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Indiana Mosque Arson Probed As Hate Crime
The Daily Advance ^ | 7/8/2005

Posted on 07/09/2005 2:14:30 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. - Someone tried to set fire to a mosque early Saturday and the FBI was investigating it as a hate crime, officials said.

No one was inside the Islamic Center of Bloomington when the fire occured at about 2 a.m. and the damage was confined to the kitchen area, said Nathan Ainsle, president of the Islamic Center.

A burned Quran was found outside, he said.

Someone threw a rock through a window, then poured a flammable liquid into the building and ignited it, the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations said.

The timing of the fire, so soon after Thursday's bombing in London that killed at least 49 people, was suspicious, said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the council. Hooper said his group had been receiving hate e-mail and phone calls since Thursday.

FBI Special Agent Wendy Osborne said agents and members of a Joint Terrorism Task Force were investigating it as a hate crime.

"The FBI takes hate crimes and acts of violence very seriously," she said.

The mosque had not received any threats, and Ainsle said its 200-plus members generally have a good relationship with the community, home of Indiana University's main campus.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: arson; cair; hatecrime; islamiccenter; mosque

1 posted on 07/09/2005 2:14:31 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Fake hate crime...


2 posted on 07/09/2005 2:15:27 PM PDT by TomServo ("Hey, it's helmet day at NASA!")
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

... and that's what the British said in 1776.


3 posted on 07/09/2005 2:16:23 PM PDT by A.B.Normal (Craziness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, ask a Liberal.)
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To: TomServo
A burned Koran found conveniently outside, and CAIR already reporting it.....sounds fake to me.
4 posted on 07/09/2005 2:18:08 PM PDT by xJones
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
"No one was inside the Islamic Center of Bloomington when the fire occured at about 2 a.m. and the damage was confined to the kitchen area..."

Lucky break!

Allah be praised!

Had it spread to the bomb rooms in the basement, damage would have been significant, indeed.

5 posted on 07/09/2005 2:18:45 PM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: TomServo

That's my guess. Southern Indiana good old boys know how to torch a building. This is a sympathy ply by the towel heads.


6 posted on 07/09/2005 2:19:58 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: xJones
I mean c'mon. If you're gonna make a statement, ya gonna make it in Bloomington?

No offense to the residents meant...

7 posted on 07/09/2005 2:21:54 PM PDT by TomServo ("Hey, it's helmet day at NASA!")
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Thats to bad.


8 posted on 07/09/2005 2:23:07 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: xJones

Wouldn't be the first time, now would it.


9 posted on 07/09/2005 2:24:44 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
islamism is a hate crime.

'nuff said.

FMCDH(BITS)

10 posted on 07/09/2005 2:31:38 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: xJones
A burned Koran found conveniently outside, and CAIR already reporting it.....sounds fake to me.

That koran is what triggered my bs detector, too. A burned koran doesn't have the same impact to us that it does to muslims. If there had been a trip to a pigpen involved it would be a different story.

11 posted on 07/09/2005 2:34:10 PM PDT by magslinger (Gun control laws are like OSHA for criminals-Thomas Sowell)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Oh puhleeze! How about just a crime committed.


12 posted on 07/09/2005 2:37:41 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: xJones

> ...sounds fake to me.

Where is the burnt Koran? If "Nathan Ainsle, president of the Islamic Center" can't produce it, by the time the FBI is done with him, he (or whoever) could be looking at several felony charges.


13 posted on 07/09/2005 2:41:19 PM PDT by cloud8
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Maybe we should have a thunderdome. Let the crazies fight it out with idiots. LOL.
14 posted on 07/09/2005 2:49:06 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: magslinger

I agree with you. A non-Muslim American would have left a pig's head as a calling card, not a Koran


15 posted on 07/09/2005 2:51:34 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (The only difference between Charles Manson and Mohammad is that Manson killed fewer people)
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To: TomServo
I mean c'mon. If you're gonna make a statement, ya gonna make it in Bloomington?

I, uh, don't know how to say this without offending our wonderful Indiana Freepers, but I can't think of anywhere in Indiana to make a statement besides, "Start your motors!" in Indianopolis.

16 posted on 07/09/2005 3:03:53 PM PDT by xJones (I intend to live forever - so far, so good.)
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To: xJones

LOL!! ;-)


17 posted on 07/09/2005 3:04:27 PM PDT by TomServo ("Hey, it's helmet day at NASA!")
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To: SauronOfMordor
A non-Muslim American would have left a pig's head as a calling card, not a Koran

Hmmm...What a very interesting idea.....eh? :)

18 posted on 07/09/2005 3:05:28 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

I never even knew Bloomington had a mosque. Numerous Christian churches have been burned in Indiana and a guy and his stripper girl friend were convicted. Yet, these were not considered hate crimes - what double standard.


