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MS-13 gang leader to be imprisoned, then deported
Corpus Christi Caller-Times/AP ^ | July 7, 2005

Posted on 07/08/2005 3:41:31 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch

HOUSTON- The reputed leader of a violent gang with roots in El Salvador was sentenced to seven months in prison Friday for illegally re-entering the country, U.S. Attorney Chuck Rosenberg announced.

Lester Rivera Paz, 29, of Honduras, is expected to be deported after completing his sentence. He has been in federal custody since his arrest in February near Falfurrias. He was indicted in March on one count of illegal entry into the United States after being deported.

Rivera, who officials say has many aliases, including "El Culiche" or The Tapeworm, Eber Anibal Rivera Paz and Franklin Jairo Rivera-Hernandez, was the Honduras leader of the Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13 gang.

He is accused of masterminding a Christmastime bus massacre in Honduras that killed 28 people.

More than 200 gang members, including several in Texas, have been arrested nationwide since the U.S. Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement launched a sweep in March.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; dhs; gang; gohomeandstay; illiterate; immigrantlist; immigration; marasalvatrucha; ms13; wetbacks
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"El Culiche", doing the crimes Americans won't do!
1 posted on 07/08/2005 3:41:32 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch
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ping


3 posted on 07/08/2005 3:42:52 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Well, can't we just imprison him, shoot him, and THEN deport him?
4 posted on 07/08/2005 3:43:51 PM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: Baynative

He ought to be castrated THEN deported.

We do not want any more tapeworms running around!!


5 posted on 07/08/2005 3:46:24 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: SwinneySwitch

And he'll be back here in a year thanks to the idiots in Washington,including GWB.


6 posted on 07/08/2005 3:46:42 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Let me get this straight: We manage to catch a very high-ranking member of the most violent gang in the western hemisphere, and we're going to throw him back? And he won't come back to haunt us because...?


7 posted on 07/08/2005 3:46:45 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: SwinneySwitch

The Tapeworm how fitting!


8 posted on 07/08/2005 3:47:01 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Hmmmm, I wonder how he came to be in the U.S.?

I wonder what's going to prevent him from being # 1,738,256 of next year's 3,000,000 entries into our nation.

Actually I don't wonder at all. NOTHING at all will prevent it.


9 posted on 07/08/2005 3:49:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Mears
And he'll be back here in a year...

If he wants to be, he'll back in less than a week!

10 posted on 07/08/2005 3:50:00 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Lester Rivera Paz, 29, of Honduras, is expected to be deported after completing his sentence.

Whew, that's a relief. It should deter him from ever coming back again. /s

11 posted on 07/08/2005 3:50:28 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: bayourod

I think they nabbed your gardener.


12 posted on 07/08/2005 3:50:58 PM PDT by jayhorn (when i hit the drum, you shake the booty.)
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To: Little Pig

I think he'll be tried for murder in Honduras or maybe a Sombra Negra (Black Shadow) death squad will execute him!


13 posted on 07/08/2005 4:01:13 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Terrorists-beyond your expectations! !)
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To: SwinneySwitch

MS-13 gang leader to be imprisoned, then hanged


don't we wish.....


14 posted on 07/08/2005 4:03:01 PM PDT by injin
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To: Mears

"And he'll be back here in a year thanks to the idiots in Washington,including GWB."

You are correct, Sir!


15 posted on 07/08/2005 4:06:20 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Bump!


16 posted on 07/08/2005 4:07:11 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Can't afford Medical care? Thank an illegal alien.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Insert a tracking devise under his skin and let him lead us to the rest of the gang


17 posted on 07/08/2005 4:10:10 PM PDT by NorseWood
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To: jayhorn
MS-13 won't last long. They might as well have a bounty on their heads. There are too many law enforcement agencies targeting them now including about a dozen special FBI units.

But the solution is to go after them in the cities where they are operating, not just sit back and hope to catch them crossimng the border. Especially since the ones without records can get visas.

18 posted on 07/08/2005 4:10:52 PM PDT by bayourod (Winning elections is everything in a democracy. Losing is for people unclear on the concept.)
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To: injin

How about when we deport him we parachute him back into South America with a bag full of dirty socks and shoe lace on his back for a chute. I don't think South America would object as long as his air borne corpse did not hit an innocent. With his tattooes he is dead meat when he gets home anyhows.


