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Aruban Leader Asks Navy to Help Find Girl
phillyburbs.com ^ | 07/08/05 | JEFFREY McMURRAY

Posted on 07/08/2005 10:52:00 AM PDT by nickcarraway

WASHINGTON - A Navy dive team that checked the waters off Iraq for explosives before the American invasion could be used in the search for a missing Alabama girl in Aruba, the country's prime minister says.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber made the request in a letter to Sen. Richard Shelby in response to the Alabama Republican's suggestion that Aruba give the FBI more authority in the search for Natalee Holloway.

In his letter, Oduber says he was made aware of the unit - known as Naval Special Clearing Team One - by a Texas dive team that has been helping to look for Holloway.

"I would like to request you to use your influence to gain this authorization for the deployment of this unit free of charge to Aruba as soon as possible," Oduber wrote in the letter, dated July 1.

Shelby forwarded the request to the Pentagon and State departments, but a Navy spokesman, Lt. Herb Josey, said Thursday there had been no formal diplomatic request for use of the team. He also questioned how useful the unit could be, since it specializes in covert exercises such as detecting and de-mining underwater explosives.

"I don't know why this team would be better than any other team, but they obviously have experience working underwater," said Lt. Herb Josey.

In an interview from London, Shelby said he hoped Oduber's request was a genuine bid to help the investigation and not retaliation for his complaints that Aruba's search was insufficient.

"We're not going to stop," Shelby said. "We want a professional investigation of what's going on down there. We're not going to look around and ignore what looks to be not a thorough, perhaps even a shoddy investigation."

Holloway disappeared May 30 in Aruba while celebrating her graduation from high school in Mountain Brook, Ala. Although three young men have been connected with her disappearance, none has been charged.

In Shelby's original letter last week asking for more FBI involvement, he called the Aruban investigation a "dead end."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Maryland; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: aruba; chum; sharkfood

1 posted on 07/08/2005 10:52:01 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

If her body has been in the water for more than a month, I can't believe there is much left of it.


2 posted on 07/08/2005 10:53:18 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: nickcarraway

If her body was in the water, then she's shark poop. Americans should boycott Aruba.


3 posted on 07/08/2005 10:56:18 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou

Absolutely. (Also smaller fish, too.) The Vandersloot boy's defense is secure, if his father is correct about "no body, no murder." The Halloways should, for their own sakes, pack up and come home--and then wage a steady war against U.S. tourism in Aruba. I'm afraid if they stay much longer, the Arubans will jail THEM--and we all know they can do that without charges. (Only difference is, the boy probably actually did commit a crime.)


4 posted on 07/08/2005 11:11:14 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: nickcarraway

Free of charge? Man, don't they get enough money from American tourists to at least pay for part of this? Turkeys.


5 posted on 07/08/2005 11:12:29 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Brilliant
If her body has been in the water for more than a month, I can't believe there is much left of it.

And if her body is on land, there won't be much left of it what with the heat, the humidity and the rains. I hate the thoughts of it.

6 posted on 07/08/2005 11:16:57 AM PDT by SheLion (Donate to Free Republic! Help keep our forum free!!!)
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To: MizSterious
The Vandersloot boy's defense is secure, if his father is correct about "no body, no murder." The Halloways should, for their own sakes, pack up and come home--and then wage a steady war against U.S. tourism in Aruba. I'm afraid if they stay much longer, the Arubans will jail THEM--and we all know they can do that without charges. (Only difference is, the boy probably actually did commit a crime.)

I agree.  They should go home.  I feel their grief, but the brothers are going to sue the Mom, and what if she ends up in jail without being "officially charged" for 60 days.  It could happen.

I hate their judicial system, but it's their way.  But she could end up in jail and this could get mighty ugly.

7 posted on 07/08/2005 11:19:11 AM PDT by SheLion (Donate to Free Republic! Help keep our forum free!!!)
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To: SheLion

It really is a wretched "justice" system. Makes you appreciate our own, even with all it's warts. (But there is plenty of room for improvement here--for instance, the Couey case brings to light the fact that with a technical flaw in the case, a confessed child-murdering, child molesting skank like that guy can actually walk free...)


