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To: Frank_Discussion
instead of worrying about what we MUST do to win

Nothing, including you, is under my skin and I'm not maudlin.

Ultimately, the only way we will be able to stop the Islamofascists from succeeding in making sharia the law of the land in the United States - their stated goal - is to expell the Muslims. I don't see any other way around it. But I also don't think that could ever happen here. Even if it became politically acceptable, the ACLU and the courts would stop it.

It's not defeatism, I'm looking for the flaw in my analysis. I'd like to know how I'm wrong and how we're going to defeat Islam, particularly when we're unwilling to face the fact (as a Nation) that our enemy is Islam. Even if CAIR sincerely condemns the terrorist actions, the terrorists and CAIR have the same stated goal. Worldwide domination for their religion.

We can't, and won't, kill them all (though plenty here see that as a reasonable response). We can't, without in some way circumventing the liberties our Constitution provides to us, expell Muslims with the only cause being their beliefs.

We're fighting an enemy like none we've ever faced - even communism isn't the same as this. There needs to be some kind of strategy for an ultimate victory, and no one has that. We're not working toward a goal, and if we're going to win then we should be.

25 posted on 07/08/2005 10:15:38 AM PDT by SittinYonder (America is the Last Beach)
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To: SittinYonder

"I don't think they can be stopped."

An exact quote. From you. If that isn't maudlin and defeatist, I don't know what is.

Now, as for the other things you've said, I generally agree. Shocked?

"...expell the Muslims." It may come to that, it really may. It will take another 9/11 to go that far, but I think that would do it.

"Even if it became politically acceptable, the ACLU and the courts would stop it."

Wartime legislation is often decried, but is usually effective. We have to be careful with such things, though, because such power is hard to dissolve once it is democratically granted. THAT is the part that keeps martial law at bay.

"It's not defeatism, I'm looking for the flaw in my analysis."

Then don't state: "I don't think they can be stopped." It sure SOUNDS like you've given up. If you're looking for help I think you know FR is a good place to start.

"We're fighting an enemy like none we've ever faced - even communism isn't the same as this."

Then we're in agreement on that. However, a winning strategy is not found by glumly admitting defeat.

"There needs to be some kind of strategy for an ultimate victory, and no one has that. We're not working toward a goal, and if we're going to win then we should be."

Based on what you've already said, I think you already know the strategy is already being worked. We just have a fifth column trying to unwork it. During WWII, FDR couldn't have engineered victory (even with Truman's backbone at the very end) with the kind of domestic sniping President Bush has to endure now.

I agree that it takes more than faith to win a war, but you have to have that first.


28 posted on 07/08/2005 10:32:59 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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