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Cleveland's Plain Dealer: We're Holding Big Stories Because of Miller Jailing (RIIIIIIGHT...)
Editor & Publisher ^ | 7/8/05 | Mark Fitzgerald

Posted on 07/09/2005 7:49:59 AM PDT by NathanBookman

CHICAGO Plain Dealer Editor Doug Clifton says the Cleveland daily is not reporting two major investigative stories of "profound importance" because they are based on illegally leaked documents -- and the paper fears the consequences faced now by jailed New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

Lawyers for the Newhouse Newspapers-owned PD have concluded that the newspaper would almost certainly be found culpable if the leaks were investigated by authorities.

"They've said, this is a super, super high-risk endeavor, and you would, you know, you'd lose," Clifton said in an interview Friday afternoon.

"The reporters say, 'Well, we're willing to go to jail, and I'm willing to go to jail if it gets laid on me,'" Clifton added, "but the newspaper isn't willing to go to jail. That's what the lawyers have told us. So this is a Time Inc. sort of situation."

Both Miller and Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper faced jail on contempt charges for refusing to identify confidential sources, but Time agreed to hand over Cooper's subpoenaed notes when the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the reporters' appeal. Cooper later agreed to testify to a grand jury, saying his source had given "express personal consent" to be identified.

Clifton declined to characterize the two stories, saying only they were based on material that was illegally leaked.

Clifton's revelation that the PD was holding two investigative projects was actually first published in a column he wrote June 30 about the Miller and Cooper case. While the column garnered positive reaction, he said, almost nobody picked up on the disclosure tucked into the end of the piece.

"As I write this, two stories of profound importance languish in our hands," Clifton wrote. "The public would be well served to know them, but both are based on documents leaked to us by people who would face deep trouble for having leaked them. Publishing the stories would almost certainly lead to a leak investigation and the ultimate choice: talk or go to jail. Because talking isn't an option and jail is too high a price to pay, these two stories will go untold for now. How many more are out there?"

Clifton said he wrote the column to show that "there are consequences" to the actions taken against Miller and Cooper by a federal judge and special prosecutor.

"Some people might argue that you're being chicken-shit," Clifton said. "Well, I, I can respect that," he said, his voice trailing off.

Clifton said the Miller-Cooper case has not presented any problem in its ongoing reporting of the biggest current scandal in Ohio, sometimes called "Coingate."

"So much of that we are pursuing unambiguously with public records," he said. "We've had to rely very little on anonymous sources."

The scandal, first reported by The Blade in Toledo, revolves around a rare-coin dealer who was given authority to invest $50 million in state money in rare coins and other collectibles. Gold coins valued at $300,000 that were part of that investment were lost in the mail, the Blade reported. It later came out that millions of dollars in the fund cannot be accounted for.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cialeak; cooper; journalism; leaks; miller; plame
Jailing Miller seems to have stopped at least two phoney stories from coming out.
1 posted on 07/09/2005 7:49:59 AM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: NathanBookman
We're Holding Big Stories Because of Miller Jailing

Good. There are some "stories" that don't need to be published. The world will somehow manage to keep turning.

2 posted on 07/09/2005 7:52:23 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: NathanBookman

The funny thing is that any paper that sees itself in a competitive situation would not do any such thing. Clearly the Plain Dealer does not think that it competes against anything.


3 posted on 07/09/2005 7:55:01 AM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: NathanBookman

Where is it written in the First Amendment that a "Free Press" gets to break the law.


4 posted on 07/09/2005 7:56:15 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: NathanBookman
"As I write this, two stories of profound importance languish in our hands,"

That's it. We are all doomed it tell you; DOOM-ED!!!

5 posted on 07/09/2005 7:58:29 AM PDT by LRS
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To: NathanBookman

They admit that they were using "illegal sources"???? I guess that means that they are also admitting that Miller's and Cooper's sources were illegal? Rove could not be considered an illegal source, only the information could be considered illegal, although in this case, it has been pretty much determined that revealing that Wilson was recommended by his wife, a CIA employee, was not illegal.