8 posted on 07/08/2005 11:22:18 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Clara Lou

Sure.
And then what should happen to our own tourism industry?

I'm willing to bet more tourists (as a percentage) disappear or die in the US than in Aruba. Girl gets murdered by scumbags in Aruba. I fail to see how all of Aruba is at fault.


9 posted on 07/08/2005 11:28:37 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: nickcarraway

I think I'll write the Aruban PM and tell him of the wonderful success my dog Lassie has had in finding lost children around my neighborhood over the past 50 years.


10 posted on 07/08/2005 11:33:30 AM PDT by rabidralph (Stop surveilling--start arresting!)
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To: nickcarraway

I read somewhere that a medium might also be involved or trying to help, a Mary Ann Morgan.


11 posted on 07/08/2005 11:36:21 AM PDT by bwteim
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To: SJSAMPLE
I fail to see how all of Aruba is at fault.
Really? There's supposed to be law and order in Aruba-- that's something tourists prize. A girl is dead, and the criminals are running loose because they're Dutch. [You're not really comparing the US with its tremendous population and land mass with Aruba, are you? Apples and oranges, apples and oranges.]
12 posted on 07/08/2005 11:38:06 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: SJSAMPLE; Clara Lou; SheLion; MizSterious
Sure. And then what should happen to our own tourism industry?

I'm willing to bet more tourists (as a percentage) disappear or die in the US than in Aruba. Girl gets murdered by scumbags in Aruba. I fail to see how all of Aruba is at fault.

"All" of Aruba is not at fault, but the Aruban authorities are guilty of either criminal negligence and incompetence, or enabling a cover-up. They waited ten days before searching the Van Der Sloot kid's apartment, and then when criticised for it the Aruban Attorney General had the effrontery to go on television and try to excuse that incompetence by saying "we can't just go barging in like cowboys".

The proper response from the reporter (and everyone else) should have been: "Please explain just what in the hell cowboys have to do with the universally recognized standards of criminal investigation, one of which is that time is of the essence when gathering forensic evidence?

When she made that statement, weeks ago, it was obvious that the fix was in. All they have been doing since then is going through the motions and running out the clock.

13 posted on 07/08/2005 12:04:30 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: nickcarraway
It's simple, people. You take a vacation anywhere outside of the US and you run a real, measurable risk of anything from disappointment to robbery to death.
14 posted on 07/08/2005 12:11:52 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: nickcarraway
Bumble, bumble, bumbling along.

I Still think we should add Aruba to the terrorist watch list. With an idiot government like this any number of terrorist can be staging from there.
15 posted on 07/08/2005 12:12:47 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: tarheelswamprat
When she made that statement, weeks ago, it was obvious that the fix was in. All they have been doing since then is going through the motions and running out the clock.

And I heard that Joren's  father is a close friend of the Police Chief.

There is no crime scene, no body, no evidence.  Where do they go from here?  The Holloway's should get back to the States, IMHO.  They will be throwing her into jail for 60 days.  What a mess.

16 posted on 07/08/2005 12:18:57 PM PDT by SheLion (Donate to Free Republic! Help keep our forum free!!!)
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To: MizSterious

It really is a wretched "justice" system. Makes you appreciate our own, even with all it's warts. (But there is plenty of room for improvement here--for instance, the Couey case brings to light the fact that with a technical flaw in the case, a confessed child-murdering, child molesting skank like that guy can actually walk free...)

I can't believe for the life of me how anyone can be thrown in jail for 140 days without being charged of anything.  I sure am thankful to be living in the states.  What a mess their system is.

But you are right:  because the cops might have messed up on evidence on the Couey case, that sicko could go free.  I wouldn't want to be in his shoes though, walking down the street at night if he is let go!


