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Hybrid vehicles threaten commuters' trip in the fast lane
San Diego Union -Tribune ^ | 7/8/05 | Brian Westley - AP

Posted on 07/08/2005 8:30:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge

It must have been really annoying when a flaw in the computer design caused the hybrids to shut down when they reached 50mph.


101 posted on 07/08/2005 2:25:05 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

It must have been really annoying when a flaw in the computer design caused the hybrids to shut down when they reached 50mph.

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tee hee hee.. a virus, perhaps? :)


102 posted on 07/08/2005 2:26:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: NormsRevenge

Seriously, Toyota had a huge recall on the Prius because it would just shut down when it reached 50mph.


103 posted on 07/08/2005 2:30:27 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

I heard of quite a few folks experiencing difficulties and the recall. Not good if it happened to ya in the fast lane. Ouch.


104 posted on 07/08/2005 2:32:10 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: Regulator
Open the diamond lanes, press automobile technology to reduce fuel consumption, and let the market take over.

Just how do you "press automobile technology" without interfering with a free market? It should be consumer, not government, pressure that increases demand for hybrid powerplants.

105 posted on 07/08/2005 2:35:14 PM PDT by TChris ("You tweachewous miscweant!" -- Elmer Fudd)
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To: TChris
It should be consumer, not government, pressure that increases demand for hybrid powerplants

Umm...what's your point, genius? That already happened with hybrids. They sell like hotcakes. And will continue to.

106 posted on 07/08/2005 4:00:28 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: longtermmemmory
The only thing I can see as advantageous regarding hybrids is the ability to recharge with braking energy.

That may amount to something on the third or fourth generation cars, but anyone buying one now is simply a guinnepig
107 posted on 07/08/2005 4:02:04 PM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenance (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: Charles Martel
I'll bet these people are going to really start screaming when the hybrid vehicles include a larger percentage of SUVs. Ford already has a hybrid version of the Escape on the dealers' lots, and others are sure to follow.

Impossible.
Every state HOV lane proposal limits the hybrids to those which get at least 46 mpg.
If hybrid SUVs get that kind of mileage, I'll buy two!

108 posted on 07/08/2005 4:26:02 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Regulator
The idiot idea known as the "Diamond Lanes" in California has shown itself to be a dismal failure.

A dismal failure has never stopped idiot bureaucrats from proposing more of the same.
I have worked with those morons up close and personal.

They'll just lie, cheat, steal, distort to keep throwing money at the problem.

What "counts" is good intentions, not results.

109 posted on 07/08/2005 4:29:47 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: keat
Two hybrids driven separately pollute more that one conventional Honda Civic with two passengers.

BS!

You are entitled to your opinion, but not to make up your own facts (or math).
I suppose you could force that to work if you choose the "right" hybrids. The one I drive generates less than half the pollution of the equivalent sized non-hybrid.

110 posted on 07/08/2005 4:36:43 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: rkhampton
BSmeisters always amuse me.
For 15 years, I drove a car weighing 800 pounds less which got 30 honest and constand miles per gallon.
After 3 years and 46,000 miles, I am averaging 47.3 mpg, 95% of those miles on Interstate 5 at speeds between 62 and 70 mph; in other words, pretty much highway speeds.

Rolling resistance and other BS notwithstanding, I am quite sure I am not hallucinating.

111 posted on 07/08/2005 4:42:52 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: keat
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about, do you.

How many "D" size cells do you use in 10 years?

112 posted on 07/08/2005 4:45:43 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: bmwcyle
That's wonderful!
Run along and tell your mommy, OK?
113 posted on 07/08/2005 4:47:09 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: B Knotts
The only hybrid that actually gets more than 45 mpg is the Honda Insight.

Exactly wrong.

114 posted on 07/08/2005 4:48:20 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Publius6961

I'm talking widespread real-world, not anecdotally.


115 posted on 07/08/2005 4:56:37 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Little Pig
That's because most haven't been on the road long enough. The design life of these batteries is in the 4-5 year range, though, so they will soon be coming in for replacement

Interesting math. The first Priuses started selling in 1997...
But what the hay. The facts may be wrong but the intention is in the right place.

116 posted on 07/08/2005 4:58:00 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Publius6961

Chill out dude. Go take a nap.


