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The Mother of All Connections (New evidence of collaboration between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda)
The Weekly Standard ^ | July 18, 2005 | Stephen F. Hayes & Thomas Joscelyn

Posted on 07/09/2005 10:39:42 PM PDT by RWR8189

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1 posted on 07/09/2005 10:39:42 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; Mo1; PhiKapMom

FYI


2 posted on 07/09/2005 10:47:06 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: AFPhys; prairiebreeze; onyx; Texasforever; CyberAnt; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; mrs tiggywinkle; ...

FYI Ping


3 posted on 07/09/2005 10:48:23 PM PDT by Mo1 (We will stay in the fight until the fight is won ~~~ President G.W. Bush)
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To: RWR8189
Excellent post. I have never doubted Iraq's involvement, but wonder if media will ever report this sort of evidence to the public.
4 posted on 07/09/2005 10:52:07 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Mo1

Oh juicy. on my reading list for tomorrow.


5 posted on 07/09/2005 10:53:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: ladyinred

nope


6 posted on 07/09/2005 10:53:32 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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FOR MANY, the debate over the former Iraqi regime's ties to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network ended a year ago with the release of the 9/11 Commission report.
Some people think the WWE isn't scripted, too.

No question Iraq is part and parcel of the WoT. Glad to see the connections between Iraq and al Qaeda are being nailed down more and more lately.

7 posted on 07/09/2005 10:58:37 PM PDT by jayhorn (when i hit the drum, you shake the booty.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

yeah , but I'll beg you for the Cliff's Notes , this is one for a Sunday where everyone leaves the house,and, tomorrow ain't that Sunday!!


8 posted on 07/09/2005 10:59:20 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: RWR8189
SHHHHHH!!!!

We'll all just keep this our little secret!

We wouldn't want the MSM or libbies or Demo's heads to explode if they have to injest some truth!   Well, you can do that if you want ... but I am not cleaning it up.

9 posted on 07/09/2005 10:59:54 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: ladyinred

If your speaking about the MSM, I wouldn't hold your breath!


10 posted on 07/09/2005 11:01:09 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Bush gal in LA

LOL! I won't. They will never report this!


11 posted on 07/09/2005 11:02:59 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred
I have never doubted Iraq's involvement, but wonder if media will ever report this sort of evidence to the public.


12 posted on 07/09/2005 11:04:24 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: ladyinred
but wonder if media will ever report this sort of evidence to the public.

Yes, they will.

But only after they believe that the rest of the world no longer believes that the world is flat.

Sad, huh?

In the infamous words of one of our most respected and trusted journalistic icons of the day...........

Courage.

LVM

13 posted on 07/09/2005 11:06:01 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: LasVegasMac
"All truth goes through three stages.
First it is ridiculed.
Then it is violently opposed.
Finally, it is accepted as self-evident."


- Schopenhauer

14 posted on 07/09/2005 11:11:59 PM PDT by glock rocks (Git er done!)
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To: RWR8189

BTTT!!


15 posted on 07/09/2005 11:14:13 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: RWR8189

"One senior al Qaeda operative in U.S. custody since 1995, Wali Khan Amin Shah, told FBI interrogators that an al Qaeda leader named Abu Hajer al Iraqi maintained a good relationship with Iraqi Intelligence. Abu Hajer al Iraqi ran al Qaeda's WMD procurement operation until his capture in 1998 and was described by another al Qaeda member as Osama bin Laden's "best friend." According to the Senate Intelligence Committee report, Wali Khan testified that he had knowledge of two "direct meetings" between the leadership of Iraqi Intelligence and Abu Hajer al Iraqi."


This paragraph alone proves both the link between Iraq and Al Qaeda and substantiates that Iraq did indeed have WMD, which they did or were planning to share with Al Qaeda.


16 posted on 07/09/2005 11:20:01 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: RWR8189

Ping for reading tomorrow morning with coffee.


17 posted on 07/09/2005 11:20:53 PM PDT by pghkevin (Have you hugged your kids today? Have you thanked someone in the Military today?)
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To: RWR8189

bump for later read


18 posted on 07/09/2005 11:22:09 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: RWR8189

Long but great read!


19 posted on 07/09/2005 11:23:34 PM PDT by FranklinsTower
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To: FranklinsTower

Beware of the source.


20 posted on 07/09/2005 11:26:31 PM PDT by TAquinas (Benedictus XVI: The Enforcer. The Restorer. The Uniter.)
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To: hobson

Ping for reading tomorrow morning with coffee.


21 posted on 07/09/2005 11:28:31 PM PDT by hobson
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To: ladyinred

Only if we force the issue.