19 posted on 07/08/2005 4:15:44 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: jocon307

Holy crap your gutsy. I commented yesterday that GW wasn't a conservative and I got gang-flamed. I like his WOT approach, but his policy on open borders(which should be an integral part of the WOT)is waiting to blow up in our face.


20 posted on 07/08/2005 4:16:30 PM PDT by eddiemunster
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To: Enterprise
Well, can't we just imprison him, shoot him, and THEN deport him?

Correct. Why do half a job. Deport him in a douche bag

21 posted on 07/08/2005 4:19:01 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: SwinneySwitch
This is cruel and unusual punishment, indeed!! By jailing him and THEN deporting him, we are forcing him to obtain his next OFFICIAL identity outside the US. We'll send him to Hondouras. He'll escape/be released and go through Mexico.

He'll either have to buy an offiicial identity in Mexico or sneak (take a limo) back across the border into the US. He'd by an official Mexican identity at a Mexican consulate and then melt into the world of gangs until he is caught. My bet is that between the time he is released from his 7 month sentence until the next time he is arrested in the US, he'll kill, personally, between 6 and 22 people.

22 posted on 07/08/2005 4:32:15 PM PDT by Tacis ("Democrats - The Party of Traitors, Treachery and Treason!")
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To: SwinneySwitch

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it's costing American taxpayers 50K$ a year to incarcerate prisoners.
I think we should deport ALL the illegal alien prisoners (which make up a THIRD OF ALL PRISONERS) except for maybe those on death row...sure would save BILLIONS A YEAR and would open up slots for American criminals running around the country unabated.
Of course, it would all be in vain until we SECURED the borders & ports.

Semper Fi,
Kelly


23 posted on 07/08/2005 4:32:36 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: eddiemunster

"I commented yesterday that GW wasn't a conservative and I got gang-flamed."

Yes, well he's better than his dad, but he's a weak sister on the immigration stuff, awful, actually. We'd probably have no border at all with Mexico by this time if 9/11 had never happened.

I guess the Supreme Ct. nominee(s) will tell the tale on how conservative our beloved W really is.

And thanks, but it's not so much that I have guts, I just have a big Irish mouth and a German temper!


24 posted on 07/08/2005 4:46:41 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: NationalistVisionary; whipitgood; servantboy777; Flyer; Jack Black; selucreh; txroadhawg; ...

MS-13 Ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off this South Texas/Mexico ping list.


25 posted on 07/08/2005 4:47:10 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Terrorists-beyond your expectations! !)
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To: SwinneySwitch

He should be selectively eliminated....


26 posted on 07/08/2005 4:49:36 PM PDT by Shamrock-DW
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To: kellynla

I agree deport them once. If they return shoot them like the stray dogs that they are. No hearing just a bullet in the back of the head.


27 posted on 07/08/2005 5:19:24 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: bayourod; humblegunner

Should we give this guy amnesty?

You are in favor of it for every other criminal illegal alien.


28 posted on 07/08/2005 5:38:45 PM PDT by Eaker (My wife rocks!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Why deport? Just shoot him.


29 posted on 07/08/2005 5:40:50 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Eaker
Should we give this guy amnesty?

And a free ride to the inmate graveyard. Absolutely. Why do you ask?

30 posted on 07/08/2005 5:45:52 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: SwinneySwitch

Behead the bastard...then deport him.


31 posted on 07/08/2005 6:09:25 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: All
ON THE NET...


WorldNetDaily.com: Washington - "MEXICAN DRUG COMMANDOS EXPAND OPS IN 6 US STATES" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The ultra-violent, U.S.-trained elite, Mexican paramilitary commandos known as the "Zetas," responsible for hundreds of murders along the border this year, have expanded their enforcement efforts on behalf of a drug cartel by setting up trafficking routes in six U.S. states. A U.S. Justice Department memo says the U.S.-trained units have recently moved operations into Houston, San Antonio and the states of California, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida. They have been operating in Dallas for at least two years, according to the feds.") (June 21, 2005) (Read More...)
A Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com regarding an AP published in THEVICTORIAADVOCATE.com: "AUTHORITIES ARREST MEMBER OF MS-13 GANG" (June 29, 2005) (Read More...)
Google News Search Term: "MARA SALVATRUCHA" (Read More...)