17 posted on 07/08/2005 12:22:48 PM PDT by SheLion (Donate to Free Republic! Help keep our forum free!!!)
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To: Clara Lou

Did you see the part where I wrote "(as a percentage)"?
That implies proportionality. Remember when European tourists were being shot up in Florida? Being a tourist is often the reason they're targeted by criminals.

And there's supposed to be "law and order" in America, but we've got our share of troubles, don't we? Oh, and the criminals are running loose, but not because "they're Dutch." It's because there isn't enough evidence to hold them. No body. No evidence of a crime. Practically nothing but some conflicting statements by each of the suspects. We have the same problem, but we can't even to confict criminals with overwhelming evidence (OJ, MJ and even Robert Blake come to mind).


18 posted on 07/08/2005 12:25:10 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: tarheelswamprat

If you want to address the incompetence of the investigators, I will entertain that thought. But I can't agree that Aruba is unique in their criminal justice problems. I think American has given the rest of the world some cause to point.


19 posted on 07/08/2005 12:28:09 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: nickcarraway

Over 30 days have passed, what do the bungling Aruban authorities expect to find after that longer time? Her teeth? A fingernail? Sheesh!


20 posted on 07/08/2005 12:29:56 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: SJSAMPLE
Remember when European tourists were being shot up in Florida? Being a tourist is often the reason they're targeted by criminals.
But there was no perception that US law enforcement was shielding those crooks, was there? As a matter of fact, there was a crackdown and things changed quickly. The guilty parties were off the streets. NONE of this is true of Aruba.
21 posted on 07/08/2005 12:30:30 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: SheLion

"If her body has been in the water for more than a month, I can't believe there is much left of it. And if her body is on land, there won't be much left of it what with the heat, the humidity and the rains."

Thinking the same thing! The kid (with the help of his dad) has gotten away with murder. OJ, Robert Blake, et al., must be proud. He's one of their own.


22 posted on 07/08/2005 12:51:18 PM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: nickcarraway

Next headline.

US Navy refuses request by SenShelby to send Navy to Aruba to search for NH.

Nice return by the Arubans.


23 posted on 07/08/2005 12:57:23 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Clara Lou
Americans should boycott Aruba.

Don't you think that's a bit harsh? How many Americans (and tourists) disappear here...and for much longer periods of time...and with our infinitely greater resources and experience in matters investigative.

24 posted on 07/08/2005 1:03:18 PM PDT by infocats
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To: infocats

No, I don't think it harsh. Please see my post #21.


25 posted on 07/08/2005 1:10:36 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
No, I don't think it harsh. Please see my post #21.

You may be making the classic mistake of drawing a conclusion from an example of one

26 posted on 07/08/2005 1:13:20 PM PDT by infocats
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To: Marysecretary

Free of charge? Man, don't they get enough money from American tourists to at least pay for part of this?

This whole case and the 24/7 media assualt is getting annoying. While I sympathize with the family, the good ol USA had 15,567 murders last year. If were going to use the military in these cases I'd like to see the Marines clean out Chicago, Compton and DC.


27 posted on 07/08/2005 1:15:14 PM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: nickcarraway

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber seems to be "a day late and a dollar short". IMHO,he is employing CYA 101.

Our thoughts and prayers continue to go out to the family of
the missing girl.


28 posted on 07/08/2005 1:20:49 PM PDT by jos65
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To: infocats
You may be making the classic mistake of drawing a conclusion from an example of one
Sometimes "one" is all it takes. The Aruban government is shielding one or more perpetrators of murder of a tourist because of local politics. And then they threaten the mother of the victim with reprisal. It's the wrong message from a country dependent on tourism. How many messages like that do you think it takes before it becomes significant?
29 posted on 07/08/2005 1:21:17 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
The Aruban government is shielding one or more perpetrators of murder of a tourist because of local politics. And then they threaten the mother of the victim with reprisal. It's the wrong message from a country dependent on tourism. How many messages like that do you think it takes before it becomes significant?