19 posted on 07/09/2005 3:10:00 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

If they find some guy who did it is it wrong to take up a defense collection?


20 posted on 07/09/2005 3:35:09 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Gosh, it must be nice to get an FBI investigation for a kitchen fire.

I guess that goes along with being an anti-American terrorist sympathizer in the eyes of the FBI.

21 posted on 07/09/2005 3:49:07 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: MarineDad
re: Had it spread to the bomb rooms in the basement)))

LOL!

22 posted on 07/09/2005 4:21:39 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Given the tendency of things Islamist to self-detonate I think it might just be spontaneous combustion.
23 posted on 07/09/2005 4:30:49 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
"No one was inside the Islamic Center of Bloomington when the fire occured at about 2 a.m. and the damage was confined to the kitchen area, said Nathan Ainsle, president of the Islamic Center. A burned Quran was found outside, he said. " anyone else think this could be something else...
24 posted on 07/09/2005 4:49:02 PM PDT by minus_273
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To: minus_273

"No one was inside the Islamic Center of Bloomington when the fire occured at about 2 a.m. and the damage was confined to the kitchen area, said Nathan Ainsle, president of the Islamic Center. A burned Quran was found outside, he said. " anyone else think this could be something else...

--- Yeah, that struck me as a little strange too. Someone sets a fire in the kitchen and no where else. They then pour a flamable liquid on the OUTSIDE of the building (not on the inside where they supposedly set the fire). They leave a burned koran OUTSIDE the building, not, for example, in the worship areas. There was something thrown through a window, but no report of forced entry.

IMHO, it is either a set up by terrorists and their supporters or very stupid arsonist.

Occam's razor says that it was an inside job.



Anybody know if it was a "real" arabic koran or a "false" English translation? If it isn't in arabic, was a "holy" book really defaced?


25 posted on 07/09/2005 6:36:40 PM PDT by Casekirchen (If allah is just another name for the Judeo-Christian God, why do the islamics pray to a rock?)
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To: Casekirchen

Wow, you guys are disgusting!

Bloomington has a huge Muslim community because of Indiana University, which has amongst the best Central Asian and Arabic language curricula in the world. Many of the people who study here (taught by the people you call terrorists) are training for government jobs (CIA, State Dept., DOD) so they can help in the War on Terror. The implication that Bloomington is a hotbed of radical Islam is absurd. Do you think al Qaeda members would be training future (and current) CIA operatives?

However, there are a buch of redneck idiots (friends of yours?) who live in the area. Some of them protest regularly on the IU campus screaming at Jews, Muslims and sorority girls with short shorts on. The Bloomington Planned Parenthood got firebombed some time ago. Who's to say it's not people like you who did this?

You're obviously filled with hate and racist ignorance. It really is too bad that there are people like you in this great country.


26 posted on 07/17/2005 1:59:22 PM PDT by parenthetical
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To: parenthetical

I stated "IMHO, it is either a set up by terrorists and their supporters or very stupid arsonist. Occam's razor says that it was an inside job."

From that Parenthetical claims that I am one somehow included in his statement of "guys are disgusting!"

--- Sounds like a typical Liberal Dhimmicrat / CAIR response - "I can't refute the truth of your statement so I am going to attack you / claim victim status / declare you guilty by alleged association / declare that all moslems are peaceful"

As I stated in my post, based on the facts there are three potential catagories that the perps could be part of --
a) Terrorist (benefit = to provoke the "Bloomington Islamic Street", similarly to what was done at the other recent koran burning by moslems)
b) Terrorist Symp (benefit = as above & to claim victim status and to prove that Bloomington is racist & disgusting)
c) Non Islamic Arsonist. Two sub catagories here --
c1) Arsonist motivated against Islam (benefit = feels giving payback for 20 years of Islamic attacks on US & the Western Civilization)
c2) "Traditional" Arsonist (benefit = likes to burn things)

Given the facts stated in the article, I believe that the simpler explaination is that the person is from group a) or b). The fire was in the kitchen but no sign of forced entry. A burned koran on the front steps of the building, possibly where it could be seen by a 'passer by' who would call the fire dept before a large anount of damage occured.

If you have other facts, not included in the article, please supply.

Also, if you have logic that refutes my Occam's razor then please provide.