Google News Search Term: "MS-13" (Read More...)

32 posted on 07/08/2005 7:09:37 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: eddiemunster; jocon307

No, jocon307 is ugly. That's what the truth is!

Truth is a hard master to serve, for the more devotedly you serve her, the more she hurts you.

If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth.


33 posted on 07/08/2005 7:15:19 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: B4Ranch

I will quote you for years to come......


34 posted on 07/08/2005 7:40:29 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: SwinneySwitch

What's to prevent him come coming back any time he wants to?

If he planned the deaths of 28 people, why not kill him?

The death penalty needs to really be brought back, not just pretend.


35 posted on 07/08/2005 8:02:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: B4Ranch

"If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth."

LOL, how very true.


36 posted on 07/09/2005 12:20:36 AM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Wow . . . seven whole months.

That'll learn him.

Bet he's all cured after that.


37 posted on 07/09/2005 12:21:39 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Make the homeys say HO and the girlies wanna scream!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

For the record, I like to think that if I joined a gang, I could come up with a better gang name than "The Tapeworm."


38 posted on 07/09/2005 12:22:39 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Make the homeys say HO and the girlies wanna scream!)
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To: All

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/datelinedc/s_351489.html

"MS13's growing threat"

Sunday, July 10, 2005


ARTICLE SNIPPET: "WASHINGTON -- This is the time of the year that school principals meet to plan for the next school year. At one meeting in suburban New York, 360 principals, out of the 480 attending, agreed that the greatest threat confronting their schools and communities was the Mara Salvatrucha street gang, better known as "MS13," and, specifically, gang recruitment in their schools.
But the same is true nationwide.

When this column first highlighted MS13 a year ago, many were skeptical of the police estimates of 3,000 active gang members in the northern Virginia suburbs. Now, a half-dozen murders, scores of cuttings and unreported beatings later, it is believed that there are 6,000 members in the region jus south of D.C."


39 posted on 07/11/2005 2:18:30 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: All

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/july05/ms071305.htm

HOW WE'RE GANGING UP ON MS-13
And What You Can Do To Help

07/13/05


An example of an MS-13 tattoo.
They've severed the fingers of their rivals with machetes...brutally murdered suspected informants, including a 17-year-old pregnant federal witness...attacked and threatened law enforcement officers...committed a string of rapes, assaults, break-ins, auto thefts, extortions, and frauds across the U.S....gotten involved in everything from drug and firearms trafficking to prostitution and money laundering...and are sowing violence and discord not just here in the U.S. but around the world.

Remind you of mobsters? Actually, this disturbing résumé of crime and violence belongs to MS-13, or Mara Salvatrucha, a fast-growing, violent, and increasingly mobile street gang that’s terrorizing communities in 33 states and the District of Columbia.

MS-13, which started in Los Angeles in the late 1980s, has an estimated 8,000-10,000 members nationwide, mostly Salvadoran nationals or first generation Salvadoran Americans but also including Hondurans, Guatemalans, Mexicans, and other Central and South American immigrants. Members often wear clothing or sport tattoos incorporating MS-13 or the number 13.

What are we doing to stop MS-13? Quite a bit:

... In December 2004, we launched a multi-agency MS-13 National Gang Task Force—the first of its kind—focused specifically on dismantling MS-13 by increasing and speeding the flow of information and intelligence, coordinating investigations, and helping local and state law enforcement more easily identify the gang in their areas.

.... We're specifically reaching out to our international partners in El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico to share intelligence and begin a coordinated campaign to dismantle MS-13. We've begun sharing information on nearly a daily basis, and we have an agent on the ground in San Salvador helping local authorities investigate gangs.

.... In a related effort, we've established a National Gang Intelligence Center to better coordinate and share intelligence on MS-13 and other major gangs.

What can you do to help?

Get educated on gangs. A good place to start is the 2005 National Gang Threat Assessment, which outlines major gangs by region and how communities can help stop them.
Be proactive when it comes to your children. Take a few minutes to look at A Parent's Quick Reference Card: Recognizing and Preventing Gang Involvement for helpful tips and suggestions.
If you know of any gang "hang outs"—which typically include shopping malls, night clubs, vacant buildings, and specific street corners—or have any other information on MS-13 that might be useful to law enforcement, contact your local FBI office, your local police, or our National Gang Task Force at (202) 324-5341.
For more details on MS-13, its potential connections to terrorists, and our overall anti-gang strategy, see Assistant Director Chris Swecker's testimony of 4/20/05.