Everytime you see some lamebrained reporter on TV or hear one of them on radio saying there is no connection - send them this article. I have saved it in WORD - ready to send at a moment's notice.

After you do that a few times - they actually do get the msg.


22 posted on 07/09/2005 11:28:47 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: FairOpinion

Which proves that since 1998 - THE DEMOCRATS have known about a connection and ARE LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH that it doesn't exist.

The more I know about these democrats the more angry I become.


23 posted on 07/09/2005 11:36:33 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: FairOpinion

24 posted on 07/09/2005 11:36:43 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: TAquinas

What's your concern about the source ..??


25 posted on 07/09/2005 11:38:23 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Ping.


26 posted on 07/09/2005 11:38:24 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (The Freeper formerly known as Ultra Sonic.)
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To: CyberAnt

Its a leftist source, I hear.


27 posted on 07/09/2005 11:45:38 PM PDT by TAquinas (Benedictus XVI: The Enforcer. The Restorer. The Uniter.)
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To: RWR8189; Alamo-Girl
TEN DAYS BEFORE September 11, 2001, a small group of Islamic radicals came together in the northern, Kurdish-controlled area of Iraq. They would quickly come to be known as Ansar al Islam. Their ranks swelled as hundreds of al Qaeda terrorists fled the U.S. assault on the Taliban in Afghanistan. It quickly became clear to many policymakers and intelligence analysts that the Ansar camps were fallback zones for al Qaeda.

FWIW, one of the head honchos of Ansar al Islam, Mullah Krekar, says Ansar al Islam existed at least by the end of 2000...well before September 2001. See -- "Ansar al-Islam Leader Threatens to Reveal "Evidence" that Convicts USA," Kurdistan Observer, Feb 3, 2003.

See also this item from freeper Alamo-Girl's "Downside Legacy" - this may very well be Zarqawi's ANSAR AL ISLAM:

JANUARY 22, 2000 : (THE INDIAN PAPER, THE HINDU REPORTS RADICAL SUNNI TERRORIST GROUP HAS BEEN RISING IN LEBANON NEAR THE SYRIAN BORDER; IT HAS BACKING FROM OSAMA BIN LADEN & HAS AFGHANIS AT ITS CORE) The Hindu 1/22/2000 Kesava Menon "…..If Islamic militancy in Algeria seems to be entering its terminal stage, the militancy in Lebanon appears to be entering into a new and dangerous phase….However, recently there has risen the new phenomenon of a radical Sunni group which has decided to take on the Lebanese army. Earlier this month, this group which has been training near the Syrian border ambushed a unit of the Lebanese army and 11 soldiers and 30 militants were killed in the fighting. Not many details are known about this new Sunni group but Lebanese newspapers report that it is believed to be part of a loose network of militant groups which have ``Afghanis'' at their core and draw at least a part of their funding from the al Qaeda of Saudi dissident, Osama bin Laden…. Developments in Sudan are at a shaky stage…. It is early days yet but if the Sudanese Government decides to go against the Islamists, if for no other reason than to please the U.S., it would mean that yet another Arab country has turned against the Islamists……The current head of the Islamic radical group which assassinated Anwar Sadat, former Egyptian President, is believed to be yet another militant who has taken refuge in Afghanistan. These are the underlying causes which have restrained these Arab countries from recognising the Taliban. Unofficially, all these Governments also state that they have been taking up the matter with Pakistan but it is probably the necessity of retaining the semblance of Islamic solidarity which prevents them from talking about it more openly…." --- by Kesava Menon, The Hindu, 1/22/2000 via ALAMO-GIRL'S DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON ; SECTION: BREACH OF TRUST; SUBSECTION: TERROR; Revised 1/8/01

28 posted on 07/09/2005 11:49:16 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: RWR8189
We have been told by Ayad Allawi, former Iraqi prime minister and a longtime CIA source, that other Iraqi Intelligence documents indicate bin Laden's top deputy was in Iraq for a jihadist conference in September 1999.

"Assuming a Gore Presidency, our next guest speaker will offer tips on how to conduct an environmentally friendly Jihad..."

29 posted on 07/09/2005 11:50:32 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: FairOpinion; RWR8189; CyberAnt
Re: Osama bin Laden's "best friend?"

