The message is clear - to the terrorists - f*** you. To those who thought we were going to roll over - f*** you. To those who thought we were "too weak, too socialist" to deal with this - f*** you too.
Regards, Ivan
Posted on 07/09/2005 6:05:35 AM PDT by MadIvan
The perpetrators of Thursday's atrocities are living in a fantasy world if they think the British people can be intimidated by terrorism, let alone converted to Islam.
The findings of YouGov's survey show they are equally deluded if they think they can drive a wedge either between Britain and the United States or between most Britons and their Muslim fellow countrymen.
The vast majority of YouGov's respondents are proud of London's emergency services and of the way ordinary Londoners responded to Thursday's bombings.
They have no intention of changing the way they live and work merely to satisfy the desires of a few fanatics.
Not surprisingly, people's willingness to see the authorities taking whatever steps are necessary to apprehend and, if need be, detain potential terrorists has risen sharply.
More than 80 per cent believe the threat is so serious that the authorities should act against suspected terrorists even if they have not committed any offence.
The survey also reveals increased support for identity cards. Compared with last week, support for ID cards has increased significantly, almost certainly as a result of the attacks. Even so, people by a wide margin remain unconvinced that the introduction of cards would help prevent terrorist acts.
Although most Britons do reckon that the London bombings were the work of Islamic extremists, most show no disposition to point the finger of blame at British Muslims as a whole. On the contrary, well over 80 per cent are convinced that the great majority of British Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding citizens who condemn the bombings like everyone else.
The response of Tony Blair and his ministers to the attacks has clearly boosted the standing of both. Early this year, twice as many people said they were dissatisfied with Mr Blair as Prime Minister as said the opposite. In the aftermath of Thursday's bombings, Mr Blair's approval rating has flipped from negative to positive for the first time in five years.
Moreover, the bombings have failed - despite Mr George Galloway's best efforts - to undermine support for the British presence in Iraq. The proportion wanting British troops brought home quickly has fallen and the proportion who now want Britain to retain its close ties with the US has risen. The section of the chart headed "Assessing performance" tells a story of which Britons can be proud.
A massive 95 per cent of YouGov's respondents believe that on Thursday London's emergency services responded either magnificently (71 per cent) or very well (24 per cent). More than two thirds, 71 per cent, give comparably high marks to the Prime Minister and his Government.
Only Britain's intelligence services - for obvious reasons - fare less well. A third of YouGov's respondents, 33 per cent, accord their performance an equally high rating.
As figures in the chart show, virtually the whole nation, 90 per cent, applauds Londoners' courage and calm under fire and Tony Blair's satisfaction rating has shot up from a mediocre 32 per cent at the beginning of this year to a creditable 49 per cent now.
That said, people are far from sanguine about the future. Almost everyone, 92 per cent, reckons that another terrorist attack on a British target is now either "very likely" (45 per cent) or "fairly likely" (47 per cent).
However, the proportion fearing that they themselves or a close family member or friend might be killed or injured in such an attack has not risen significantly. People have clearly thought for a long time that a terrorist attack was probable, but most people evidently have no intention of changing the way they live.
A mere one per cent of YouGov's respondents expects to make big changes as a result of the bombings. The great majority, 88 per cent, expect to make few changes or none at all.
The bombings have provided a modest boost to public support for identity cards. Support for ID cards has risen quite suddenly from 45 per cent a week ago to 50 per cent now. Even so, a substantial majority, 56 per cent, still doubt whether ID cards would help to prevent future outrages.
YouGov's findings also suggest that the London bombings have tipped the balance of opinion still further in favour of according national security priority over at least some civil liberties. An even larger majority than in the past - now 81 per cent - think it is reasonable to take action against potential terrorists even if they have not yet committed a criminal offence.
The figures in the section of the chart headed "Muslims and the bombings" show beyond doubt that a large majority of Britons make some connection between Thursday's attacks and some of the followers of Islam.
Fully 82 per cent are apparently convinced already that Islamic extremists - whether foreign Muslims, British Muslims or some combination of the two - were behind the bombings and 60 per cent believe Britain's security services "should now focus their intelligence-gathering and terrorism-prevention efforts on Muslims in this country or seeking to enter it".
In addition, the proportion believing that Islam itself - as distinct from fundamentalist Islamic groups - poses a threat to western liberal democracy has risen from 32 per cent shortly after the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centre to 46 per cent now.
YouGov yesterday elicited the opinions online of 1,854 adults across Britain. The figures have been weighted to conform to the demographic profile of British adults as a whole. YouGov abides by the rules of the British Polling Council.
Anthony King is professor of government at Essex University.
The message is clear - to the terrorists - f*** you. To those who thought we were going to roll over - f*** you. To those who thought we were "too weak, too socialist" to deal with this - f*** you too.