Paran said "Many of the people who study here (taught by the people you call terrorists)"

--- I did not call any student or teacher there a terrorist. Again Dhimicrat Playbook -- Fake a quote or a document.

Or are you saying that the teachers there do have terrorist links, but that I shouldn't call them that?




Paran claims that the student studying under the teachers mentioned above are there "so they can help in the War on Terror."

--- On which side?



Paran also says "The implication that Bloomington is a hotbed of radical Islam is absurd"

--- Your implication not mine. Again, fake a quote.

On the other hand, all of the WTC terrorists and the upper leadership of al-qaeda have been from well to do, college educated families.

Where better to hide out, then among those who look & sound like they do? Especially since it is forbidden to "profile".

Besides, college professors are typically less pro-American than the average citizen as documented by many polls from the MSM.

A hypothetical terrorist may think that a place with Concealment + Sympathizers is a good place to hang out until its 72 Virgins time.




Paranthetical also says "Do you think al Qaeda members would be training future (and current) CIA operatives? "

--- Yes.

The FBI has already been forced to undergo 'sensitivity' training.

Also, if you train the operative, you know who they are.





And baiter Paren says "Who's to say it's not people like you who did this?" (after a long list of alledged things, including protesting girls in shorts).

--- Typical.

I bet that you think that Al Gore really did win the election.

BTW, It depends on how the sorority girls look in their short shorts. There are some that I probably would protest about and others that I would give a "10" to.




Paren also laments "You're obviously filled with hate and racist ignorance. It really is too bad that there are people like you in this great country."

--- Not quite sure how you got from me saying that there were three groups of people who might have done the alledged arson to me being a hater & a racist, but then lgical thought is hard for some. It is typical though, for a Dhimmicrat to say that since 'you don't believe what I beleive, you are a racist / bigot / homophobe'

BTW, sticks & stones. Name calling is additional proof that you have limited thinking ability, class or knowledge.

Please elighten me though since I'm not sure when islamic became a race. Typically race is defined as something that cannot be changed -- skin color, eye folds, lack of melanin. Are you stating that belief in allah is a racial thing, something that cannot be changed due to physical appearance? Or something that cannot be changed due to thought process? I'm not sure what your claim of race status for islam means, please elaborate.

Or is your claim that islamics are a race apart just another way of saying don't ask them questions?


Also Parenthetical, I believe that this is a great country and that asking questions about a news report that does not make sense is part of what makes America great. Our ability and obligation to ask questions is part of what we should do. Since you are, seemingly, saying that I do not have the Constitutional right to say that, based on the facts presented to me, the report makes no sense, I have to ask if you really are an American?


Again, Parren, if you have facts not reported in the article, of have an alternative logic, then please post.








27 posted on 07/18/2005 5:54:40 AM PDT by Casekirchen (If allah is just another name for the Judeo-Christian God, why do the islamics pray to a rock?)
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To: Casekirchen
Case.

My bad (in part). I was trying to respond to the thread as a whole. Not you in particular. Sorry about that.

Several comments in the thread struck me as racist (or, if you prefer, bigoted).

To wit:
"Had it spread to the bomb rooms in the basement, damage would have been significant, indeed."

"This is a sympathy ply by the towel heads." (they meant to say "ploy")

"Islamism is a hate crime"

"If they find some guy who did it is it wrong to take up a defense collection?"

These are the comments I would term disgusting. Part of what makes America such a wonderful place is that we all come from different places, with different backgrounds and customs, yet we're all Americans; part and parcel of the greatest country on Earth. Then I come on here and I see that the Freeper crowd is in favor of attacking mosques. Aren't we supposed to be better than the terrorists?

"Sounds like a typical Liberal Dhimmicrat / CAIR response - "I can't refute the truth of your statement so I am going to attack you / claim victim status / declare you guilty by alleged association / declare that all moslems are peaceful"

This is pretty unfair. The fire didn't spread to the "bomb room" because there wasn't one. The window to the kitchen opens to the outside so a Molotov cocktail could easily have been tossed inside. The incident happened at 4am, not 2, and there was someone there for the early prayer who put out the fire in the kitchen before it spread (he has obviously been interviewed at length by the police). The firebomb came through the window, by the way, hence no forced entry.

You suggest that this may have been done to provoke the "Bloomington Islamic Street," but there isn't one. The Islamic Center caters to about 200 people, students and professors, mostly, a large number of whom are Central Asian rather than Arab (IU has the nation's best central Eurasian languages program). The language program at IU was started by the US Army around WWII to meet the need for Arab and Central Asian language specialists. It still has ties to the government today. As I said, many students come to IU as a prelude to a career in the military, the CIA, the DoD, the State Dept., etc.

