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Re Gov Jeb Bush, Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida, said:

"From vouchers, from faith-based initiatives, to the nation's first faith-based prisons, this governor has a blind spot when it comes to the constitutional requirement on separation of church and state..."

I actually think this ACLU spokesperson was trying to be dilplomatic when saying Gov Jeb Bush has a "blind spot," because the rhetoric in this state has often been a lot worse against Gov Bush -- yet Gov Bush's approval ratings with FL voters remain high.

I often conclude there is a major "blind spot" with the ACLU and others opposed to Gov Bush, because my thought is alwasy this: Well, if you don't like THAT program, what is your BETTER suggestion?

And, it seems there is never is one from them. They spend so much time and energy criticizing him, but Gov Bush is the only one putting something on the table. I think this is why so many FL voters like Gov Bush.

The other day I read a NYT column by liberal op-ed writer Bob Herbert, and Herbert, surprisingly to me at least, took a very Bill Cosby-like stand on the issue of absent black fathers in black families, as Herbert bemoaned the lack of fathers in black families in this country. Well, how are you going to reach these people? Bob Herbert didn't have any suggestions. At least Gov Bush does.


NYT Op-Ed Columnist Bob Herbert

Dad's Empty Chair by Bob Herbert

Published July 7, 2005

Excerpt:

...Kids who grow up without a father never experience that special sense of security and the enhanced feeling of belonging that come from having a father in the home. So they seek it elsewhere. They don't get that sweet feeling of triumph that comes from a father's approval, or the warmth of the old man's hug, or the wisdom to be drawn from his discipline.

I don't have the statistics to prove it, but black kids would be tremendously better off if the cultural winds changed and more fathers felt the need to come home.
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1 posted on 07/08/2005 6:49:24 AM PDT by summer
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To: Joe Brower; Born Conservative

FYI.


2 posted on 07/08/2005 6:50:06 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer

I love President Bush. Too bad he can't run again.


3 posted on 07/08/2005 6:51:19 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: kenth; CatoRenasci; Marie; PureSolace; Congressman Billybob; P.O.E.; cupcakes; Amelia; Dianna; ...

5 posted on 07/08/2005 6:53:52 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: summer

dunno. I think Bush is one of the best governors in the nation and has passed great charter school legislation that should be expanded further, but the idea of having religion in the classroom is antithetical to the idea of the separation of church and state. I don't mind having the ten commandments in schools or courthouses, but this reminds me of George Bush's 'faith based' intiatives, an act which puts religion at danger of being influenced by government. Government destroys nearly everything it touches so religion must be sanctified from the clutches of government. I don't think this is a good thing. If you have good charter school legislation then no one can complain about what their kids are taught in school.


Its [the Establishment Clause] first and most immediate purpose rested on the belief that a union of government and religion tends to destroy government and to degrade religion...
-Justice Roy Black


18 posted on 07/08/2005 7:19:08 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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To: summer

Bob Herbert is an idiot.

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The New York Times, July 22, 1996

Op-Ed By BOB HERBERT

HEADLINE: In America; The Mouths of Babies

There is something very creepy about the welfare debate.

The politicians have gotten together and decided it's a good idea to throw a million or so children into poverty. But they can't say that. The proponents of this so-called "reform" effort have gone out of their way to avoid being seen for what they are -- men and women of extreme privilege who are taking food out of the mouths of infants and children, the poverty-stricken elderly, the disabled. (165)

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The New York Times, August 2, 1996

Op-Ed: By BOB HERBERT

HEADLINE: In America; Throw Them Out

They should have included, in this charade called welfare reform, instructions on how you actually get these useless elderly people out of their dwellings -- these blind people, and the men and women addled by Alzheimer's, and the ones disabled by strokes or cancer or heart disease. I'm talking about the elderly disabled immigrants who, by the grace of our President and a rabid Congress, are soon to be suddenly destitute. Paying rent will be out of the question, so they will have to be evicted. Do you get stretchers and carry them out of their homes and leave them at the curb, or do you wheel them out, or do you just drag them out? (165)

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Compare this hateful and inciteful rhetoric to these charts:
http://www.neoperspectives.com/summary.htm


19 posted on 07/08/2005 7:24:01 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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later read/pingout.


39 posted on 07/08/2005 8:12:56 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: thompsonsjkc; odoso; animoveritas; DaveTesla; mercygrace; Laissez-faire capitalist; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

The fact that many liberals don't understand the connection between the vast number of what used to be called broken families, and high levels of all kinds of miseries such as juvenile crime, drug use, promiscuity, and all manner of behavior and emotional problems shows that they either are terminally stupid, or they like the result somehow.

Furthers the breakdown of society to usher in the socialist revolution, or what? The only conclusion I can come to is they applaud the breakdown of the natural family for their own dark reasons.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.


49 posted on 07/08/2005 8:33:17 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: summer

The premise of the program sounds good.

But it shouldn't be funded by taxpayer dollars.


73 posted on 07/08/2005 9:56:31 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: summer
Liberals hate marriage, hate the family and hate fathers. No wonder the ACLU and Barry Lynn are violently oppposed to this program. Their church-state beef is just a smokescreen to divert attention from their fear that children will think positively of families and strong Dads. They can't abide it. And they wonder why they're on the outs in states like Florida.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
141 posted on 07/11/2005 6:08:54 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: summer
clearly has Christian overtones

Call it a "penumbra" and you're good to go.

142 posted on 07/11/2005 6:11:36 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: All
The ACLU is only looking for a way to tap into taxpayer pockets. By supporting a new bill recently introduced, you can help cut off taxpayer support of the ACLU:

Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005

Information here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1413875/posts

There you will find information about the bill, links to contact your congressmen and state representatives, and links to Stop the ACLU, among others.

143 posted on 07/16/2005 6:53:30 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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