Regards, Ivan
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Thanks for the post. Your picture of you as a Southpark character is great...your link page is great. So glad to have you aboard. My sympathies to your countrymen for your losses...and also my respect for your nation's steadfastness !
Poll results from London...this is how we think.
Not if it were up to the Beeb.
The BBC has done a volte face and is calling them terrorists.
We live in interesting times.
Regards, Ivan
The only group of people that I think are more bulldoggish than NY'ers are Londoners.
Yes! Look out you hidden terrorists...watch out for our Patriot Act...as the song goes " You ain't seen nothing yet!"
Actually NY'ers are more like pitbulls.
Thnaks for the post.
Yeah..all good words. But now they need to follow up and act. Blair talks about Britain's "resolve". Now he needs to "do" resolve.
I saw a news commentary from the Beeb on CSpan (apparently live) and it was terrible. They did a presentation which included Bush speeches, lighting changed to have a blue tint. The subtext was "we made them mad by going to Iraq".
It is past time for London to elect a new mayor and not one, who loves the mass murdering Jihadists:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1024351/posts
Consider the Source (Mayor of London calls Bush "greatest threat to life on planet")
Sacred Cow Burgers ^ | 11/18/2003 | Sacred Cow Burgers
Posted on 11/18/2003 12:28:18 PM PST by Prime Choice
So Mayor of London Livingstone says President Bush is the "greatest threat to life on the planet", huh?
Is it any wonder who puts these ridiculous ideas in his head?
London a Longtime Haven for Radical Muslim Figures
For years before his May 2004 arrest al-Masri used the Finsbury Park mosque as a base to speak for what he insisted were political causes.Despite his radical rhetoric and close links to a group that claimed responsibility for attacks including the Oct. 2000 bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen, it was only in 2003 that the authorities acted against him, stripping him of his British citizenship and barring him from preaching at the mosque.
I wonder why I can't imagine this being said in the New York Times or the LA Times? The appropriate response to this is not to buy either paper.
"they are equally deluded if they think they can drive a wedge............between most Britons and their Muslim fellow countrymen."
If Britons believe that there are "Muslim fellow countrymen" they have already surrendered to the islamic infection.
Indeed.
The American Left - and I include most of the news media in that category - will be so upset!
I've highlighted the most important bits in red...these are also the bits which will upset the Left the most.
Regards, Ivan
Yes, and the camels they rode in on, too.
What is up with the other 20 per cent???
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender...- - Sir Winston Churchill
They're still stuck in the Clinton years, when capitulation, denial, and phoney shows of force sufficed for "dealing with the terrorists." The real America woke up since Clinton's tenure, and so has the real Britain.
France, however, might be another story. No matter--it's their funeral.
What is actually happening is human knowledge is spreading while human nature remains the same. Men as stupid and ferocious as our present enemies have been with us since the dawn of time. Now they have high explosive, because the advanced nations of the world have been using that on each other in warfare for a century and it has had time to spread to every numbskull with a dollar and a grievance.
The only people on earth who are just enough to be entrusted with such power, are divided by deep seated philosophical confusions. As a result the just people are largely unwilling to do the obvious things the situation requires, and hide in platitudes, formulas long past, pious hopes. There is justice only where just men rule, and such just men as the world can boast are largely avoiding their natural duties.
Rulers and countries that support terrorism and proliferation have no title to power, but we are too lazy to take it from them and exercise it ourselves. Morally confused idiots who will not even allow others to defend them have no title to self government or freedom, but we are too lazy to rule them paternalistically. And it will go on, until one man somewhere who knows the value other men will put on actual justice when they see it, does whatever is necessary, the pieties be damned.
Men will be governed. If they will not govern themselves then others will govern them. If they will not defend themselves then they will not be consulted, others will defend them but hold them in tutelage in return. If they are unreasonable then no one will reason with them, but they will be imprisoned or killed as required, and no one will blink. The softies and the PCers and the pacifists are simply paving the road to tyranny; if democracies do not defend themselves vigorously than autocracies will.
The British are congratulating themselves on not panicking. It is a silly exercise. They ought to be raising armies and occupying the Sudan, for starters. Instead they throw rock concerts and ask bankers to write off loans. They ought to be obliterating Iranian reactors without waiting for the US. Instead they play footsie with stooges at the IAEA while the next bombers get their nuclear upgrades. They ought to be debating with the Israelis the limits of their division of Syria. Instead they are sending money to the PA. They are as mad a march hare and can't see it.
" The findings of YouGov's survey show they are equally deluded if they think they can drive a wedge either between Britain and the United States "
Ah lets see, Britians choices, American allies or burqua beating throat slitting headless goat draggers. LOL, I think we all know who "civilized" human beings would choose.