40 posted on 07/13/2005 2:04:32 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy
Adding these links here for MS-13 archival purposes.

WorldNetDaily.com: Washington - "MEXICAN DRUG COMMANDOS EXPAND OPS IN 6 US STATES" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The ultra-violent, U.S.-trained elite, Mexican paramilitary commandos known as the "Zetas," responsible for hundreds of murders along the border this year, have expanded their enforcement efforts on behalf of a drug cartel by setting up trafficking routes in six U.S. states. A U.S. Justice Department memo says the U.S.-trained units have recently moved operations into Houston, San Antonio and the states of California, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida. They have been operating in Dallas for at least two years, according to the feds.") (June 21, 2005) (Read More...)
A Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com regarding an AP published in THEVICTORIAADVOCATE.com: "AUTHORITIES ARREST MEMBER OF MS-13 GANG" (June 29, 2005) (Read More...)
Google News Search Term: "MARA SALVATRUCHA" (Read More...)

Google News Search Term: "MS-13" (Read More...)

41 posted on 07/13/2005 2:11:20 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: jayhorn; Czar; Travis McGee; Squantos; WKB; bourbon; onyx; B4Ranch

ROTFLMAO

see 12


42 posted on 07/13/2005 2:15:32 PM PDT by wardaddy (naming hurricanes after men should be repealed...it's silly)
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To: bayourod

MS-13 HAS 20,000 MEMBERS AND YOU SAY THEY WON'T LAST LONG. wHAT ARE YOU DRINKING TODAY?


43 posted on 07/13/2005 2:20:50 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: Xenalyte
Prison is like training camp for these types. Plenty of time to lift some weights, make some connections, get some fresh ink, possibly test one's skills in a fight, get some nutritious food and a little bit of rest on a (relatively) nice bed, maybe see a doctor if they need to, and so on. After seven months the government has a much more dangerous criminal than they did before.

I'm all for seeing him swinging at the end of a hemp rope after a short fall. Cheaper and more effective than running pre-season mini-camps for professional violent criminals.

44 posted on 07/13/2005 2:32:19 PM PDT by jayhorn (anyone who is posting to this thread while naked is a hypocrite.)
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To: B4Ranch
They haven't been targeted until recently. Individual gangs are not that difficult to break up, the problem is that new ones pop up like mushrooms.

The biggest obstacle to crushing the MS-13 is the Buchanan/Tancredo crowd type thinking that demands that anyone who cooperates, assists, or provides information to the FBI or LEOs be jailed and deported if they don't have the proper papers.

But then the Antis aren't concerned with gang crime any more than they are with terrorists are they? It's just another excuse to attack President Bush for not sealing the border to migrant laborers.

45 posted on 07/13/2005 3:29:30 PM PDT by bayourod (Winning elections is everything in a democracy. Losing is for people unclear on the concept.)
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To: bayourod
". Individual gangs are not that difficult to break up, the problem is that new ones pop up like mushrooms."

Kinda like they way the illegals continue to sneak across the border, huh?

(Sorry for the caps in the previous post)

46 posted on 07/13/2005 3:38:55 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: bayourod

Yep, good call - no one cares about terrorists or gangs, just a bunch of people washing dishes in a restaurant.

Now I'm convinced you're just doing all this as a goof. NO ONE could post something like that seriously. You're like the Andy Kaufman of this forum: adopt a persona and NEVER break character. Pretty funny, actually.


47 posted on 07/13/2005 4:07:37 PM PDT by cartman90210 ("Sorry kids, those people from the future will do the same job for 25 cents!")
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To: cartman90210

Still can't reply with anything other than personal attacks? The others must be proud of you.


48 posted on 07/13/2005 4:22:06 PM PDT by bayourod (Winning elections is everything in a democracy. Losing is for people unclear on the concept.)
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To: wardaddy
Re #12:

BWWAAAHHHHAAAAAA...

49 posted on 07/13/2005 4:37:22 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: cartman90210

He has pals....too many for a conservative forum.


50 posted on 07/13/2005 4:47:19 PM PDT by wardaddy (naming hurricanes after men should be repealed...it's silly)
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