6 posted on 07/09/2005 8:00:40 AM PDT by Eva
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To: NathanBookman
I thought the Miller investigation has turned into an attempt to detect who perjured themselves in the grand Jury.

IOW one of these journalists of "integrity" lied to the grand jury about who their source was, if they even had one.

7 posted on 07/09/2005 8:00:58 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: NathanBookman
"...by people who would face deep trouble for having leaked them."

Perhaps that is the difference, would the leakers be facing "deep trouble" but still have whistleblower protection or would they be breaking the law in a serious way like outing a CIA agent?

8 posted on 07/09/2005 8:01:52 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Iraq is the bug light for terrorists" (Mike McConnell 7/2/05))
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To: NathanBookman
CHICAGO Plain Dealer Editor Doug Clifton says the Cleveland daily is not reporting two major investigative stories trumped up hit pieces of "profound little or no importance" because they are based on illegally leaked forged documents -- and the paper fears the consequences. (consequences = falling paper sales)
9 posted on 07/09/2005 8:04:29 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Falcon4.0

Exactly. In fact the Feds should now investigate the Cleveland Plain Dealer and their source since they have already admitted to having illegally leaked documents!!!


10 posted on 07/09/2005 8:04:33 AM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: NathanBookman
I thought "Clifton" was a big red dog. Waitaminute, Cleveland Plain Dealer? Could be...
11 posted on 07/09/2005 8:04:37 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Conservatives look at Iraqi dual use chemicals and see WMDs. Liberals see tomato gardens.)
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To: NathanBookman
LOL!

Yeah..who knew :)

12 posted on 07/09/2005 8:04:42 AM PDT by evad (No action to secure borders, No action on judges... NO MONEY!)
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To: Falcon4.0

Exactly. Freedom of the Press means that the government won't interfere with what you write, will not limit what you say. It does not mean that under the banner of 'journalist' you get extra protection and different laws. Sorry, no dice.


13 posted on 07/09/2005 8:07:29 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (The scales of Justice are unbalanced.)
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To: NathanBookman
As I write this, two stories of profound importance languish in our hands

In other words, more anti-American and anti-Bush stories that are fake and cannot possibly be proven.

14 posted on 07/09/2005 8:08:25 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: NathanBookman
CHICAGO Plain Dealer Editor Doug Clifton says the Cleveland daily is not reporting two major investigative stories of "profound importance" because they are based on illegally leaked documents -- and the paper fears the consequences faced now by jailed New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

This logic astounds me. Miller never published either and she is in jail. How does he think not publishing a story protects the paper?

15 posted on 07/09/2005 8:09:38 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (The scales of Justice are unbalanced.)
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To: NathanBookman

I always thought that anything obtained illegally could not be used as evidence. I wonder how long it will be before media outlets start complaining about activist courts that allow such things to happen.


16 posted on 07/09/2005 8:10:40 AM PDT by Bernard (Parliamentary Procedure - rules on how to deal with your enemy.)
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To: DainBramage

"if they even had one"

I'm with you, the more I hear about the big "plame outing", I am convinced that her "secret" identity was not secret at all. Cooper and Miller probably heard the rumor at a cocktail party somewhere. But to make news out of it, they had to pretend there was a credible anonymous source, not just speculation over rumors at a cocktail party.

Now they can't identify the source because the source was invented out of thin air.

The other theroy is that Plame outted herself to Miller and Cooper in some sort of twisted, post-partum ego-trip. (see Vanity Fair layout)


17 posted on 07/09/2005 8:22:36 AM PDT by Ludicrous
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To: NathanBookman

So, these left-wing scum are saying that protecting the identity of the guy who stole these documents and gave them to the paper is more important than the public's right to learn about the issues involved? How about if he was a conservative white Christian?