An assassination of the Egyptians ambassador. Indiscriminate suicide bombing regardless of religion.
Perhaps not for long. I recall my history lessons, and there was a fair amount of "tolerance" for Germans up until the moment they started bombing England. The Brits can be best friends, or enemies out of someone's worst nightmare--and although I might be wrong about this, my feeling is that a lot of Islamic militants (aka budding terrorists) might find themselves being chased down the streets and run out of town. They've just picked a fight with opponents that (if WWII and the Irish terror is any indication) will not back down.
" those bloody bastards did not know what they did when they attacked us on 911"
Check this out, this is how detached and sloppy our American news media is about this whole terrorist mess. Saturday morning one of the big three networks morning news anchors was discussing the London bombings and ended it with , "Americans can now expect the same (a terrorist threat) ".
Uh, exactly what does the biased liberal wankers NOT GET about the use of jets used as missiles slamming into the twin towers collapsing them and "murdering" thousands of innocent non military civilians? As usual the U.S. news media remains consistant as theater of absurd.
There also seems to be some disagreement between some of the terrorists in Iraq and the people who taught them. They've become so horrid that they can't even bear being around themselves. If only they'd all strap on bomb vests and meet at Mecca...
Hear hear !!
muslims are nothing more than human kudzu.
Amen and amen!!! Great Britain stood up to the Germans all alone when the rest of Europe fell to them, and Brits will always have what it takes!
Don't hold your breath. We've been bailing out England ever since the Lusitania sank.
Yep. The Anglo personality is just not like the Latin personality. Thankfully!
You should modify the statement to say "Britain Will Never Give In to Muslim Terrorists." Meanwhile, Gerry Adams is still a free man.
Yesterday a FrontPage magazine story taught me that the Anglo world ought to follow France's lead in some areas.
The UK has to obey EU "human rights" inanities from Strassbourg, we do not; London has never tried to assimilate its minorities; we did, at least until recently. UK has refused to extradite an accused terrorist to…France, because British judges think the French may...abuse him.
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FP: What is it exactly that the French have done right?
Radu: They have learned from the wave of Islamic terror in France in the mid-1990s. For instance, imams coming to France now must speak French; the process of training them in France has began; imams preaching anti-Semitism or the murder of "infidels" are often expelled….expeditiously; at government instigation, a French Council of the Muslim Religion (Conseil français du culte musulman - CFCM) has been established, institutionalizing the dialogue with the authorities; mosques, whether legal or illegal, are under permanent surveillance; suspected terrorists are detained for longer periods, and the simple intention to join or have association with terrorists is a crime.
Sounds nice on paper, but why is it, then, that so many of these terrorists come from France?
Yet another Front Page Magazine story talked about your point..
Within a day of the horrific multiple bombings in London, the G8 announced a $3B grant to the Palestinian Authority. The symbolism of this connection may be lost on some Westerners, but it clearly sent a powerful message to terrorists and potential terrorists: namely, that terrorism works.
As for the terrorists they can go pound sand!
I hope you are right. John Derbyshire on NRO points out that Jerry Adams is riding around in a limousine paid for by the British taxpayers.
"If Britons believe that there are "Muslim fellow countrymen" they have already surrendered to the islamic infection."
So what do we do. Start ethnic cleansing of third generation muslim british passport holders? (Forced deportations, with the use of lethal force if required). Serious question...
Perhaps deepening Franco-Algerian relations motivated by a Franco inferiority complex about its relevance to the world.
See post 16. For starters, don't wait years before acting against admitted terrorists and preachers of hate.
-- A "Muslim fellow countryman."
"Britons will never give in to terrorists
I hope you are right. John Derbyshire on NRO points out that Jerry Adams is riding around in a limousine paid for by the British taxpayers."
As far as I remember, a limo for Gerry Adams was never one of the IRA's core demands. As Northern Ireland is still part of the UK and Sinn Fein now recognise the authority of Parliament, it's hard to see how this represents us surrendering to them.
Doesn't that tell you something? Like, for instance, they don't care how many of their own they kill, as long as some Westerners die? And it needn't even be "Westerners" per se--just about anyone will do. Yes, perhaps they should be forcibly deported. If they show so little respect for a country who's taken them in and supported them (so many are on the dole), they should be run out on a rail. Perhaps even tarred and feathered.
If that is the case, then I suggest you pose it to the person who originally made the comment. I simply quoted it.
Start ethnic cleansing of third generation muslim british passport holders?
The problems originating from England's imperialistic adventurism and international meddling are your own to sort out.
Too much American blood has already been spilled on your behalf.
"See post 16."
That's fine for people with dual citizenship, like the example of Abu Hamza. But it doesn't address the question that you were purporting to answer.
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