I did not know (or confused) that Mahmdouh Mahmud Salim = Abu Hajer al Iraqi

He is the guy who infamously beat and blinded a prison guard.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/296fmttq.asp

FR posted this back in 1993:

"A CIA report from a contact with good access, some of whose reporting has been corroborated, said that certain elements in the "Islamic Army" of bin Laden were against the secular regime of Saddam. Overriding the internal factional strife that was developing, bin Laden came to an "understanding" with Saddam that the Islamic Army would no longer support anti-Saddam activities. According to sensitive reporting released in U.S. court documents during the African Embassy trial, in 1993 bin Laden reached an "understanding" with Saddam under which he (bin Laden) forbade al Qaeda operations to be mounted against the Iraqi leader. Another facilitator of the relationship during the mid-1990s was Mahmdouh Mahmud Salim (a.k.a. Abu Hajer al-Iraqi). Abu Hajer, now in a New York prison, was described in court proceedings related to the August 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania as bin Laden's "best friend." According to CIA reporting dating back to the Clinton administration, bin Laden trusted him to serve as a liaison with Saddam's regime and tasked him with procurement of weapons of mass destruction for al Qaeda. FBI reporting in the memo reveals that Abu Hajer "visited Iraq in early 1995" and "had a good relationship with Iraqi intelligence. Sometime before mid-1995 he went on an al Qaeda mission to discuss unspecified cooperation with the Iraqi government."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115387/posts
30 posted on 07/09/2005 11:52:52 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: TAquinas

I guess that makes Dick Cheney a leftist since he's been known to use the source.


31 posted on 07/09/2005 11:53:08 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: endthematrix

"FR posted this back in 1993:"

Who is FR?

Also, the date I think it's wrong since the text speaks of events in 1998.


32 posted on 07/09/2005 11:59:38 PM PDT by TAquinas (Benedictus XVI: The Enforcer. The Restorer. The Uniter.)
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To: piasa

Amazing!


33 posted on 07/10/2005 12:01:31 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: RWR8189
1999 : (IRAQI INTELLIGENCE OFFICER SA'ADOON MOHAMMED ABDUL LATIF aka ABU WA'IL IS IN AFGHANISTAN) Sa'adoon Mohammed Abdul Latif, or Abu-Wa'il, an Iraqi intelligence officer, first visited Afghanistan in 1999. - "U.S. negotiates trade of terror suspects," By Eli J. Lake, UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL via The Washington Times, May 9, 2003, http://washingtontimes.com/world/20030509-22822443.htm
34 posted on 07/10/2005 12:01:35 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: TAquinas
FR (Free Republic) is you.

My mistake. The article was posted at FreeRepublic.com for all to see on 04/10/2004 but the article was dated 6/28/1993 by author Laurie Mylroie, who has connected the dots between Iraq and US terror.
35 posted on 07/10/2005 12:05:24 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: RWR8189
1982 - 1990 : (IRAQI INTELLIGENCE OFFICER AL MAMOURI IS EMPLOYED TO FORGE LINKS BETWEEN IRAQ & FUNDAMENTALIST GROUPS IN PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN, THE GULF & SUDAN) Italian officials say that Mr al-Mamouri held the rank of general in the Iraqi secret service, and from 1982 to 1990 worked in the Special Operations Branch forging Baghdad’s links with Islamic fundamentalist groups in Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Gulf and Sudan. - "Hijacker 'given anthrax flask by Iraqi agent'," by DANIEL MCGRORY, The London Times, SATURDAY OCTOBER 27 2001

1998 : (IRAQI INTELLIGENCE OFFICER AL MAMOURI IS TRANSFERRED TO HIS TEACHING POST IN ITALY) He was transferred to his “teaching duties” in 1998, although all the Iraqi Embassy will say of his sudden departure [around July 2001] is that “he had money problems”. - "Hijacker 'given anthrax flask by Iraqi agent'," by DANIEL MCGRORY, The London Times, SATURDAY OCTOBER 27 2001

JULY 2001 : (ITALY : IRAQI INTELLIGENCE AGENT AL-MAMOURI DISAPPEARS FROM HIS JOB, SHORTLY AFTER HE MET 9/11 HIJACKER MOHAMMAD ATTA; BOTH HAD BEEN SEEN TOGETHER IN HAMBURG GERMANY & PRAGUE, CZECHOSLAVAKIA BEFORE) One of Saddam’s intelligence agents, Habib Faris Abdullah al-Mamouri, was sent to be the new headmaster of a school for Iraqi diplomats in Italy. The bogus headmaster has not been seen in Rome since July, shortly after he also met Atta. The pair are also said to have been together in Hamburg and Prague.
There is no proof the men were in direct contact, but as one intelligence source in Madrid said [later in the year] : “They chose a strange time and place to take a holiday.” The Rome daily Il Messaggero, quoting Western intelligence sources, said of Mr al-Mamouri that “he spent more time pursuing contacts helpful to the Iraqi regime among fundamentalist Islamic groups than he had on his supposed teaching duties”.
Italian officials say that Mr al-Mamouri held the rank of general in the Iraqi secret service, and from 1982 to 1990 worked in the Special Operations Branch forging Baghdad’s links with Islamic fundamentalist groups in Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Gulf and Sudan. He was transferred to his “teaching duties” in 1998, although all the Iraqi Embassy will say of his sudden departure is that “he had money problems”. - "Hijacker 'given anthrax flask by Iraqi agent'," by DANIEL MCGRORY, The London Times, SATURDAY OCTOBER 27 2001

36 posted on 07/10/2005 12:06:59 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: TAquinas

FR is FreeRepublic.