18 posted on 07/09/2005 8:26:51 AM PDT by Tacis ("Democrats - The Party of Traitors, Treachery and Treason!")
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To: TheOtherOne

The two stories being witheld are, Dennis Kucinich is being married for the third time to a space traveler, and George Voinivich is in the hospital having his bladder removed from his eyes! A Cleveland Plain Dealer puff piece, their circulation has fallen 5.1% last year.


19 posted on 07/09/2005 8:26:52 AM PDT by Maumee
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To: LRS
We are all doomed it tell you; DOOM-ED!!!

Which means it's time for me to once again post the link to my favorite :30 spot:

Doomed

20 posted on 07/09/2005 8:28:10 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: NathanBookman

Take this guy down from his cross.


21 posted on 07/09/2005 8:37:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: NathanBookman
Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The decision of the court to send these journalists to jail for not revealing their sources will absolutely have a chilling effect on the press.

You may like this when the stories run against those you disagree with or when they run against a cause you don't support. But you will also have to like it when the tyranny of government runs over something you hold dear and the press is not there to shed light on the topic.

When mere words get people thrown in jail, especially words reported by the press, your country is going down the wrong path.

All the government has to do is to declare information sharing illegal and your last peaceful defense against government out of control is gone.

The Bill of Rights was put in place for many reasons, one of them was to give the written word the ability to shed light on government and to have impunity in doing so. The written word was one of the key reasons for the fomenting of the Revolution.

Be careful what you wish for, the tide will not always flow in a direction favorable to you.
22 posted on 07/09/2005 8:50:12 AM PDT by Pylot
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To: DainBramage

It's either the "reporter" lied, and fabricated the story, or the source is a Democrat, who was trying to spin the story that the leak was a Republican who outed Plame for revenge.
By revealing the source, the whole conspiracy of dirty Democrat politics and corrupt MSM would come crashing down.


23 posted on 07/09/2005 8:51:25 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Because talking isn't an option and jail is too high a price to pay

He can't talk the talk, OR walk the walk!

I frolic gayly in a pool of his bitter tears.


24 posted on 07/09/2005 8:58:02 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: softwarecreator
As I write this, two stories of profound importance languish in our hands

In other words, more anti-American and anti-Bush stories that are fake and cannot possibly be proven.

Actually I was thinking the exact opposite, that the stories must be pro-Bush/pro-conservative/pro-Republican (not always the same thing) and this just provides a good excuse not to publish them. I doubt they would let consequences and a chance at journalistic martyrdom stop a good propaganda piece.
25 posted on 07/09/2005 8:58:32 AM PDT by Dr Snide (vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
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To: Ludicrous

I'm with you, the more I hear about the big "plame outing", I am convinced that her "secret" identity was not secret at all. Cooper and Miller probably heard the rumor at a cocktail party somewhere. But to make news out of it, they had to pretend there was a credible anonymous source, not just speculation over rumors at a cocktail party.

Now they can't identify the source because the source was invented out of thin air.

The other theroy is that Plame outted herself to Miller and Cooper in some sort of twisted, post-partum ego-trip. (see Vanity Fair layout)

I suspect you're right. One other though, Judith Miller wrote a book before with Laurie Mylroie, I wonder if she may be the source.


26 posted on 07/09/2005 9:00:25 AM PDT by Dr Snide (vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
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To: Pylot
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;...

The freedom of the press ISN'T being compromised, they can print anything they want as long as they can back up what they say, and it isn't against some other law, like revealing classified government information.

27 posted on 07/09/2005 9:02:09 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: IronJack

To read what this "b ig scandal" is all about,
go to:

http://www.cleveland.com/search/index.ssf?/base/isbud/1120044654323250.xml?isbud&coll=2


Then, put in focus the Democrats were more than
ticked that Ohio went Republican, has a Republican
governor TAFT, and TWO Republican Senators, DeWine
and Voinovich! Additionally, Gov. Taft recently
signed legislation approving a 2006-007 (!) budget
that grants big spending for schools, faith-based charitable assistance, and other President Bush
suggested categories.