I am not apologizing for the Aruban Government. However, I really believe that they are doing all that they can with both their limited resources and experience. They have willingly allowed anyone and everyone to look for Ms. Holloway, including a search team from Texas. They have also called in the Dutch Airforce to do an air search. Additionally, they had detained Judge Van Der Sloot (sp? one of their own) and the father of Joran who is detained for questioning to this day.

Your suggesting that local politics are stalling the investigation is to my mind, sheer speculation at this point in time.

I do agree that this tragedy is a black eye for Aruba and will probably have a negative impact on tourism.

30 posted on 07/08/2005 1:32:03 PM PDT by infocats
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To: infocats
they are doing all that they can with both their limited resources and experience.

How is that an excuse? We have offered to help and they have refused both resources and expertise. It is common practice for forensic investigators to help in foreign investigations. The only reason the resources have not been brought in is because the locals are covering up the rape and murder of a tourist. Aruba is a festering cesspool; and that is all there is to it.
31 posted on 07/08/2005 1:58:12 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: SheLion

I think I heard her say she's considering buying a house there.


32 posted on 07/08/2005 2:00:33 PM PDT by johnb838 (A chill wind.)
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To: Clara Lou

No, the criminals are running loose because there is no evidence to charge them with the murder, let alone convict them of it. Do you think they'd ever be convicted HERE on the type of evidence against them? Dream on.


33 posted on 07/08/2005 2:01:45 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: SJSAMPLE

I'll say this: It seems to be universal that in tourist traps the tourists are totally relied upon for the income of the community and totally held in contempt. It's that way here, and probably everywhere else too.


34 posted on 07/08/2005 2:02:11 PM PDT by johnb838 (A chill wind.)
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To: SheLion
There is no crime scene, no body, no evidence.

Sad but true. A case like this would never be charged here in the US either.

35 posted on 07/08/2005 2:03:41 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: nickcarraway
" "I would like to request you to use your influence to gain this authorization for the deployment of this unit free of charge to Aruba as soon as possible," Oduber wrote in the letter, dated July 1.

Sure, Dutch!

Why not?

Get in line with all of the other beggars sucking Uncle Sam's tit!

36 posted on 07/08/2005 2:08:04 PM PDT by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is...not be one of them!)
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To: johnb838

Agree 100%.
Tourists, especially un-travelled American tourists, need to beware. If you haven't lived or even travelled through a large US city or a turd-world shithole, you have no idea who's preying on you and how.


37 posted on 07/08/2005 2:08:12 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Polyxene

She's certainly gone. This is terrible.


38 posted on 07/08/2005 2:10:44 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Could we use Aruba as a replacement for Vieques? As an added bonus, it is located in Chaves' backyard. Perhaps it is in our interest to choke off the tourism. We would then be able to buy the whole place from the Netherlands for a buck fifty next year.


39 posted on 07/08/2005 2:25:11 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA
We have offered to help and they have refused both resources and expertise. It is common practice for forensic investigators to help in foreign investigations. The only reason the resources have not been brought in is because the locals are covering up the rape and murder of a tourist. Aruba is a festering cesspool; and that is all there is to it.

I think the F.B.I. was initially involved in the investigation in a limited way. While your faith in the fornsic abilities of the F.B.I. is admirable, most cases are solved not through Sherlock Holmesian ability but through the use of informants, of which there don't appear to be many in this case. Additionally, if Ms. Holloway's body was disposed of at sea, it is highly unlikely that there is any forensic evidence left to be discovered.

To call Aruba a festering cesspool because of this one incident is really inexcusable and says more about you and your fellow jingoists than it will ever say about Aruba.

40 posted on 07/09/2005 5:07:26 AM PDT by infocats
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To: Wristpin

I know. In a country this large you have to expect that there will be a lot of crime. We're 'used' to seeing these types of crimes here. I don't think they are in Aruba. They have mishandled this from day one. When the media gloms onto something, they run it ad nauseum. I just pray they find her, dead or alive.


41 posted on 07/11/2005 6:09:50 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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