I never said all Muslims are peaceful. But I would suggest that you guys on the Freeper board are talking out of your asses when it comes to the Bloomington community. As I'm sure you know, radical Islam tends to grow out of strong and rigid ideology. The Islamic Center caters to Arabs, Iranians, Uzbeks, Pakistanis, etc. It is exactly the kind of broad-based community that does NOT produce terrorists.

You are misusing Occam's Razor, by the way. OR deems that what appears to have happened (an attack on a mosque by persons unknown but who burned a Koran so probably have animus against Islam) is usually what happened rather than some conspiracy theory that goes completely against appearances.

"Paran said "Many of the people who study here (taught by the people you call terrorists)"--- I did not call any student or teacher there a terrorist. Again Dhimicrat Playbook -- Fake a quote or a document."

You didn't say it, but your colleagues did (bomb room?).

"Paran claims that the student studying under the teachers mentioned above are there "so they can help in the War on Terror."--- On which side? "

Unless you believe that people who work for the US Gov't intelligence agencies are traitors, then you know the answer. (Not that they all go on to that kind of work. It's just a rich recruiting environment for the govt.)

"Paran also says "The implication that Bloomington is a hotbed of radical Islam is absurd"--- Your implication not mine. Again, fake a quote."

Again, your colleagues.

"On the other hand, all of the WTC terrorists and the upper leadership of al-qaeda have been from well to do, college educated families. Where better to hide out, then among those who look & sound like they do? Especially since it is forbidden to "profile". "

Therefore college educated Muslims should be suspected of being in al Qaeda? Classic fallacious reasoning (or, if you're not making that point, then a non sequitor).

"And baiter Paren says "Who's to say it's not people like you who did this?" (after a long list of alledged things, including protesting girls in shorts).--- Typical. "

People like you (plural—remember, I started by saying "you guys"), i.e. people who call Muslims "towel heads" and openly celebrate the attempted arson of a house of worship.

"I bet that you think that Al Gore really did win the election."

It was a 50-50 proposition. I'm not who you think I am. I never liked Gore. Or Clinton. I'm a pro-war leftist who may actually agree with you some of the time.

"It is typical though, for a Dhimmicrat to say that since 'you don't believe what I beleive, you are a racist / bigot / homophobe'"

Um, "Towel heads"? I rest my case.

"Name calling is additional proof that you have limited thinking ability, class or knowledge."

That was in response to the following: "You're obviously filled with hate and racist ignorance. It really is too bad that there are people like you in this great country."

Now, there's no name calling at all in those sentences (well, I do call you "people" but that's it). If you're trying to say that I'm making claims about your motives that you may disagree with, that's true. I stand by what I said with this caveat: I was talking more to the people who posted before you than to you. And I am embarrassed when I share the same nationality as a bigot. It runs contrary to what I celebrate about this country (and what gives it a leg up over much of the rest of the world): anyone can be an American. It's not like in Europe where a Turk, for example, can live in Germany, born in Germany, speaks fluent German, has German speaking kids and is nothing but a turk in the eyes of German law. Same guy comes here and in five-ten years he's a naturalized American and no one would claim his kids weren't. Or would they? I'll put that question to you.

"Our ability and obligation to ask questions is part of what we should do. Since you are, seemingly, saying that I do not have the Constitutional right to say that, based on the facts presented to me, the report makes no sense, I have to ask if you really are an American?"

What on Earth are you on about? When did I challenge your Constitutional rights (and on an Internet message board?!). It's my right to disagree with you if I want. In fact, it's our right to argue and discuss, which is what we are doing. The fact that you would say this makes me un-American (typical Republican playbook, by the way) is appalling. Notice I never said the Freepers weren't American, just that I was embarrassed that they were (the bigoted ones, mind you, you're not all bad).

Anyway, I enjoy the dialogue.

P.S. I'm not a Democrat, and do you think I could afford their playbook even if I was? I'm no John Kerry. I got bills to pay and no ketchup fortune to squander.
28 posted on 07/18/2005 10:59:26 PM PDT by parenthetical
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To: parenthetical

Thank you for your apology

Have a nice day

ps -- Thank you for providing add'l information on the layout of the center that was not provided in the report


29 posted on 07/19/2005 4:27:28 AM PDT by Casekirchen (If allah is just another name for the Judeo-Christian God, why do the islamics pray to a rock?)
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