117 posted on 07/08/2005 5:06:34 PM PDT by keat (Posting code without previewing since 2004)
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To: B Knotts
Widespread real-world, the Prius is by far the highest selling hybrid; and they all get 46+ mpg; many get 55+

Nothing anecdotal about that. I have all the records on mine. After three years, I do have a few problems with the execution, but none concerning adequate power and mileage.

118 posted on 07/08/2005 5:11:38 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: keat
Chill out dude. Go take a nap.

What's the matter kid? Afraid to admit that you had no clue that the driving battery in the Prius consists of "D" sized cells?

119 posted on 07/08/2005 5:13:31 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Publius6961
Rolling resistance and other BS notwithstanding, I am quite sure I am not hallucinating.

I haven't yet exchanged comments with you on this thread, but since you mention something I said in one of my replies, you are obviously addressing me. Still I haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. I think this is more of a problem with cognitive dissonance or just plain reading comprehension, rather than BS.

120 posted on 07/08/2005 6:09:12 PM PDT by rkhampton
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To: Publius6961

The early Prius was a terrible seller. Only with the new design did they start moving off the showroom floor.


121 posted on 07/08/2005 6:27:28 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Publius6961

My mother is dead.


122 posted on 07/08/2005 8:24:19 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: NormsRevenge

My cars a hybrid born in 1965 it will run on leaded or unleaded where do i get my permit?


123 posted on 07/08/2005 8:43:24 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: Little Pig

which is useless in the real world. You just point out yet another flaw of FMVSS 218. They are designed to pass a set series of tests which have no resemblance to the real world. For examle a WWII steal army helmet will pass the FMVSS 218 tests promulgated by NHTSA and yet they don't call it an a valid helmet for FMVSS218 purposes.

In the real world forward momentum is a real impact issue. To say otherwise only invites liability.

Thankfully there are numerous lawsuits with jackpot results against helmet makers which fund many lawyers summer homes.


124 posted on 07/08/2005 8:57:35 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: B Knotts

IOW if you are RICH you get to buy da fancy car and pay for da fancy sticker.

So it is a rich person lane.

How do the CF democrats allow this. Oh wait Democrat politicians have insiders that give them their own sticker and then order the police to not give them tickets anyways.


125 posted on 07/08/2005 9:00:09 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: bannie

Ah the first Animal Farm reference!!!


126 posted on 07/08/2005 9:07:42 PM PDT by beaver fever
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To: Ditter

I am really enjoying my Prius. I drove a VW Passat (4 cyl. turbo) before this. The Prius is just as roomy inside (except the hatch is not nearly as big as the Passat's trunk). I am averaging just over 48 mpg since I bought my Prius in November. I have about 21K miles on it. The Passat got about 24 mpg, and used premium gas. The car is really cool and fun to drive. The touch screen monitor controls the stereo and climate control, as well as shows current gas mileage and other consumption information. The neatest thing about the car in everyday use is the smart key system. When the car is locked, it senses when you have the key near the car, and you don't have to use a key or press a button to unlock the doors, just grab the handle and it unlocks. Once in the car, leave the key in your pocket. The car "knows" you are there. Just push the power button and the car turns on. The car is very quiet. Once warmed up, it is completely silent at stop lights, and when driving slowly (up to about 35 mph for me). This can be fun in parking lots, where you can sneak up on people. There are lots of innovations in the Prius. A thermos-like container holds some of the warmed up coolant when you turn the car off, so the gas engine warms up faster when needed, and also provides immediate heat in the winter. The braking system recovers the energy lost during braking and uses it to charge the batteries, which also reduces wear on the brakes.
The only downside to the Prius is that you have to defend your conservative credentials because people think you are lib if you drive one. I am not big on bumper stickers, but I am thinking of putting a GOP or W sticker on the car somewhere, so people won't think I am a dem or greenie. I highly recommend the Prius.


127 posted on 07/09/2005 3:21:33 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Little Pig

You said: The design life of these batteries is in the 4-5 year range...

The Prius batteries are warranted for 8 years or 100K miles....


128 posted on 07/09/2005 3:22:36 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441

I am not ready to get a Prius, I don't even know what they look like, unless they are that boxy little car that I see occasionally. Thanks for you very thoughtful reply.


129 posted on 07/09/2005 7:58:50 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Little Pig
Prii have been sold commercially since 1997. I don't have the yearly sales figures handy, nor do I have a total number of units manufactured.

Panasonic's end of service criterion is degradation to 80% of rated capacity.

130 posted on 07/11/2005 10:19:53 AM PDT by Kretek (WPPFF)
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