37 posted on 07/10/2005 12:08:23 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Former Dodger; Fred Nerks; USF; Dark Skies; jan in Colorado; ariamne

ping!

Connections between Saddam's Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Long article, but worth reading.

A.A.C.


38 posted on 07/10/2005 12:15:23 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: All

And new evidence that the US Congress and Bill Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act, in 1998, calling for regime change in Iraq.

FLASHBACK: Clinton Signs Iraq Liberation Act, on Oct. 31, 1998, calling for regime change in Iraq

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1440028/posts


39 posted on 07/10/2005 12:16:15 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: piasa

Is 'suicide bombing' acceptable as part of Jihad?

http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=2ndign


I came upon that after defining "Istishhadiyyah" from a Saddam TV broadcast on March 4, 2002:

"We are glad of the Istishhadiyyah [suicide] and heroic spirit of the Palestinian people. By Allah, what the Palestinian people does is beyond my expectations.”


40 posted on 07/10/2005 12:25:15 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: RWR8189

Reminder bump! Mite Nite! ;-)


41 posted on 07/10/2005 1:03:10 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (In honor of our bravest in armed service to our nation.)
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To: RWR8189
Hayes does it again. GW needs to read this on national tv. The administration just ain't making their case to the uninformed public. We know, but too many still listen to pete, tom and dan for their news.

Print it up and stuff it in the pocket of every moron who says that osama hated saddam and there was no connection to 911.

42 posted on 07/10/2005 1:09:15 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Are you gonna do the Cliff Notes on this one?


43 posted on 07/10/2005 1:12:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: RWR8189
Saddam ran a terrorist regime that home to a devil's brew of terrorist groups ranging from socialist to Islamist. They were a tool of Iraqi policy against the democratic West and Iraq's neighbors. Then too, Al Qaeda had a haven in Iraq under Saddam's supervision. It emerged in full virulence at the end of the war because the downfall of Saddam's regime eliminated the totalitarian constraints that kept it in check. This is not to say the Ba'ath regime was a civilized government before we came in that wanted peace with the rest of the world. All the evidence to date has demonstrated that was definitely not the case.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
44 posted on 07/10/2005 1:15:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ladyinred; RWR8189
but wonder if media will ever report this sort of evidence to the public

LOL. Yes, right on the cover of TIME magazine and a full 50 minutes on '60 Too Many Minutes'!

;-)

****

The old Dem./liberal/socialist media is America's most ruthless, relentless, and destructive enemy.

45 posted on 07/10/2005 1:30:30 AM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))
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To: ladyinred; RWR8189
BTW, I didn't want to leave the impression that the old Dem./liberal/socialist media is somehow discconnected from other powerful and destructive forces. It's all one big socialist web out to bring down America. America, as it was decades ago, does not fit into their plans.

The singular FACT that this type of story which is exposed on this thread will never be heard by 95% to 99% of American citizens and voters illustrates perfectly how successful the other side is.

The way the media (for the most part) is still constructed in this country, the way "information" is still disseminated will never allow the people to know enough. There will not be the "revolutions", the proper protests that are needed. The 'dumbing down' is a nearly complete success.

46 posted on 07/10/2005 1:41:11 AM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))
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To: goldstategop

None of that stuff matters to the Bush haters. The only thing that they care about seeing is a picture of Osama and Saddam posing with atom bombs. Anything less is not enough.


47 posted on 07/10/2005 2:20:36 AM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: RWR8189

"Absolutely. I know that there is no relation with that guy. . . . We have no relations with these kind of guys, with all persons who are involved in terrorism."

Heh-heh. Said while shaking his finger no doubt.


48 posted on 07/10/2005 2:53:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: All

Long but very informational. Put a bookmark on this and bump it back up top for others to enjoy.


49 posted on 07/10/2005 4:16:07 AM PDT by harpu
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Thanks for the ping AAC. Much detail and extremely interesting; I like this little snippet -

'Iraq's use of terrorism was so widespread, in fact, that it became an issue in the 1992 presidential campaign, when Al Gore accused the first Bush administration of a "blatant disregard for brutal terrorism" practiced by Hussein and ignoring Iraq's "extensive terrorism activities."'



50 posted on 07/10/2005 4:32:31 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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