the RINO betrayal on judicial nominations.
1) who is Perkins?
2) your link is bad
Nope, gotta disagree on that one.
Tony Perkins is the head of the Family Research Council. He will play a prominent role in who Social conservatives(establishment) support ($$$$) in 08. It would appear that he is soft behind Frist. Others (Christian right) are soft behind Brownback.The Christian right conservative grassroots are starting to line up behind Pence. There is not a lot of support from the Christian right going to Allen.This is mainly because of his position on life and the fact that he said he would consider allowing his daughter to have an abortion.
OK, I know who Perkins is.
As for the Christian conservative grassroots behind Pence, how's President Bauer workin' out for ya?
And I suppose you have a quote from Senator Allen about his daughter?
Can you believe the gloom and doomers with their lies that have struck this thread -- Sen Allen is definitely a serious candidate with these whiners around. Senator Allen spoke about his pro-life commitment when he was here in Oklahoma for our Convention. He is a fiscal conservative, pro-gun rights, social conservative, and rated highly by Senator Inhofe who I have hunch would not be conservative enough for these naysayers!
I am tired of lies posted as facts by some folks on here and yet expect everyone to believe them because they have older sign-up dates so they must know what they are talking about. I have an older sign-up date and know for a fact I am seeing the same crap I saw in 1999 against Pres Bush when he announced he was running. Why post facts when you can do rumors or outright lies?
Once the campaign starts, titles won't matter. The best man will win.
It does get tiresome, doesn't it?
I wouldn't mind so much if they'd criticize him for something factual.
Some of you overestimate the reach of Bauer and some of these groups whose leaders would rather take money from honest conservatives than actually accomplish anything. Remind me recently of snake oil salesmen from their emails.
Senator Allen was a huge hit here at our Oklahoma GOP Convention where I would guess 99.99% of attendees were social conservatives but no one I know wants Bauer around any candidate.
Forget Giuliani!!
Forget him!!!
He's a northeastern liberal RINO - pro-affirmative action, pro-illegal aliens, anti-Second Amendment and with a long track record of not supporting other Republicans. Furthermore, he is strong on gay rights.
He's no good.
Not talking about Bauer- I think he likes your guy
Yeah.
He moved to New Jersey - where he probably belonged.
Woodrow Wilson was a truly SOPHOMORIC individual in every sense of that term.
A liberal who was also a racist, a warmonger who lost the peace, and an overly erudite individual devoid of any concept of normal human motivation.
Virginia's gain was New Jersey's loss.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420497/posts?page=262#262
Copyright 1993 American Political Network, Inc.
The Hotline
July 20, 1993
SECTION: CAMPAIGNS OF '93
LENGTH: 280 words
HEADLINE: VIRGINIA GOVERNOR: ALLEN CLARIFIES HIS ABORTION STANCE
BODY:
Under header, "Allen Says Some Abortions Should Be Allowed,"
W. POST's Baker writes, ex-Rep. George Allen (R), "responding to
criticism that his position on abortion is 'multiple choice,'"
said that "although he generally opposes terminating pregnancies,
he would not rule out an early abortion for his daughter if she
became pregnant." Ex-AG Mary Sue Terry (D), in their first
debate, accused Allen of "waffling on the emotional issue."
During a lunch with W. POST staff members, Allen "repeated his
contention that scientists eventually may be able to determine
when a fetus becomes a living being and after that date,
abortions should be banned." But Allen did not rule out the
possibility of an abortion in his own family, "though he was
quick to note that the question of his daughter, Tyler, is highly
theoretical": "She's only 5 years old. At this point, she enjoys
picking blackberries." Allen endorsed the idea of parental
notification before minor daughters can have abortions. He also
favors "requiring a 24-hour waiting period for all abortions so
that women can receive information about adoption and the dangers
of abortion" (7/20).
It gets real tiresome -- they post rumors and lies on purpose. This is like 1999/2000 all over again where you find yourself defending an honorable man against lies being told.
Reminds me also of the Democrat Carson campaign here in Oklahoma against Dr. Tom Coburn. All Dr. Tom did was refute lies along with the rest of us posting all over the place the facts against the lies. BTW Clintonites ran the Carson campaign and I am beginning to wonder about here since I am seeing the same crap once again! It is uncanny how similar the comments are to the Coburn campaign and to those back in 1999/2000. :(
Just keep pinging me and I will keep helping you and others refute. I didn't give into these type of comments in the 2000 election, in 2002, in the Coburn race, and I am not about to give up this time on Senator Allen.
Zachary Taylor is missing from your list.
Dear Gipper08,
To restrict abortion to the first trimester requires overturning Roe.
If Sen. Allen is willing to commit wholeheartedly to that goal (which for a president means nominating Supreme Court Justices who will vote to vacate this enormity of judicial usurpation), then I can support him.
It is a necessary step.
sitetest
Well, I know there's a Woodrow Wilson Parkway, I think there's a Woodrow Wilson High School as well.
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The only way that Roe is overturned is that when we get enough justices on the Supreme Court to do it.. The President does not have the authority to do it..
If you're going to run around bashing George Allen you should figure out that he's not the NRSC chair this cycle.
How's that "career political activist" -> ie career politician / lawyer that you want to be president? Is he paying you enough these days?
Dear Gipper08,
I agree - I want an explicit commitment to overturn Roe.
However, there is definitely an implicit commitment in his expressed views. You can't restrict abortion to the first trimester, which is Sen. Allen's stand, if you don't overturn Roe. The Black-Robed Tyrants have made certain of that.
The question to be put to him must be, "Sen. Allen, you've stated that you believe abortion should generally be illegal after the first 8 or 12 weeks of pregnancy. To restrict abortion in that manner requires overturning Roe. Are you committed to that outcome?"
sitetest
Dear KevinDavis,
It is the president who nominates Supreme Court Justices.
Without a president committed to overturning Roe by appointing Justices who will follow the Constitution and overthrow the judicial enormity of Roe, we will not ever see it happen.
The president has a whole lot to do with it.
However, we also have to elect US Senators willing to take the ride, as well.
sitetest
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