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Gov. Bush touts Christian-based program for schools [FL ACLU criticizes All-Pro Dad program]
Palm Beach Post ^ | July 06, 2005 | Dara Kam

Posted on 07/08/2005 6:49:24 AM PDT by summer

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To: Protagoras

The problem I have with Libertarian type thinkers is they ignore the fact that government already controls education and spends thousands of dollars promoting anti-relgious doctrine. Then when one dollar is spent that promotes a religious view, Libertarians come out of the woodwork and cry what a dangerous policy it is. Most Libertarians come across to me as anti-Christian bigots.


61 posted on 07/08/2005 9:35:28 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: what's up
Yep. And there are plenty of people who like political dynasties. It makes them feel safe.

It's just a feeling though.

62 posted on 07/08/2005 9:37:01 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Protagoras
And there are plenty of people who like political dynasties

And there are plenty who don't. Just pointing out that your scenario of "crowning" won't take place.

63 posted on 07/08/2005 9:39:52 AM PDT by what's up
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To: traviskicks
but rather, "Why are they staying away?" and "What is causing this problem already?"

I agree with you, as those questions are good questions. Now, why do you think fathers stay away? I will give some of the reasons I have come across, as I am not sure how many of those reasons would change as a result of what else you wrote. Beyond divorce (and some divorced men very much want to be part of their kids' lives), here's some of the "reasons" for absentee fathers that I know of:

1) No one has ever figured out who the father of the child actually is. Birth certificate says "father unknown." Mother was raped or had multiple partners.

2) No one expects the father to marry the mother of the child. The mother and father were just "hooking up." The kid was an accident.

3) The father does not marry THIS mother, since the dad has fathered kids with multple women. He remains single.

4) The dad is out of the picture and not married to the mother, and the dad's current address is jail, or his current address is unknown.

5) The father of the child was, himself, raised by a single mom, and does not know how to be a father, and is afraid of this new role, and so abandons the mother and child.

6) The father feels no responsibility to the kid. This includes celebrity dads' kids, as some of these wealthy men have to be dragged into court and forced by court order to pay child support. There is never any "family" structure for the kid in terms of having a father around.

7) Etc.
64 posted on 07/08/2005 9:45:41 AM PDT by summer
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To: Always Right
The problem I have with Libertarian type thinkers

I am not a Libertarian. I am a libertarian. And the problem I have with authoritarian type thinkers is that they ignore that past mistakes can be fixed by not making the mistakes anymore.

And I haven't ignored anything like you allege, in fact I have addressed precisely your point.

Then when one dollar is spent that promotes a religious view, Libertarians come out of the woodwork and cry what a dangerous policy it is.

Government should not be involved in religion. And anyone who cares about their religion would never under any circumstanses allow government to take over their religion by imposing itself upon them.

Most Libertarians come across to me as anti-Christian bigots.

I guess you don't get out much.

65 posted on 07/08/2005 9:46:48 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: what's up
Crowning will not take place in 2008. Rather, we will go thru an electoral process.

That's what I thought happens in the USA! Thanks! :)
66 posted on 07/08/2005 9:47:11 AM PDT by summer
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To: what's up
And there are plenty who don't. Just pointing out that your scenario of "crowning" won't take place.

I suspect you are correct. I just want to keep the point fresh.

67 posted on 07/08/2005 9:48:00 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Always Right

Re your post #61 - Thanks for your post here. Good luck dealing with that idiot who wrote you back. Best to ignore him.


68 posted on 07/08/2005 9:49:34 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer
Re your post #61 - Thanks for your post here. Good luck dealing with that idiot who wrote you back. Best to ignore him.

Solid advice.

69 posted on 07/08/2005 9:53:45 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Did I say "idiot" in my last post? I meant to say something else. However, I won't say it here.


70 posted on 07/08/2005 9:53:59 AM PDT by summer
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To: Always Right

LOL...I'll tell you, I try to be nice to everyone -- I really do. But there are times when it's best to just let cerain posters be. Be left alone, that is! :)


71 posted on 07/08/2005 9:54:44 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer

Please refrain from personal attacks. It is counter to posting guidelines.


72 posted on 07/08/2005 9:56:13 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: summer

The premise of the program sounds good.

But it shouldn't be funded by taxpayer dollars.


73 posted on 07/08/2005 9:56:31 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: summer

Government will never solve the problem of absentee fathers. And it really shouldn't.


74 posted on 07/08/2005 9:58:03 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: Protagoras
I just want to keep the point fresh

Not a good justification for innacurate statements.

75 posted on 07/08/2005 9:58:14 AM PDT by what's up
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To: k2blader
The premise of the program sounds good. But it shouldn't be funded by taxpayer dollars.

I have made the same point quite a few times in this thread. Prepare to be called names.

76 posted on 07/08/2005 9:58:56 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: what's up
Not a good justification for innacurate statements.

I made no inaccurate statement. I guess my error was in thinking that people could recognize sarcasm without the little tag.

77 posted on 07/08/2005 10:01:22 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Protagoras
I made no inaccurate statement.

Just one about Jeb Bush being "crowned".

78 posted on 07/08/2005 10:04:56 AM PDT by what's up
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To: ohioman

Protagoras is the opposite of liberal, trust me.

BTW, clean up your language.


80 posted on 07/08/2005 10:08:52 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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