Oh, and just for kicks...LOOK who's running against
Taft for the Ohio Governorship in 2006!

http://www.jimpetro.com/show_event.asp?event_id=51

But...why should we have doubts about the motives
of the Cleveland Plain Dealer and the Toronto paper?
They're defending a reporter's right to INFORM the
people via ANONYMOUS sources! Yep...no politicking
going on here!

Do they really think we're that dumb?!


28 posted on 07/09/2005 9:03:46 AM PDT by Grendel9 (uick)
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To: NathanBookman
Plain Dealer Editor Doug Clifton says the Cleveland daily is not reporting two major investigative stories of "profound importance"

LOL... Just a bit over the top perhaps?

Can anyone name the last two investigative stories of "profound importance" that the Cleveland Plain Dealer broke?

29 posted on 07/09/2005 9:10:10 AM PDT by RJL
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To: NathanBookman
Two major investigative stories with profound importance

Bush's fault and Rove is evil.

We can live without two more of these "big" stories.

30 posted on 07/09/2005 9:34:49 AM PDT by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: NathanBookman
I think the Plain Dealer has to be about the worst paper I've ever read - even worse than those little neighborhood rags.

I live in the Cleveland area and we're a "one horse" town, newspaper-wise. Nonetheless I quit getting the Plain Dealer many years ago and now simply ignore local news as much as possible.
31 posted on 07/09/2005 10:04:35 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Grendel9

"Gov. Taft recently
signed legislation approving a 2006-007 (!) budget
that grants big spending for schools, faith-based charitable assistance, and other President Bush
suggested categories. "

Gee! My $4.60 / pack cigarettes taste so much better now!

The Ohio RINOs have killed this state.


32 posted on 07/09/2005 10:08:49 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: NathanBookman
"The reporters say, 'Well, we're willing to go to jail, and I'm willing to go to jail if it gets laid on me,'" Clifton added, "but the newspaper isn't willing to go to jail. That's what the lawyers have told us. So this is a Time Inc. sort of situation."

This is complete BS. A newspaper cannot "go to jail" for printing anything. The Pentagon Papers case settled that long ago.

33 posted on 07/09/2005 10:22:33 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: Dr Snide
You may be onto something there, Dr.

What ever stopped them from publishing an Anti-American/Bush fake story before?  They would probably love to go to jail on a fake story like that because it makes them look like they are being persecuted by the gov't for printing "the truth".  A very good point and thanks for bringing it up.

34 posted on 07/09/2005 10:25:36 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: NathanBookman
Great. The FBI needs to make a call on the PD and find out about this leak and who is doing the leaking. They have already admitted they have in their hands confidential information that pertains to national security.

I hope on Monday morning the FBI makes a call in Cleveland.

35 posted on 07/09/2005 10:33:16 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Pylot
Oh get off of it. You can't possibly be that ignorant. We are in a war and confidential information is being leaked by government employees.

There is a whistle blower law that protects people who devulge information that is LEGAL to leak, the rightly so, there is no such law to protect people who are on a political vendetta.

36 posted on 07/09/2005 10:38:46 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: NathanBookman

"phoney stories"


I agree with your assessment. And .. I think this is a good result. We don't need phoney sources being used to try to legitimize phoney stories about the Bush admin.


37 posted on 07/09/2005 10:52:14 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: NathanBookman

Reporting a crime is not illegal. So how could a leak be illegal unless it is meant to be an option chosen by the accuser to the normal reporting of a crime to the authorities.

But this can lead to false accusations without the testing process of a trial by jury that our legal system depends upon.


38 posted on 07/09/2005 12:15:15 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: Pessimist

Get even with them....quit smoking!
YOu'd be surprised how proud of
yourself you'll be...and healthier, too!

I quit back in '83 when ciggies climbed
to $1.00/pack here in Illinois. I told
myself I'd quit if they raised the price
one more time; they did---and I did!


39 posted on 07/12/2005 9:56:24 AM PDT by Grendel9 (uick)
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